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| ::I put Daily Express only for temporary, at least it's a newspaper not a pop culture or a humour magazine. Once I found the better one, I will replace it immediately. Let's see if a newspaper like Times or Herald come with 500m Sales of The Beatles and there is no progress in their certified Sales. We should not used their 600m in the list. ] (]) 14:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | ::I put Daily Express only for temporary, at least it's a newspaper not a pop culture or a humour magazine. Once I found the better one, I will replace it immediately. Let's see if a newspaper like Times or Herald come with 500m Sales of The Beatles and there is no progress in their certified Sales. We should not used their 600m in the list. ] (]) 14:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
| :I agree. Surely if you think the Beatles are inflated, which I do as well by about 50 million, you must think Elvis is inflated as well, ] (]) 03:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | :I agree. Surely if you think the Beatles are inflated, which I do as well by about 50 million, you must think Elvis is inflated as well, ] (]) 03:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
| == Iron Maiden sales are up to 100 million!!! == | |||
| So about Iron Maiden? They sold 100 million plus!!! With total sales up to 200 millions!!! Number of the Beast alone sold 20 millions!!! ] (]) 23:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
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It is essential to provide reliable sources when editing this article. For examples, see the references section. Unsourced or unreliably sourced additions will be removed immediately. The list is frequently edited in good faith to update the certified sales figures; however, claimed sales figures need to be supported by reliable sources, preferably from news organizations. Artists with claimed sales figures below 75 million may not be added to the list. Whilst we encourage editors to be bold, it is highly recommended to discuss changes on this talk page before editing. Below you can get an understanding as to when certifications for songs are added to the total certified sales of the listed artists.
The year next to markets below indicates how far back the certification systems go in each country. The percentages stand for the global market share based on a 2007 IFPI report.
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Celine Dion Record Sales
Please Celine's figures are up to 250 million confirmed by multiple reliable sources, she also sold 50 million albums only in Europe, so how is she at only 200 million? Moonlight Entm (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Did you read the Definitions on the main page where it says 1)This list uses claimed figures that are closest to artists' available certified units: inflated claimed figures that meet the required certified units amount but are unrealistically high, are not used. 2)The claimed figures are upgraded only when there is a significant progress in artists' certified units. In other words, the available certified units for each artist should get relatively closer to already listed claimed figure in order for higher figures to replace the listed ones.--Harout72 (talk) 22:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
First off the certified units are not even updated, you can see any celine dion record sales analysis and the figure is up to even more than 250m, that was the first published and most reliable source of Celine Dion sales, it was reported by their label, inflated sales are really the one that losts of artists have here like Rihanna, when its clear that Celine Dion is the second best-selling female artist of all time after Madonna, it's a fact, there's no sense in putting Mariah or Whitney above her cause its well known that she's best seller out of the 3. Moonlight Entm (talk) 00:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- The certified sales for Celine Dion are actually up to date. Just because reliable sources or record labels claim such inflated figures as the 250 million is, it doesn't Celine Dion's her records (albums, singles, videos) have sold that much combined. I have her detailed certified sales which you can go over here. And based on her available certified sales, the 200 million figure at the moment is the highest number we can work with.--Harout72 (talk) 00:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- The certified sales for Celine Dion are not up to date. She is eligible for 100m (26m songs+72M albums+around 2M DVDs) units in the US alone. Her certified sales are currently at 61.5m units in the US. If her catalog was certified properly, her total certified sales would be around 175M units. But as long as this list is based on the available certification, Celine’s 250m figure would be still inflated. TheWikiholic (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
You're so hypocritical to your statement, then why you removed Ariana's 90 million claim who has certified more than 130 million and 90 comes closer to that claim. Moonlight Entm (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- First I suggest you to remain civil, second your source The Gamer isn't a reliable source for us to replace a more reliable one with that. As for the new artists like Ariana Grande, you should refer to the Definitions where it clearly states The certified units of the newer artists may sometimes be higher than their listed claimed figures. This is because Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and almost all other certifying bodies count streaming towards Gold and Platinum thresholds required for Digital Single Award certification. However replacing current 85 million with 90 million would be ok if there is a reliable source, since the difference is only 5 million.--Harout72 (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Literally a whole other editors have been calling me that dumb and bitch, and i've never seen an editor telling them to remain civil. The gamer is a reliable source, its a game news operated by korea naver, Ariana got her own fornite concert so it was mostly to a press release, so it can be consider 95% reliable. Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Also Ariana Grande "85 million" claim came from her usa certified sales, she has sold 85.5 million copies in the united states and there you go here calling it "worlwide" everywhere in wikipedia, 85 million was made up by an user and since then a lot sources started putting in articles cause they got from here, so unless a label report then we can put it here or in her wikipedia. Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- "85 million was made up by an user" and that user is ME. Do you have any problem with that?. You shoud be grateful I make Ariana Grande join the list. She will never be on the list, if not because of me. Politsi (talk) 14:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Gamer may be a reliable source for games, it's certainly not for records sales. As for her US sales, her US certified sales are 87 million, which is streaming generated, meaning she may or may not have sold 50 million records (albums, singles) in the US. Harout72 (talk) 12:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Bee Gees career sales
Hey Harout. I saw some figures for their career sales at 200 million by reliable sources. How many certified sales do they need for their claimed sales to increase? Thank you. Loibird90 (talk) 09:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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The picture of Bruce should be put above the U2 one, as the chart says RealSonny (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)_U2"> _U2">
Why isn't the list based on certified sales, instead of claimed sales?
Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 07:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Lady Gaga
Gaga's 124m figure is outdated. Here is a source for 170m which her certs easily support:
https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions/19231/ SpearsRR (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I really doubt Rihanna's sales
It can't be true. Faked. 46.251.91.133 (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Green Day
Harout. Any update from Green Day?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, they're still at 51.7 million with their certified sales, they need 54.6 million to get back on the list.--Harout72 (talk) 12:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Beatles's 600m (inflated)
Harout. I begin to think that their 600m claim sales look too much and inflated. I will remove their 600m claim and let them just have only 500m claim for their sales. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I still want to wait and see what RIAA's certifications for their singles in digital format will bring in. The RIAA hasn't issued any certs for their singles in digital format, and they would not necessarily be entirely streaming generated, they'd be retroactively issued certs. Besides, the 600 million figure is the one that's supported by reliable sources at the moment, the 500 million is supported by Daily Express, which is a tabloid. Are there reliable sources for the 500 million also?--Harout72 (talk) 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I put Daily Express only for temporary, at least it's a newspaper not a pop culture or a humour magazine. Once I found the better one, I will replace it immediately. Let's see if a newspaper like Times or Herald come with 500m Sales of The Beatles and there is no progress in their certified Sales. We should not used their 600m in the list. Politsi (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. Surely if you think the Beatles are inflated, which I do as well by about 50 million, you must think Elvis is inflated as well, TruthGuardians (talk) 03:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Iron Maiden sales are up to 100 million!!!
So about Iron Maiden? They sold 100 million plus!!! With total sales up to 200 millions!!! Number of the Beast alone sold 20 millions!!! 94.62.4.8 (talk) 23:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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