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Civility, privacy

First of all, even though you claim to have 'left', continuing to edit any pages means that you are still subject to wikipedia policies. I have removed the IRC chat logs you posted above, as copy/pasting IRC transcripts is STRICTLY forbidden without the express consent of all parties involved. Secondly, I've removed the personal attack you made in your rant above. If you continue, you may be blocked and your talk page protected from editing if you continue. --InShaneee 15:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Where can I find a concise account of what happned? I see a 3-day block accompanied with "personal attacks, threats of more." Please cite individual diffs. Thanks in advance. El_C 05:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

On 2nd look, this block took place nearly two weeks ago, so it has become academic incidents-wise, and otherwise, should be structured in an RfC format. You're free to do so, of course. I'd say, you should return, and in the future, if you need a 2nd administrative opinion on another admin's action , drop me a line. El_C 05:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

yüzde

I did not make that mistake before. I remember clearly correcting one... anyway by coming up with a translation I guess I have already passed that step.neurobio 19:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

by the way you are wrong about deepblue. He is not Holdwater. Holdwater is not here for the time beeing.neurobio 19:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Torque may be holdwater I dont know. but despite your advanced observation skills and devotion I have to say that Deep is not. that is my feeling you will continue to believe in yours. So you can speak Turkish? Indicating that we are dealing with the elites of the diaspora. And maybe someday Holwater was here too. wikipedia turned out to be much more that I expected. may I just ask your age? oproximately?neurobio 22:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

you may be right about the diaspora I have no clue. what I observed is Armenians from Armenia are so different from dispora armenians. I guess you are very well aware that I am a rookie. Actually I havent read a single book about the subject before coming here an strugling with you. but to see why I am so sure and will be devoted see Marshal Bayramyans talk page under the title Correct (there may be some words there about you that you may not like). I am ready to belive your claim about you being neutral in article but your remarks about Katchazuni (trying to discredit what he writes) and accepting charney as a reliable source with a face vaule is much much questionable. And you come up with so careles claims that you refrained from doing while facing Torque also makes me think that you make things up (or using thinks that are previously made up) when facing people who are not so well eqipped. And for gods sake it is so obvious that there were hardly 1.6 milion Armenians at that time how do you insinst and claim 1.5 killed or 2 mil lived in ottoman empire? Anyway We will always be opposing each other in this issue but there is no need to be incivil.neurobio 00:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

i got a very bad answer from marshal and erasing my edits from his pageneurobio 00:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

well what can i say. you are right in some issues. The forged idendity is just a mistake but it still is not completey forged. I came here thinking that it is just another forum. I was not aware this was so serious. once I started and it had to go on. I am sorry. I still think that you are a trouble maker and i have told much worse things to you before, no need to mention that. and I will of course try to do anything to chance the article. Besides that picture was really doubtfull. I did not wish to change it anyway because i knew you will come up with a worse one. you erased it and i had to put a new one. I act this way because before even reading anybook I knew every thing from my family just like your eye withneses, we have also our victims and if anyone who has killed people of my family comes and blames us of genocide and denial then i will go crazy. I am also a children of a survivor. You should not be surprised of my rage. You always ask for respect but show no respect to our deaths. I dont like you not because you are armenian but you know you are adding lies. I can understand others naive armenians who are much less knowledgabele. but you... you should know you are adding lies.neurobio 01:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

and finally I dont think deep is holdwater because I mailed TAT with my original name and same mail adress I used here and talked about wiki and holdwater said he has no time. Here Deep assumed that I am really foreigner and wrote a long answer to me about turkish position.neurobio 02:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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Photo

I don't think the photo you've posted should be included especially with an Armenian Genocide phrase in the caption. But I'll leave that to others to decide. I just want to say that I wanted to revert Karl Meire's edits, did not intend to revert the photo. If you include the photo again, I'm not going to revert it. 24.211.192.250 17:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Assume good faith

What can I do to have you assume good faith with me? Was any of my edits done in bad faith? Please let me know. May be we can work things out one-on-one easier than on the talk page. 24.211.192.250 05:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you SHould say something

This manipulative behaviour has gone far enough and is very frustrating to the editorial environmnet. I think you should say something here . Enough is enough; we should be able to edit rationally.

Thanks 69.196.164.190

FYI:The way you see me conduct myself in the NK article is the same way I conduct myself in other articles. 69.196.164.190

hi

I assume that you read all my contributions so I am not talking behind your back.neurobio 01:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

first. come on. I should be ashamed because I lied to you eh. LoL. thats the last thing in my to do list. If you wish to play a game of ethics with me let me tell you it wont work and I would advice you to do it first yourself. question your life in the web.

Second. Yes I am talking about that Holdwater stuff. please I am Just telling again you are making your self funny. I talked with all these people seperately. you are a highly intelligent man who has devoted his life to web forums and being the genocide Champion and I see that as a real waste. oh I know it is none of my bussiness. just like you I love sticking my nose every where.

finally. FYI: I have read almost every page in discussion, not like a real book ofcourse with fast tracking it took almost 4,5 hrs. I am really a grand child of a survivor so I wont buy any of your "I have read all avaliable" bluffs. Do you feel honest within your self. blaming a nation and its people with genocide recklessly. Especially when facing a person whose relatives were killed by your ancestors. dont tell me "scolars are saying these and that" stories. If you fare honest then you may have the right to ask people to be honest. bye.neurobio 03:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Neurobio

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Cat out 12:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, in attempting to defend yourself, you managed to call Cool Cat a liar along the way. I don't really care what else Neurobio is up to, my concern at the moment is getting both (yes, BOTH) of you to stop making any sort of personal attacks. If you really, truly want the content of the articles you are working on to be sorted out, then I'd strongly suggest you try talking about that for a change instead of sniping at each other. --InShaneee 23:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Great Job.

		The Barnstar of National Merit
		Dear Fadix. I am hereby awarding you with this National Merit Barnstar for your exceptional work on Armenia-related articles, especially concerning the Armenian Genocide. Continue the great job. TigranTheGreat 10:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Great fire of İzmir

Your comment has been noted, I'm currently working on the subject to complete the most comprehensive work ever done, in which your and all others' cited contributions will be included. Available soon. Thanks for your interest. Kertenkelebek 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your note and the trust your show me. Both are greatly appreciated. Regarding the articles you mention, I am doing my best to help make them as comprehensive and neutral as possible. It helps me a lot to know that you are also doing the same from your perspective. Still, I want you to know that I am not a professional historian, and sometimes my ignorance or bias might become too obvious. Since you appear to have done extensive reading on the subject, I would appreciate a comment whenever you think that I have got something wrong :-) TheArchon 12:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Nothing justifies deleting cited information as nothing can justify adding biased one. My claim was neither; just because I didn't pay enough attention, some cited information as well as grammer fixes might have been reverted accidentally by myself in the effort of removing biased information. That is the case I noted and expressed my thanks for your interest in enlightning me. Now I'm working on a large scale re-write including additional references and I will pay more attention on not deleting unbiased work of others. Kertenkelebek 15:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply

First off, why didn't you read what I wrote? "I welcome your comments. Do not reply to each other. Just give comments, suggestions and sources. Do not quote. - FrancisTyers · 20:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)" I was quite explicit. I moved your section up to the discussion section. You can reply either there or in the main "Notes" area, but follow the guidelines. When you reply to Grandmaster I will delete it, the same goes for when he replies to you. - FrancisTyers · 21:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for working with the process. - FrancisTyers · 23:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to get everything clear, then we can decide on what should be included, how it should be worded. - FrancisTyers · 23:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there anything you would like to add to the timeline, or is that the whole story for that time. e.g. All relevant events? - FrancisTyers · 15:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm interested in when it was "Nagorno-Karabakh" as a distinct entity. I don't think there is any arguing that the NKAO was started, so no need for the 1924 stuff. - FrancisTyers · 15:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm interested in when it was under Bolshevik/Soviet control. - FrancisTyers · 15:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Which december, make it clear in the timeline. - FrancisTyers · 16:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy with the timeline yet? - FrancisTyers · 19:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan referendum

I'm interested in finding out the truth behind the history of Nakhichevan. Did the Armenians really boycott the referendum and was there a source for this? -- Clevelander 01:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

If you don't have a source that says the Armenians boycotted the election, then do you at least have a reference for those statistics (60% to 40%)? I'd be willing to add in there that some believe that the Armenians boycotted it, etc. -- Clevelander 12:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide picture

Hi, I have some questions about that photo, can you come to the Pontian Greek Genocide page and help clarify it? --Awiseman 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Yo

Can you take a look at 7 again? We are using the same verb. - FrancisTyers · 19:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh became a source of dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan when both countries gained independence in 1918. After Bolsheviks took the region over two years later, they first granted the region to the newly created Armenian SSR, but later reversed that decision and granted Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy within the Azerbaijan SSR. The Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO) was established in 1923, which was to remain until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Hi, could you please outline why you are opposed to using "granted" to describe both the giving of NK to Armenia and Azerbaijan? Could you list synonyms that you would be happy using? - FrancisTyers · 19:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that. I've made a minor change. How about 'ol 7 now? - FrancisTyers · 19:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

re HI

I dont know dude, I might just go away cuz im getting tired with the fact that as soon as it was unblocked, the usual suspects started adding more pics, removing part of the Pamuk stuff, changing key words such as opposition to denial etc, and frankly, like you, I dont mind changes but when they are done without an iota of discussion on the talk page and lots of namecalling, its just vandalism. And now our dear friend THOTH is back!!! BTW, where have you been? lutherian 05:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide

Hi, what do you think of the name of this article? Do you have any possible alternatives? Thanks, --A.Garnet 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Well i did suggest something like that along the lines of Ottoman Greek casualties with various incidents explained in there. But people seem to be looking for a commonly used term, and from what i can see, there simply isn't one. --A.Garnet 17:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

NK page

Hey Fadix. Please comment on the NK talk page.--TigranTheGreat 00:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek

Can we again discuss the title issue? It is really not fair to accuse a nation of genocide just on a whim.. It is a serious allegation that must be backed-up by serious academic research. The definition of the United Nations and the international law must be taken into account. Pls let's not use Misplaced Pages to fuel ethnic hatred. The article still doesn't have even one impartial source or citation. Pls reply... If not we can easily witness a proliferation of 'genocide' sites on Misplaced Pages, claiming that every nation in this world has committed genocide against each other... Baristarim 10:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Assyrian Genocide

Don't you think that the article Assyrian Genocide is written from a biased point of view with a childish way of expression?

85.101.58.142

WP:NC(GN)

I apologize for spamming your talk page, but since you had contributed in the past to the WP:NC(GN) proposal, which is currently ready for a wider consultation, I thought you might want to give it another look now and, hopefully, suggest some final improvements. Thanks. --Lysy 22:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Fadix,

Thanks for your interesting comment, I read it and wanted to ask you some questions.

Turkish historians and the small minority of western ones (McCarthy, Lewis, etc.) stress the fact that both sides died. Does the fact that Turks died as well prevent it from being a genocide? How many Muslims do you think were killed? If someone looks at both sides of the issue, is it still a genocide? Thanks in advance.

BTW, please don't insult neurobio—instead, keep the level cool. —Khoikhoi 03:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

That was very informative. I guess I have no more questions...thanks again! —Khoikhoi 05:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

Thanks for the honesty, at least. You've now been blocked for 72 hours for attacks. --InShaneee 04:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the block. This or the rest of the similar craps he wrote is what this idiot worth as an answer, and I still maintain he is a parasit to the community who has done nothing better than spamming, vandalising and parasiting. Anyways, I had no intention to edit in those 72 last hours, so it doesn't change a thing. Fad (ix) 07:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Making personal attacks while blocked is not acceptable, either. --InShaneee 17:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, then, maybe you could give any example of one single contribution he made beside spamming the talk page, paranoiding Armenian propaganda and forgies all over the place, and calling articles garbage. If you want attacks and slanders, here . This guy is given the right to slander in Turkish, besides calling articles trash, comparing Misplaced Pages to a circus, spamming entire talk page, making whole generalization comments, and in exchange hasn't even contributed ones in a positive way. I would refuse to respect someone who doesn't respect me, call my contributions trash. At least this time, I have slandered, and the 72 hours was a little price to pay for the relief. Fad (ix) 18:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Not so say, from the day I have registered an account to now, not once have I ever been blocked for disruption of articles, for revert warring, for vandalism etc., while everyone who have reported me have all been blocked for at least one of those, and this is all that matters for me. Fad (ix) 18:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest you learn to care about more. This behavior is not acceptable. No amount of misbehavior on another user's part gives you license to break the rules yourself. Do it again for any reason and you will be blocked for longer. --InShaneee 04:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Look dude, you better check my contribution history. I will once more be away for the next week, once I'll be available, my block will already be expired. Your action has absolutly no positive result overall, as while I slander a pseudo-member who has only a history of spamming, vandalism, edit warring, racism, who would slander in Turkish worst than I will ever(at least I am not a coward I do it in English), parasits like this will still the end of the day not respect any policies or guidelines but get away with it, because administrators like you will only place worth on NPA policy, while it is probably the only policy which is not directly linked with articles. Anyways, do you see me complaining about the block? No, so why do you even feal that you should answer me back? Fad (ix) 05:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

You just called him a 'parasite' again. What you did was wrong, and if you're going to keep making personal attacks, I'm going to have to extend your block. --InShaneee 23:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this: Please keep your tone civil. Do not attack others, and focus on content instead. --InShaneee 22:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

MKA

Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. Must 18:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

your message to me

Dear Fadix, Sorry,I didnt understand what you mean. Please clarify it. Regards.Must 12:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

AG translation

I must first say how happy I am for your support, because I was really discouraged to continue to making further edits on wikipedia. Thank you very much. What is written here is only the direct translation of Turkish Armenian Genocide article. I am not sure about the citation, even though I will add them as they appear on the Turkish page.

Turkish Thesis

Armenain Genocide Allegations are allegations claimed by some historians that Ottoman Empire specifically planned to destroy all Armenians living in Anatolia in 1915.

It is claimed that In the Armenian Relocalization started at 1915 aimed to destory all Armenian population living in Anatolia and 1 to 1.5 Armenians lost their lives. The main support of Genocide Allegation is that it is planned directly by the Ottoman Empire, rather than the facts about rapes and humanitarion issues. During , Armenian revolts forced Ottoman Empire to relocalize the Armenians due to logistic and secutiry reasons.

Facing with such allegations, the attitude of ] is to accept that many Armenians had lost their lives before and after the relocalization, but these deaths are not due to a systematic genocide but rather due to consequences of war, epidemic diseases and the lack of opportunities to ease such a departure.

Both sides show some proof to prove their thesis. The proposal of Repulic of Turkey of making all governmental archives publica and urging all historians and scientists to investigate these document, is rejected by Armenia.

Now, in Switzerland, it is illegal to refuse the Armenian Genocide. About 20 coutries accepted laws in their parliament which recognizes Armenian Genocide. The ] didn't make such a law in federal means, but 36 states recognized the Allegation. Some countries (i.e Israel and Great Britain) preferred to use word massacre rather than genocide.

Historical Account

Due to the difference in their religious sect, Armenians used to have some problems with the Roman Empire. By the arrivals of Seljuks in 1071 by the Battle of Manzikert Armenians become freer in their worships. The problems due to the separation of Armenian Church from Byzantium Church in A.D 451 is ended by the start of Seljuk era. Turkish and Armenian nations lived together without any problem until 1877. In 1877, the Hinchak committee, influenced by the Marxist philosophy from Switzerland, initiated the nationalistic emotions of Armenians to get stronger. Along with Hinchak committee, "Armenian Revolutionary Federation" or Tashnak Organization or Tashnak Party founded in 1890 in Tbilisi, incited the Armenians against the Ottoman Empire. These organizations armed the civilians in order to establish an independent state.

After the Ottomans losing the 1877-1878 battle to Russia, the land from Caucasia to Trabizon is invaded by Russian Army.

During the WWI, while the Ottoman Empire were fighting against France and Great Britain armies in numerous fronts, Armenians living in Anatolia allied with Russians and revolted in Kayseri, Bitlis, Diyarbekir, Sivas, Trabizon, Ankara, Van, Nicomedia, Adapazar, Adana, Symrna and in many other provinces. (to be continued) and please wait until the end of the whole translation before starting putting bits of pieces. We can continue to work together by the way. Thanks. Caglarkoca 15:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: I don't appreciate it

It doesn't matter if neurobio is an ill intentioned user or not. Suppose my brother is mentally retarded. I would still be offended if people said, "is your brother some sort of retard?" Neither WP:NPA nor WP:CIVIL say "if something is true, then the policy doesn't apply". You are welcome to have your own opinion one someone, but it's not ok to insult people. BTW, when did you learn Turkish? Khoikhoi 03:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think saying that Misplaced Pages is a mad house qualifies as a personal attack. Can you provide diffs where neuro has "bashed Armenians" and called their work "trash"? How recent did he say this? Khoikhoi 03:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess I did miss it. Please show me diffs. Khoikhoi

When did I revert your edit? All I did was remove the part where you said, "unless you want only bad intentioned editors like neurobio contributing" (for obvious reasons). Do what you want at Talk:The Holocaust, but you have still failed to provide diffs for me. Khoikhoi 02:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Fadix, i'll have a look into it. Thanks, --A.Garnet 20:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

Listen you mentioned Farsi. I'm Persian Armenian and my parents are fluent in Farsi. We know all about the Middle east and the languages and sounds. Farsi only has the 'Kh' which we have also. All the rest of the sounds (which I cant put here in English cause they dont have those sounds)from the 38 Farsi doesnt have. Our language is unique compared to all other languages. What I'm finding my self personally from looking at translated Hurrian words in English which is not the best way to look since English doesnt have those sounds. Its that those sounds and words are found in Hurrian more than Greek or Persian. Armenian words I personally found in Hurrian. The authors I pointed out to Dbachmann mention even Armenian sentences which I showed one sample of the cuneiform inscription and its meaning in Armenian. We definitely have a link with Hurrians. First of all, Hurrians isnt even a people but what I see and most of the scholars is that its an elite language our ancient kingdoms used, specially for specific purposes. Ararat arev 06:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I made a typo, it wasnt all 38 sounds Farsi doesnt have, its those other 8 or 9 other sounds which English doesnt have the example to put. Ararat arev 06:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The Hurrian translations are not yet found fully. So they have found very few of the translations. Im sure once they find it we see links with Sumerian, Hurrian (which Urartu used also) with Armenian. We have to look at all of these inscriptions and see the links with the language. I know Georgians have the same word 'Ar"S"ib' also as Armenian ArSiv, with the b = v. Just like Erebuni is Erevan and Bian is Van. Are you Hye? :)Ararat arev 06:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You seem like one of those people that dont fully understand Armenian history. First of all we never called ourselves "Armenia", but Hayasdan. From Haik which he was from the 3rd millennium of the tribes of Armen (Armenian tribe). Armens in Ararat were also called Armeni from 2300 BC inscriptions of Akkadians. The Armans or Hyes have always been in the land of Aratta (Ararat). To this day Arabs, Persians, Assyrians which inscripted the 'Armani' reference, call us by 'Armeni' to this day. Ararat arev 06:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't appreciate it, either

It is actually discomforting that a plea for fairness, balance and self-restraint addressed to all contributors is interpreted as a personal attack which deserves an apology. It is also discomforting that, in spite of the alleged "be bold - anyone can edit" principle that supposedly animates Misplaced Pages, a user has to explain on the talk page the reasons for removing a sentence that is not only POV, but also factually inaccurate (and expressed in a childish manner, by the way) and a quotation that is quite biased, to say the least. However, I do understand your reasons. Since Misplaced Pages is populated by a significant share of users who apparently don't have anything better to do in their lives than staging endless (and quite useless) edit wars, and since my intention is to offer a positive contribution, I will follow your advice and post my proposals on the talkpage as soon as possible. Your comments and suggestions will be more than welcome. Happy New Year. FrancescoMazzucotelli 21:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, I am sorry if I sounded harsh and rude. FrancescoMazzucotelli 21:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to express my reasons here. FrancescoMazzucotelli 22:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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Paytakaran

If you didn't want to get involved, shouldn't you have thought about that before reverting him? Sorry, but once you revert, you're involved. It doesn't meen you have to participate in the mediation, but this is the same reason why admins can't revert before they protect a page. Khoikhoi 06:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to keep making comments on the talk page if you don't want to... Khoikhoi 04:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I meant Talk:Paytakaran, not my talk page. If you really don't want to be involved, just make an effort to do so and I'll cross your name off the list. Khoikhoi 04:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Knock it off already. Do you want to get blocked again? Khoikhoi 04:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Listen, I do not know the background of the article at all in fact. I joined Misplaced Pages only four months ago, and I didn't get involved with that article that much (not for a particular reason, so it is not something that has to with someone or a "group"). I know that there is always some rough riding going on in and around that article, so not much would surprise me :) If you contributed a good deal to an article in good faith and people are just calling it crap, then I can understand your frustration. People can disagree on content, but there shouldn't be any personal disrespect. All I am saying is that I have no idea of the background of the article (especially who did what when). I perused the archives for some background info, however. Personally I am only trying to bring some humor and/or distraction to the talk page so that the conversation doesn't get out of hand (as it tends do so so often, even I let myself get carried away). For example, this article was protected because of a particular disagreement on content between OttomanReference and some other users, but there has been no mention of it since the protection - just a small note couple of hours after. It is nobody's fault particularly; nobody brought it up!!

But listen, there is no need to lose your rag, just chill. As I said, I know the type of stuff that is happening about that subject, and not just in Misplaced Pages, as well as a lot of things associated with it in today's world. The article is already protected, so take some time away and clear your head. I also lose it sometimes here, so I know :) (that's why it can be a madhouse btw, not coz people are stupid! It is mad in a funny way lol) But also remember that there will always be fundamental disputes in that article, so just keep that in mind (I would say the same thing to a Turkish user as well, it is nothing personal) In the same way that there will always be huge disputes with Isreal/Palestine articles for example. C'est la vie... Cheers! Baristarim 03:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

(By the way, which articles that I created? I generally make a point of not creating articles that will be grounds for edit-wars. I created some articles like Secularism in Turkey simply because there needed to be one in line with other country articles, not to offend someone :))Baristarim 03:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Neurobio

Allright fadix, I am very sorry to see that you take it personally. I know this guy no better than I know you, so I do not protect him intentionally. I read every single line of what you have written in the genocide talk page, and even though I never agree with you; reading your passages are very educating to me. But, it is hard to follow a text when it is full of personal attacks. I do not know tellarmeniantale, and I do not appreciate Neurobio saying Misplaced Pages, an amazing circus for all of us but you shouldn't mention it in the talk page of the genocide. I know that you have good relations with anyone else in the wikipedia. I also haven't forget your support when I first contributed to wikipedia, if it weren't for you and Baristarim, I would have left a long before.

Armenian Genocide article is constructed before I start wikipedia two months ago. It addresses the view of majority very well, so tebrikler:), but it lacks anti-genocide POV as I have stressed in the talk pages. I plan to finish my translation till february 19, merge it with denial of the genocide, ask Baristarim for a peer review, and present it to you with the title of either Turkish Thesis on the Armenian Genocide or Refusal of the Genocide. I will also answer you on Orbay in the talk page of the genocide. Thanks Caglarkoca 03:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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AMA

Just to let you know I will be helping in the dispute you are in. Do you know the policy Misplaced Pages:Ownership_of_articles? I feel as if you think you own the article and you don't want anyone else editing it, am I right? If I am right then you are breaking this policy. Also if you reverted his edits without looking at them like he said then you are sending the message that you do not care about what he rights. Assume good faith, even if he is wrong assume that he is doing for the good of wikipedia. You should Stay away from deleting info if it talkes about trying not to delete info with Verifiable and a Reliable source. Also I would like you to look at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. Have a nice week and god bless. --James, La gloria è a dio 15:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Can you please not talk about the blocks. --James, La gloria è a dio 20:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• I believe that all of you to some degree feel as if you own the article. If not then there would not of been a dispute. Also peoples past does not matter. Have a nice week and god bless. --James, La gloria è a dio 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

James, La gloria è a dio has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

• If your civil, and work with the others well I'll reward you. Have a nice week and god bless.--James, La gloria è a dio 21:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Just to let you know we are going to talk about this on my desk from now on. Have a nice week and god bless you and everyone you know. --James, La gloria è a dio 23:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Hey Fadix, thanks for your contributions on Nakhichevan! I will try to find sources for most if not all of those names this weekend. Best, Aivazovsky 22:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

AMA ll

There may be a second advocate in this case. I have also asked a lot of people to comment. Peace. --James, La gloria è a dio 02:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Can you enable your e-mail address please? Cheers. --Mardavich 18:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev

Actually, if you read User talk:Khoikhoi/Unprotected#Its seems like you're not a good admin to check this, Angine is apparently his girlfriend in Iran. So she appears to be his meatpuppet instead. Khoikhoi 21:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you see that 217.219.53.253 (talk · contribs) has edited her userpage, also note that the IP is located in Iran. Khoikhoi 22:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You know where to report it. Khoikhoi 22:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Check your mail soon please, merci. Nareklm 18:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

N-K

Auto-protect? So it was mentioned on some page that handles automatic edit-war protections? That's kind of annoying, since now a protect shows up in the log but not the unprotect.--Golbez 23:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: trash

Nope, never seen it before. Interesting. Who is Adamu Adamu? Khoikhoi 01:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Karbakh

I support your comment, but please do vote, the Azeris have already set foot, the shady bunch, adil, atabek and batabak, i already know batabak and atabek are the same since i cracked him last time now im going to crack him again, kunats hivan koseren, the Turks will obviously reject this because its a major loss to them. Nareklm 05:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm you are right i agree, but we should learn how to fight back because that is what we are known for i have a few tactics but i can't list them here, you remember that email? peace. Nareklm 06:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

That constitutes as fighting back, but we need more hyerer here. Nareklm 06:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hello Fadix. I came to ask you to refrain from making personal attacks, as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Armenian_Revolutionary_Federation&curid=2337059&diff=107;(UTC)

If I understand correctly, the guy has the right to call me a racist, and I can't answer back in kind? And where is your warning to him, this time you can't pretend to not have seen it, its a couple of lines above my entire message you have deleted. The guy modified the name of a living person, added the "i" to make it sound as an Armenian as an insult just a few days ago. Also, there is no given right to you, to delete an entire message, because of one phrase, you are abusing your administrator privilages. The rest of my message doesn't contain any material which gives you the right to delete. Fad (ix) 04:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Correct. If he makes personal attacks, report it to admins. Do not respond by insulting him and the other Azeri editors. I will warn him, and yes, I saw his comment where he said "Strange, wouldn't you rather admit that the racists here seem to be both of you." However, WP:NPA in part says Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all. I understand it's not just a lone personal attack, but the guy is blocked... there isn't much harm he can do since his talk page is the only place he can post comments. If you stop posting on his talk page, it is very likely he will stop responding. It's as if you're sticking your hand into a lion's cage; you keep doing it even though you know you'll get bitten and even though you can just leave it alone. Khoikhoi 04:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The last days, they've successfuly been able to lock a couple of articles. Merge the last days Atabek edits with those of Dacy69, within few minutes matter, FEW MINUTES, do the merge and you'll see. I admit Adil is blocked and could not do any harm, but I REFUSE to report any members with whom I am in conflict with. Since it would be obvious that it is not in good faith. The report incidence has become a tool to shut people with whom people disagree with. Do you seriously believe that in an edit conflict in which both sides aren't respecting guidelines and policies, reporting the "other" sides users is done in good faith? How many times the one reporting it has been blocked himself in the process? You are encouraging me to give in members with whom I am in conflict with. Fad (ix) 04:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I can understand your frustration, and I can see why you don't want to report other users. This is exactly the same reason WP:PAIN was deleted, actually. Let me quote from a user I know:

Rather than doing things like reporting them to administrators for blocks, or trying to prove their misconduct; imagine how you would feel if someone "reported" you for alleged misbehavior: you wouldn't like it. It would escalate the conflict. Instead, remain cordial and don't engage in petty behavior outside of dispute resolution (discussion/mediation). If simple discussion isn't working, or you notice that it's getting heated quickly, disengage from the conflict and seek outside opinions and mediation, and be willing to make a serious attempt at compromise.

Khoikhoi 05:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, a last note, if you unblock me and exchange the 24 hours block with a 48 hours restriction on not getting involved in such conflicts, I will welcome it. I want to contribute on science related articles and I promess to not do anything else, not even answering in users talkpage. Fad (ix) 04:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm, ok. Can we make that three days instead? Keep in mind that this doesn't give you a free ticket to resume personal attacks once the three days expire. Khoikhoi 05:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. Fad (ix) 05:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. Khoikhoi 05:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I am still not able to edit. Fad (ix) 05:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Try again. Khoikhoi 08:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You can post it yourself; my point was just that you should stick to discussing the article at hand, nothing else. That's all. Khoikhoi 10:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Paytakaran

The statements for inclusion to the article have been revised to accomodate your reservations. Have your objections been dealt with adequately in the latest version of the draft? I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist   17:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, being that cooperation is the opposite of disputing, perhaps you could look over Grandmaster's statements of fact and let me know which ones you agree with. The Transhumanist   18:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe I've identified the main problem in the Paytakaran discussion. The main cause of the dispute is not a disagreement on the part of the participants. It is miscommunication. The two sides have been having trouble getting their points across, and/or understanding what the other side means. This has caused them to continue to argue over points that could easily be resolved if they each knew what the other side was trying to say. It was hard to spot at first, because it's rather subtle...

I didn't understand your last answer, for instance. You didn't answer the specific question I asked but a more general one, and I didn't realize this until after I started to type a reply. Your answer doesn't use the number scheme used on the statements and sources page, leaving me to guess or assume your intentions from an interpretation of your answer, and therefore I can't really be sure which statements you wouldn't mind having included in the article.

To avoid the need for interpretation, I need very specific answers. The statements aren't listed as 1) 2) 3) 4), but as 1a), 1b) 1c), etc. Please look them over, and let me know precisely which ones you don't have a problem with (and which you agree can be placed in the article). That may help the mediation move forward smoothly and avoid further disputing. The Transhumanist   11:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)