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User:Ed Poor

Ed Poor (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for disruption. The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2#Ed_Poor_placed_on_Probation.

Ed Poor has taken to disrupting Global Warming-related articles again, the locus of his previous disruption that prompted the arbcom ruling.

The following diffs show the offending behavior

• Global warming controversy,

Ed here replaces a passage and link properly detailing the wide scientific consensus on climate change with a passage that gives undue weight to the minority and fringe view. This corresponds to:Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2/Proposed_decision#Ed_Poor_has_engaged_in_tendentious_editing

• List of scientists who dispute the anthropogenic global warming theory,

Ed unilaterally moved List of scientists who dispute the anthropogenic global warming theory, a hotly debated topic, to List of scientists opposing the global warming consensus without prior notification or discussion. This resulted in mass disruption at the article: Talk:List_of_scientists_opposing_the_global_warming_consensus#Too_bold.2C_too_soon Ed's move was described as a new "new low" by User:Stephan Schulz : Unilateral page moves corresponds to :Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2/Proposed_decision#Disruptive_behavior

Taken with his recent disruption of intelligent design-related articles, his return to disrupting the topic that prompted his probation, and unwillingness to move on and edit another less controversial areas of Misplaced Pages, I doubt anything short of a block will get his attention.

Reported by: FeloniousMonk 00:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

There certainly does seem to be an attention deficit regarding the outcome and related admonishments of his RFA; I'm not sure that a simple block will be effective in correcting the disorder. •Jim62sch• 00:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The user's response at User talk:Ed Poor#Move of List of scientists opposing global warming consensus states a willingness to respect consensus. Hopefully this is a sincere statement of his intentions and the incidents discussed above do not presage a return to the behavior that resulted in sanctions in the past, as a pattern of such behavior could lead to severe enforcement action in light of the user's overall record. No action taken for now, but I will draw the user's attention to this complaint. In the event of further problems, return to this noticeboard and mention this complaint and the warning. Newyorkbrad 00:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that his outward appearance of reasonableness isn't carefully calculated, particularly given his history. He's continuing to make some dubious contributions: FeloniousMonk 01:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I already deleted that, the moment someone pointed out to me that it wasn't regarded as helpful. You know, it would be nicer if you'd simply tell me what's wrong with an edit, instead of immediately pushing for "enforcement". If you want a certain type of thing discussed first, you need only tell me. --Uncle Ed 01:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me add that I'm satisfied with Ed's later handling of the page move, though I still find the original move rather imprudent.--Stephan Schulz 23:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ed, you and I both know that once you're on probation it's the case that you've already had plenty of warnings leading up that and that no further warnings are necessary. The fact that you are continuing to disrupt Global_warming_controversy and Talk:Global_warming_controversy#Temperature in the intro after yesterday's warning is sufficient grounds for immediate blocking. I do wish you'd move along and leave alone the articles where you earned your probation and find a quiet little uncontroversial corner of Misplaced Pages to contribute to quietly. Doing so would be a fine demonstration of your good faith and go a long way to reestablishing the community's trust. FeloniousMonk 23:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Further to this is his gratuitous and disruptive insertion of redlinks and an ill-considered tagging episode in Global warming controversy. Taken individually any of these incidents wouldn't be so noteworthy. But now (in just a day or two) we see multiple instances of doing things arbitrarily and then offering a "Who me? Oh, sorry about that" defense when called to account. Raymond Arritt 23:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the page move, in my opinion Ed's apologies are rather meaningless since he knew full well there were significant objections to moving the page. He participated in a discussion about such a move which began 30 July 2006 (see discussion) as well as another discussion on whether there exists a consensus, in response to Ed's POV edits, on 3 August 2006 (see discussion). In addition to the page move, he has also continued to put his POV in the article itself (diff).

That said, I'm not really offended by the "Temperature in the intro" discussion referenced above. Adding redlinks is a bit annoying but I wouldn't call it disruptive (unless this was a big issue in the past?).

A minor note: FeloniousMonk seems to have stated it backwards above but his point is correct. Ed moved the page from its longstanding title, List of scientists opposing global warming consensus, to List of scientists who dispute the anthropogenic global warming theory (diff) and then attempted to move it back, but couldn't and instead moved it to List of scientists opposing the global warming consensus. See discussion. I apologize if some of these discussion links are broken, but as I write this the talk pages are still messed up from Ed's moves. --Nethgirb 02:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I want to make my apology more meaningful: If FeloniousMonk, Raymond Arritt or Nethgirb wishes, I will refrain from editing any article they name for any period they choose (up to six weeks). Fair enough? --Uncle Ed 11:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your offer. I do not really want to have that power, and would prefer to leave it up to the ArbCom or administrators. As a personal suggestion I think you would do fine if you just discuss changes on the talk page first, and think critically about your edits and make sure that statements (or implications) that you add are backed up by reliable sources which you cite. --Nethgirb 12:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Between apologies Ed has been busy translating Jonathan Wells (intelligent design advocate) into Weaselish. "Wells rejects evolution" suddenly became "Wells questions the teaching of evolution in a way that implies outright rejection" in Ed's idea of neutral editing for example, among other interesting ditties: Is this Ed's idea of a 'meaningful apology'? 151.151.73.171 22:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

User:192.94.73.2 User:70.113.122.114

User:Hkelkar socks. Location + Edit = Obvious. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Richardmalter

Richardmalter (talk · contribs) - Background. BDORT is an invention by living person Yoshiaki Omura. Richardmalter holds himself out as an authorized representative of Mr. Omura on Misplaced Pages. ArbCom. Per ArbCom ban for disruption, Richardmalter and all other accounts and anonymous IPs with the same disruptive editing pattern are indefinitely banned from editing Yoshiaki Omura or its talk page. While the ArbCom process was going forward, Yoshiaki Omura and the BDORT technique was consolidated in the Yoshiaki Omura article. See this link. BDORT has since been moved to an article separate from Yoshiaki Omura. ArbCom provided an enforcement by block: "Richardmalter and the other accounts and anonymous IPs with the same disruptive editing pattern may be blocked for up to a year if they edit Yoshiaki Omura or its talk page." Violations. - (i) Six days after the ArbCom ruling, Richardmalter made a first post about BDORT on the BLPN page as well as made a second post about BDORT on the BLPN page. (ii) The second post resulted in the same kind of talk banter by Richardmalter that could have appeared on the Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT talk page but for Richardmalter's ban from those pages. Both BLPN posts potentially were disruptive and the second BLPN post by Richardmalter appeared to in fact be disruptive, particularly to User:Crum375 - an editor taking on the task of fixing the Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT articles per the ArbCom decision. Crum375 was involved in the ArbCom dispute, but no action was taken against Crum375 by ArbCom. (My involvement is through my work on the BLPN page and I have no participation in the matter other than this report.) Analysis and request. By posting about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT on a talk page, by engaging in talk banter that would appear on the Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT talk page but for Richardmalter being banned from that page, and/or by continued apparent disruptive behavior regarding articles and topics specifically addressed in the ArbCom decision, I ask you to consider that Richardmalter has directly and/or indirectly violated the ArbCom ban for disruption and take the appropriate action. -- reported by Jreferee 19:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC) (Richardmalter has received notice of this request on his talk page. -- Jreferee 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

I'll leave a note about this for Richard. SlimVirgin 21:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Further violation evidence. I reviewed SlimVirgin's note, followed it to SlimVirgin's talk page, and discovered more evidence to support my request. (iii) In addition to turning the BLP talk page essentially into a talk page for Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT, Richardmalter turned SlimVirgin's user talk page into a talk page for Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT four days after the ArbCom ruling. Analysis and request. In addition to his aggressive use of Misplaced Pages forums to mobilize support for Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT point of view editing, it is Richardmalter replying to posts by others about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT - exchange his thoughts on the topic with others on Misplaced Pages - that particularly violates the ArbCom decision. What further compounds the ArbCom decision violations is that his Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT post continue to be disruptive and made with little regard for what ArbCom sought to accomplish. Despite the February 2 ArbCom decision, my February 9th post here, and SlimVirgin's February 9th note on Richardmalter's talk page, Richardmalter continues to use his Misplaced Pages account as a single purpose account to influence both the content in and the user contributors to the Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT articles, from which Richardmalter has been banned indefinitely by ArbCom. Please review my request above along with this new evidence and take the appropriate action. -- by original requestor. Jreferee 16:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Please accept the possibility that there is another interpretation possible. As SlimVirgin informed me, the ArbCom ruled/s on 'behaviour' not content. The version that was edit warred pro for by user Crum375 et al did in established fact contain clear blatant violations of WP:BLP that I argued against and subsequently were deleted as such BLP violations by SlimVirgin at my insistance. This is all verifiable (by looking at the record and SlimVirgin's Admin intervention and comments). There are still serious WP:BLP issues with the current entry. I wont take up space here repeating what I have detailed on other BLP pages. I am requesting other editors/Admin deal with this BLP issue. Crum375 follows me around and creates a discussion wherever I post a request for help/intervention - this is not my doing. It's as simple as that. I have not attempted to edit the page - I am keeping to the ArbCom decision; even though I strongly disagree with it. Thanks.Richardmalter 04:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Jreferee, also, how you describe my calm requesting of help and setting out of details - process and content, to support the need for it, according to WP:BLP, as 'aggressive' and 'disruptive' I do not know! Richardmalter 11:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Richard may not edit the article Yoshiaki Omura, or articles about or related to him or his procedure. He is not prevented from raising concerns about the article on other fora, such as the BLP noticeboard or an admin's talk page. Whether or not other editors respond to his concerns is a matter for their own discretion and judgement. Thatcher131 14:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing most of my concerns. However, Richard not only was banned from editing the article, he was banned from the article talk page. Yes, he may raise concerns about the article on other fora and others in good standing with the article/topic may reply to those concerns. However, can Richard, who is not in good standing with the article/topic, then respond in kind? In other words, although Richard was banned from the article talk page, can Richard engage in the same kind of response talk banter that could have appeared on the Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT talk page but for Richardmalter's ban from those pages? For example, post ArbCom, Richard responds a first time to Crum375 (who is editing the BDORT article) on SlimVirgin's talk page about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT , Richard continues the talk and responds a second time to Crum375 on SlimVirgin's talk page about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT . Richard then incorporates Talk:Yoshiaki_Omura talk page information into the SlimVirgin's talk page discussion by providing Diffs 6 and 7. . Also post ArbCom, on the BLPN page, Richard responds to Crum375 about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT and responds to GenghizRat's post with statements about Yoshiaki Omura/BDORT content here . I think it's important to note that Crum375, GenghizRat, and Philosophus were Involved parties in the ArbCom case with Richardmalter and a request for Arbitration is the last step of dispute resolution. -- by original requestor Jreferee 18:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You raise a complicated issue. First, regarding SlimVirgin's talk page, it's her page and she is quite capable of deciding if Richard is abusing it. If she is interested in discussing the article with him, that is her choice, and Crum and the other's don't even have to involve themselves if they would rather not. Regarding the BLP noticeboard or other areas where Richard might raise concerns, I would think a case by case evaluation would be needed. Arbcom did not ban him from ever mentioning Dr. Omura or BDORT, so some level of engagement is potentially tolerable. Suppose Richard raises an issue at the BLP noticeboard and it is discussed and either acted on or not, and Richard drops it. No problem. Suppose on the other hand he becomes disruptive over it, or posts the same complaint over and over again no matter how many times it has been considered and dismissed. That certainly would be grounds to extend his topical ban to cover other areas of wikipedia. Admin judgement and discretion is usually required when enforcing arbitration rulings. Thatcher131 05:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Rumpelstiltskin223

Hkelkar (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction of some sort. The final decision in their case is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar/Proposed_decision.

I have demonstrated that Rumplestiltskin223 is in fact the banned Hkelkar.

The following diffs show the offending behavior

• Persecution of Hindus, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=66609642&oldid=63303512

Edit made by Hkelkar under a sockpuppet.

• Persecution of Hindus, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Persecution_of_Hindus&diff=105319772&oldid=105142042

"corrections"

• Checkuser report on Hkelkar,http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hkelkar

Summation

Many have suspected this, though today it was found Rumplestiltskin was using an anonymous IP to provide citations to content Hkelkar added some time ago. Understand that many users have been alleging the two were the same person before this. Because the sources were books published in the 50s and 60s, no longer in print, and Rumplestiltskin knew the exact locations of the related content, I argue it's impossible that Rumplestiltskin ,now given other mentioned similarities that,is anyone other than Hkelkar.

Reported by:

Allegations were brought forth? You mean the *7.xx IP range in england? Home to nocled user Mustafa Bhai (talk · contribs) and probably TerryJ-Ho (talk · contribs).Bakaman 03:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

please refer to this ANI report by Aksi great, detailing some of the evidences linking User:Rumpelstiltskin223 to User:Hkelkar. ITAQALLAH 02:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry what's the sound I hear? Oh thats just the checkuser proving minaretdk is indeed bhaisaab.Bakaman 05:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That cow dung soup you drink has you hearing things. That's nothing but the wind.Monsat 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Cow dung soup? Wtf are you talking about.Bakaman 04:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we get monsat blocked for that comment?--D-Boy 02:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Has been. Thatcher131 15:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)