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Safavid dynasty

You are correct; the source does not mention Safi Al-Din. It is better to provide an explanation in an edit summary for these things. You are also correct that unsourced claims should be removed (see this email by Jimbo). However, let's see if sources can be provided first. You might consider making a comment at Talk:Safavid dynasty and Talk:Safi Al-Din. Regards, Khoikhoi 07:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

References on Musavat

Those references were put in on Adil's requestion. Plus, there is no harm in mentioning references. I suggest you reinsert them before Adil Baguirov decides to take the information out again.Azerbaijani 22:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, as I said, the nature of Musavat is mentioned at length on Musavat page. No need to reinsert the quotes on every single page related to Azerbaijan, as it's only a political party. I suggest rather coming up with other useful references than using same block of text inserted on every single page. Contribution is essential. Atabek 06:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Safavids

Salam. Do you agree with my edition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sa.vakilian (talk • contribs) 17:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Salam. Yes, I do so far. Totally agree with top part, except you might want to change independent Iranian state to Iranian empire, as that was part of the consensus. Also, the background of Safavi order has lower priority than founder section, because the page is devoted to Safavid Dynasty, and the founder of Dynasty was Ismail, who was of Safavi order. So it should first introduce the founder, then about his background. But in general, I agree with your balanced edit. Thanks for doing this. Atabek 17:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, ignore my opinion on swapping background and founder sections, it looks good the way it is. Thanks. Atabek 17:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Shah Esmail poems:Although I'm Persian but I like him, I found that the poems of him is duplicated.

There is written in "Founder of the Safavid empire" that"Shah Ismail is also known as a poet of primarily Azerbaijani language, while fewer Persian language verses also remains, all under the nickname of Khatai. The collection of his poems written in Azeri Turkic were published as a Divan" and again in "culture" we can see "Shah Ismail I himself wrote most of his poems in Azerbaijani, as well as in Persian and Arabic, while Shah Tahmasp was a painter. "

Do you agree to move all of this to culture.--Sa.vakilian 17:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you should move to Culture section only the second sentence "The collection of his poems ...", and add the reference back to the end of sentence "...Khatai.", but leave this first sentence in Founder shortened as "Shah Ismail is also known as poet under a nickname of Khatai". I think it's fair to indicate in the "Founder" section that he was a poet, the details we can move to culture section.

Another note:

Culture flourished under Safavid patronage. Shah Ismail I himself wrote most of his poems in Azerbaijani, as well as in Persian and Arabic, while Shah Tahmasp was a painter. Shah Abbas II was known as a poet, writing Turkic verse with the pen name of Tani..

You may want to change both "Azerbaijani" and "Turkic verse" to say "Azeri Turkic" or "Azerbaijani Turkic". Let's say:

Culture flourished under Safavid patronage. Shah Ismail I himself wrote poems primarily in Azeri Turkic under a pen-name of Khatai. The collection of his poems in Azeri Turkic were published as a Divan, while few Persian and Arabic verses of his are also known. His son, Shah Tahmasp was a painter, while their descendant Shah Abbas II was known also a poet, writing Azeri Turkic verses under the pen name of Tani .

Thanks.Atabek

I edited the article and copied this debate in Talk:Safavid dynasty.--Sa.vakilian 19:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ismail I

Do you even check what you're reverting? Nobody has removed anything from Ismail I, "Ismail's advent to power was due to Qizilbash Turkoman tribes of Anatolia and Azerbaijan" is right there in the article under "Life and Political History" where it belongs, in the paragraph about his rise to power in the correct chronological order. Please do not make blind reverts. --Mardavich 19:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Musavat covenant

Hi, Atabek that covenant is surely the first draft of covenant of Musavat of 1911, but the real, FIRST covenant was accepted after musavat merged with turkish party of federalists in 1917. the translation of tahat covenanat is given in Aydin Balayev's book as an appendix, but I also have its text in original language(azeri turkic) published in one newspaper in 1990s. i am going to translate essencial parts and create an article about it in wikipedia. then it will be evident as tthe sun that this party is no panturkist or panislamist in any sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elsanaturk (talk • contribs) 23:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Hi, Atabek,I have a certain deal, what do you think, we should gather together all our arguments against panturk+panislamist accusations of User:Azerbaijani and his biased sources, because as I see all our arguments are dispersed among various talkpages, and when all these dispersed arguments would be collected, I do not know how, but, some among you, experienced user would request for mediation. because this guy has a certain intention to distort azerbaijani pages, and no talkpages can stop him/her from his "activities". so i think the only way to stop it by wikipedia administration Elsanaturk 20:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I've send this message to Adil, I'll send this message to other wiki azeri users Elsanaturk 20:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Safavids

Atabek, you edited the old version, starting a new edit war, without discussing the issue. And now you ask others not to make any changes?! I proposed a new intro and friendly asked you not to revert at least for 1 or 2 days and to express your thoughts on the new intro. After that, you could have easily reverted.

We have discussed the current version for at least 10 days, without reaching any compromise or consensus. Why do you block the new version now?! Do you really expect others to accept the current version although all discussion has failed in the past 10 days?

Your recent revert is no help at all. I tried to improve the article by doing some changes. The first change was reverted by Khoikhoi who wanted to revert a vandal and not me. And now you automatically reverted my proposal without any discussion, although I had asked you not to revert it for at least 1 day.

That way, we won't reach any compromise, simply because you are so much focused on your own version, not allowing anyone else to express their thoughts. Tājik 00:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Tajik, I am not starting an edit war, but you should not be editing the page, when we are involved in an unresolved dispute on talk page. That's normal way this page has been operating to avoid edit wars and all consequences thereof. Disputes are resolvable, and the version currently there is not even final by me, but by Sa.Vakilian and supported by Ali Doostzadeh and few others. Even Kiumars agrees with many points, while you try to change very sensitive information without final decisions. Let's get back to discussion and exercise some patience and understanding of opposite points, just like most of us do. Atabek 00:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

3RR report

I undid your report at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR because you inadvertently erased mine in the process. Bobanny 19:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

As you already know, calling other editors vandals is considered incivility. This and this are unacceptable, particularly in light of my previous remarks to you about this very matter. Dmcdevit·t 19:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

DmcDevit, I haven't called the person vandal, I called his action vandalism. It's sad that despite reports you take no action to protect the pages, the content of which was competely removed, but rather concentrate on just plain blocking of personalities. It seems as though you feel quite powerful having admin "stick" in your hand, but pay very little attention to the content of edited pages as well as contributions of users. Atabek 20:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

I have opened an arbitration case regarding the current editing dispute you've been involved in. Please make a statement at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan concerning the conflict with the other parties listed. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 10:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)