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| :::::::::Misplaced Pages uses the terms dialect and language in a strictly genealogical and relational manner. Tosk, Gheg, Arbëresh and every other Albanian variety is called a dialect. The argument which you're proposing is a sociolinguistic one which by itself is correct as there is no linguistic hierarchy between varieties of any language. All dialects are "Albanian languages". But wikipedia doesn't discuss sociolinguistic aspects or Weinreich's absolutely correct proposition that a standard language = dialect chosen as the linguistic vehicle for the purpose of state building.--] (]) 23:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC) | :::::::::Misplaced Pages uses the terms dialect and language in a strictly genealogical and relational manner. Tosk, Gheg, Arbëresh and every other Albanian variety is called a dialect. The argument which you're proposing is a sociolinguistic one which by itself is correct as there is no linguistic hierarchy between varieties of any language. All dialects are "Albanian languages". But wikipedia doesn't discuss sociolinguistic aspects or Weinreich's absolutely correct proposition that a standard language = dialect chosen as the linguistic vehicle for the purpose of state building.--] (]) 23:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC) | ||
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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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- The article is literally called 'Arberesh language'. I will change it over again and again. If you want to write about some dialect, go ahead and create an 'Arberesh dialect' article. -- Ftillimi (talk) 22:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Another editor changed it back to variety with a link to Albanian dialects. Read WP:BRD, and learn the difference between a dialect/language variety and a language on its own. The name of the article needs to be corrected, thanks for pointing that out. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Go ahead with your defiance. Arberesh and Albanian are not mutually intelligible to a degree that it can be considered a dialect. Arberesh has its seperate language identifier that is used by Ethnologue, Glottolog, Multitree AND Misplaced Pages -- but I'm afraid this will not get into your head in 100 years. -- Ftillimi (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- The important thing for me is that your non-sense in the article was undone by another editor. The rest is a waste of time. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Arbërisht/Arbëresh can't be referred to as "a dialect of Albanian", because it is a subdialect of the Tosk dialect of Albanian, hence the correct description is "a variety of Albanian", as indicated by many sources (google books). It is not a language of its own, the name of the article should be changed to Arbëresh (many sources use "Arbëresh Albanian", but for Albanian speakers this would result redundant). – Βατο (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good point, Bato. It is commonly referred to as a dialect, but it actually is part of the Tosk dialect. In any case, it is not a language on its own - frankly, I never expected to see such frivolous claims. Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Frivolous claims" says the guy who has apparently never engaged in a conversation in everyday Modern Arberesh. Get a load of this and call it a day my friend. You are not doing the Arberesh a service by downgrading their language to a dialect. -- Ftillimi (talk) 11:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages uses the terms dialect and language in a strictly genealogical and relational manner. Tosk, Gheg, Arbëresh and every other Albanian variety is called a dialect. The argument which you're proposing is a sociolinguistic one which by itself is correct as there is no linguistic hierarchy between varieties of any language. All dialects are "Albanian languages". But wikipedia doesn't discuss sociolinguistic aspects or Weinreich's absolutely correct proposition that a standard language = dialect chosen as the linguistic vehicle for the purpose of state building.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Ftillimi on Misplaced Pages, please do not make projections or insults to users per WP:CIVIL. Being non productive can affect your account, I hope you understood, Best Regards! Surix321 (talk) 17:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Frivolous claims" says the guy who has apparently never engaged in a conversation in everyday Modern Arberesh. Get a load of this and call it a day my friend. You are not doing the Arberesh a service by downgrading their language to a dialect. -- Ftillimi (talk) 11:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good point, Bato. It is commonly referred to as a dialect, but it actually is part of the Tosk dialect. In any case, it is not a language on its own - frankly, I never expected to see such frivolous claims. Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Arbërisht/Arbëresh can't be referred to as "a dialect of Albanian", because it is a subdialect of the Tosk dialect of Albanian, hence the correct description is "a variety of Albanian", as indicated by many sources (google books). It is not a language of its own, the name of the article should be changed to Arbëresh (many sources use "Arbëresh Albanian", but for Albanian speakers this would result redundant). – Βατο (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The important thing for me is that your non-sense in the article was undone by another editor. The rest is a waste of time. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Go ahead with your defiance. Arberesh and Albanian are not mutually intelligible to a degree that it can be considered a dialect. Arberesh has its seperate language identifier that is used by Ethnologue, Glottolog, Multitree AND Misplaced Pages -- but I'm afraid this will not get into your head in 100 years. -- Ftillimi (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Another editor changed it back to variety with a link to Albanian dialects. Read WP:BRD, and learn the difference between a dialect/language variety and a language on its own. The name of the article needs to be corrected, thanks for pointing that out. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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