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hey, how do you do that to your name? I've also seen others with colourful or artistic name designs but I have no idea how it's done. Thanks man Nate Hooper (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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Aphex Twin

Hi, you’ve made some very helpful changes to the lead, but your insistence on including a tiny label that is rarely (if ever) mentioned in overviews of James's career (and not even naming it, implicitly admitting that it’s not significant enough to mention!) is inane. He recorded for several other labels during that time too, and you’ve not bothered to mention those—rightly, because it’d be silly. Include those details in the article body. gentlecollapse6 (talk) 00:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Clearly, Gentlecollapse6 we differ on this. Fine. Your presumption of ownership, however, is not appropriate, and neither is pretending to be making accusations of edit warring while in fact actively instigating an edit war yourself. Do not do this again. The appropriate place to discuss content disputes is generally the article talk page. It will be helpful in discussion if you refrain from seeking to dictate what is "compromise". I.e. in this case: I think a brief mention of how artist emerged from free party scene and gained fame/recognition is at least as notable as an "inane" recounting of which aliases he was recording under in which years, when he signed to Warp etc, and hence should be included in the lead. You do not. Not including it is not compromise. I suggest you respond on the article talk page. Cambial Yellowing❧ 01:50, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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Self-described?

I'm not going to pursue the Charity v Think-tank argument but are you sure that they really describe themselves as a think-tank? I haven't looked but it is a very tabloidish phrase so best you check as you wrote it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. As to the sentence, John Maynard Friedman, I think it is now clunky, and prefer simply "charity" given that that is what it is precisely defined as in law and in British English. I did not revert in order to accommodate the concerns you expressed in your edit summary. Cambial foliage❧ 12:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

and I'm not arguing because technically you are correct. I just worry that the rest of the world understands the word 'charity' as on organisation that feeds the hungry and tends the sick. (Think of the Sally Anny commenting on the Offside Rule). I won't pursue it but shan't be surprised if someone else does. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

put it back to just 'charity' then, as it is just too clunky as is. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

wiki markup in original source?

I'm surprised by this edit, which restores the rather unsightly construction. I take it the actual source contains a reference to Kennedy which doesn't use his name? Eelworm (talk) 19:43, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

It's a direct quote hence why it sits in the quote parameter. I explained the reason in the subsequent edit. Cambial foliage❧ 19:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

The second edit makes perfect sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Eelworm (talk) 20:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Re: Edit summary

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Donnchadh

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my edit. Two things: I was restoring an old sentence, and, as you can see, my name is Denis and my Irish passport has my name as Denis (English) and Donnchadh (Irish). Regards Denisarona (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Your passport is not a reliable source Cambial foliage❧ 15:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Houston, TX 12.17.16

I don't particularly care whether this release is classified as by AFX or Aphex Twin as they're all the same dude in the end, but we should be consistent across all articles. The article refers to it as by AFX, not Aphex Twin, and as I said in my revert summary, James's own website prefaces it as by his AFX moniker here. The only sources I'm seeing stating the contrary from a quick Google search are Discogs (and they're not reliable per WP:USERG) and uploads of its tracks on websites. Ss112 20:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Request for translation of Deutsche Welle text

It’s unusual that this article does not appear in the English-language version of Deutsche Welle, which I have checked. Could you confirm/clarify please: by paragraphs 3, 4 and 5 do you mean starting at "Britisches Gericht lehnt Freilassung von Assange ab" and ending immediately before "Wikileaks-Gründer in Isolationshaft"  ? CWO (talk) 13:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for responding @CWO:. It is indeed highly unusual. As the article has been translated into Bosnian, Spanish, Croatian, Romanian, Albanian, and Serbian, the absence of English is odd.

Yes, those are the paragraphs I refer to. Cambial foliage❧ 14:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I have now completed this. To make it easier for myself, I copied and pasted the Deutsche Welle article into Google Translate then copied and pasted the result in English into a Word file. Then I checked the translation against the original German text, correcting it where necessary: e.g. the Google text made it appear that while Merkel was visiting Washington, so was Biden; "konstuiert und haltlos" appears twice but was given two different translations. I've also inserted a couple of clarifications of my own in square brackets mostly to do deal the fact that the article was dated 2 July 2021 and the tense the verb has to be in accordingly, and one explaining the German abbeviation ROG.

What should I do now? How do I pass the translation on to you? It's so long since I last did this, I've forgotten how.CWO (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for taking the time @CWO:. There are probably better ways of doing this, but I suggest we use Pastebin.com - Link

The simplest is if you paste the text using a short expiration time (1 day or so). If you are concerned about this method you could even use a "burn after reading" expiration if I know when you intend to post the link here. Alternatively I can provide a "burn after reading" link on pastebin.com for my email address. Cambial foliage❧ 14:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I have signed up to Pastebin and posted the text a few minutes ago, with an expiry of one day. However, I have no idea how this works or how one knows where to access other people's posts. My username is "CWOwen1952".CWO (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@CWO: If you have created an account you can go back to your paste and copy the url here. As long as the setting for "Paste Exposure" is set to "Public" or "Unlisted", I will be then be able to view it. It's not compulsory to use an account to make a paste. You can make an anonymous one with an expiry time on it (while logged out). To share the Paste simply copy and paste the url. Like this: https://pastebin.com/MPmd3Ugn . A burn after reading paste can only be viewed once: https://pastebin.com/XLN21f9R. Cambial foliage❧ 15:26, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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Some bubble tea for you!

Sometimes I might get over aggressive in whacking a vandal. I am sorry for removing your edits in addition to the vandalism. Cheers with a bubble tea. Whpq (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing Assange Archive pages

I was wondering what on earth you were up to with the archive pages but I understand now the archiing must have bombed out halfway along doing an archive and left an empty one. Thanks for the work fixing it up rather than leaving a gaping hole that might leave people thinking all sort of weird things. NadVolum (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies

Hey man. I'm sorry for wigging out on you. Regardless of the content, I feel bad. Hope all is well. And thank you for making the improvement to the article possible. It would have been lesser without, for better or for worse. Piotr Jr. (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Internet Archive Scholar vs. JSTOR

Hello, I see on your user page that you use JSTOR and I'd like to know more about your experience. By my calculations, a good 70 % of the main JSTOR content is now available for everyone at Internet Archive Scholar, with full text search provided e.g. at https://scholar.archive.org/ . The service is still in beta, but I've used it for some source-finding and it seems quite usable to me; I wonder whether that's just my experience. If you have a chance, the next time you'd be looking for a source on Google Scholar or JSTOR or similar, to perform the same search on IA scholar instead, I'd be curious to hear how it ends up. Thanks, Nemo 19:06, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Canvassing

Hello Cambial Yellowing,

You recently posted on my talk page that I am canvassing,then proceeded to delete it.

Canvassing is posting large amount of comments on users page asking them to support your opinion to influence an outcome.

I simply asked one individual for their interpretation or understanding of what an opinion piece is. The posting was limited and the message had a reasonable amount of neutrality to it.The user I asked has disagreed with me before on multiple occasions and wouldn't be considered particularly partisan. This entirely follows the rules of notifying other editors. Basedosaurus (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

@Basedosaurus: I removed it only because I noticed that, unless you have abandoned an old account, you are a relatively new editor, and I do not wish to Wp:BITE a newcomer, as you were likely unaware of the policy around gathering wider input. As you've opted to engage here, I'll respond.

These two edits that I referred to in my comment are not appropriate notifications, and fall foul of the canvassing policy. The description of canvassing you've given above does not reflect how we define canvassing on this website; we use a wider definition. There is a list of appropriate notifications and a non-exhaustive list of inappropriate notifications in the canvassing guideline. Your messages were nowhere close to neutral. Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner, as your notifications did, is contrary to the behavioural guideline. I recommend getting acquainted with the bulk of the conduct guides, particularly WP:CONSENSUS. Cambial — foliar❧ 22:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Before I break 3RR

I'm about to break 3RR (if I haven't already) at Pound sterling, with an IP editor who seems largely to know what they are doing but seems to be a traditionalist and very insistent. For the long version, see talk:Pound sterling#STG abbreviation. It may be that it is I who am in the wrong. Administrator oversight would be timely if you would, please? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: I'm not in a position to help; holding no such power. Cambial — foliar❧ 17:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

How strange! It must be your regal bearing! . --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Just because I think your username is witty does not mean you can ignore the very important rules. If you out me like this again I will fucking report you (I may not be an admin but I have a direct line to Adam Weishaupt). I also have contacts in the Stonecutters. We can have you personally revdeleted... forever. Cambial — foliar❧ 23:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Too late! By your incautious editing, you have revealed your true lizardman origins and Sea Org is now on your trail. You can run but you can't hide for a billion years. They will be waiting for you at your secret spaceport or your gateway to the forbidden dimension. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Scientology

Why are you redirecting articles like this one? If you think the Scientology topics shouldn't be stand-alone articles, then you need to get a consensus before removing all of this content. APK whisper in my ear 19:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Why would you remove a template link to a FA? APK whisper in my ear 19:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@APK: It’s appropriate to Boldly implement long-overdue changes. Fourteen years top-tagged with severe sourcing problems, clear lack of SIGCOV, and obvious replication of the organization's promotional material in wikivoice, with essentially zero effort to improve them and no available SIGCOV in secondary sources. Do you have any actual reasons for opposing these changes – ie. reasons to retain the promo content, not just admonishments to gain consensus. I see you've made no effort and have no apparent interest in making the articles into appropriate content (there is no way to do so). Can we just confirm that you're not looking to advocate for the organization or the cult members, when you restored fourteen-year-old promotional material as wikitext? Cambial — foliar❧ 05:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Why would you restore a double redirect to a template? Please look at the changes you are making rather than mass reverting. Cambial — foliar❧ 06:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Redirecting a highly viewed article that was started 20 years ago without a good reason is not bold, it's perplexing to say the least. You're using the template excuse but what about L. Ron Hubbard House that you redirected without a reason? After I restored it you slapped on templates which I'm removing. There are sufficient sources and it was on the Main Page in 2009 as a DYK so obviously it met notability requirements. Why did you remove a FA from the Scientology template? You're accusing me of having no interest in these articles and implying I'm here to advocate Scientology propaganda. Is that how you deal with everyone here you have a disagreement with? Attack and accuse? If someone edits Fascism does that mean they're a fascist? APK whisper in my ear 22:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Since there's been no response, I assume you're done engaging regarding List of Scientologists or other issues. If you think the article should not exist, nominate it for deletion. I'm restoring the page. APK whisper in my ear 07:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

there was no response because nothing in your comment merited a response. The reasons are clear; you’ve offered nothing whatsoever to counter them. I don’t know what a “template excuse” is, but articles which would largely cease to exist were the primary-sourced material removed should be redirected to an article that covers the subject and that does meet GNG. Your ramblings about fascism (?) are not relevant and there was and is no reason to respond to them. Cambial — foliar❧ 08:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

LISTN and groups of people

The other thing I would tell you about LISTN, though, Cambial, is that it only mentions that the "group" or "set" itself must be notable, not that a "List of X" is notable. And I think you would be hard pressed to argue that "scientologists" as a group are not notable. There are certainly plenty of sources demonstrating the notability of Scientology and its adherents. I'm bringing that part of the discussion here because you're right, ANI is not the proper place for it. — Shibbolethink 11:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the group or set. We have an article for the set of beliefs called Scientology, and we have an article about the business/institution Church of Scientology. Neither is the same as identifying "Scientologists" as a notable group. But this is not the proper place either; that would be the discussion I've opened at article talk. Cambial — foliar❧ 11:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC) @Shibbolethink: - ping added. Cambial — foliar❧ 11:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

TPG

Please do not edit the header I used to describe my talkpage topic, especially not to replace it with a misleading one that does not cover the topic I actually raised. CMD (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

please follow WP:TALKHEADPOV. Thanks Cambial — foliar❧ 02:28, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

It is already in line with such, as well as the bullet immediately preceding this. CMD (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

No, it isn’t. It’s not neutral. You claim OR, you produce no evidence of it. Cambial — foliar❧ 02:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The evidence was provided in the discussion. You yourself removed some of the OR. CMD (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

You've raised multiple other sections of the article in the discussion, and the vast majority of what you claimed was original research was fully supported by the academic content. The bulk of the discussion (>85%) is about war crimes. It's fully supported by the paper, written by a specialist in the field, which was already referenced. I am not tied to any specific title heading, as you can see from my edits. I do not see why you wish to avoid a title which is specific to the page section or content under discussion: you have reverted "Lead" which is the clearest for editors to understand what the section is about. You have reverted "Alleged Original Research" - not ideal as it gives no information about the topic, but you seem to wish to include reference to OR in the title: this is at least neutral. I don't think it's very useful for indicating to joining editors what the topic is but you reverted other suggestions. Cambial — foliar❧ 02:58, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The topic raised was the large amount of OR added by a sockpuppet, and it was not supported by any content. The new (current) text is supported because you found actually relevant sources and wrote information from them. Reaching that was a long process, but it was a productive conclusion to the topic raised, as the Sockpuppet OR was either fixed or removed. I am perplexed as to how this has reemerged as an issue. (As for the suggestion of "Lead", I point again to the diff I specifically linked in my comment above, which is emphatically not part of the lead.) CMD (talk) 03:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, you say "Lead" is not appropriate, I've not suggested that a second time, and have sought a different neutral heading. You could have done the same. Your blanket reversions to all other attempts at finding a neutral compromise are not helpful or appropriate. I have no issue with you creating a heading which is neutral and which you think appropriate, if my suggestions do not fit your concerns. Presuming all the content under discussion is original research, as your original heading does, is not neutral.Cambial — foliar❧ 03:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The topic I raised was the OR added by the sockpuppet. There is no neutrality issue in describing OR as OR. It was OR to the extent it literally included deliberately fake sources (I again point to the diff as an example), and to the point where you had to find new sources for the topics relating to the content which you did not remove, and these new sources necessitated changes to the text so as to actually reflect the new sources. CMD (talk) 03:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that was the title you used, I'm aware of that. Much of what you then went on to discuss was in fact not OR at all, but was supported by the Siver article or by Newsinger or the Asli article already referenced. To resolve this, would you be happy if the text after "CMD (talk) 09:56, 18 February 2022 ", which pretty much entirely discusses exclusively one issue, was separated off into a new section - "Geneva Conventions". The text above it to be restored to your original title? Cambial — foliar❧ 03:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate this reframing, but the split doesn't make sense as the very last comment in the discussion, which I made on 10:10, 23 February 2022, was still on the topic of the unsupported sockpuppet OR. This was only resolved later, when I removed the remaining probably fake sources and used a cn to separate the unsourced text out, and you later added actual sources (and changed the source I left to boot!). My comment prior to that final comment (01:49, 23 February 2022) was also about these sock sources, as does my comment three before that (09:56, 18 February 2022) and prior. Out of the 8 comments I left, only 2 were specifically about the Geneva Conventions, which was at the time an unexpected derailment from the topic at hand. CMD (talk) 03:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

In what sense was it an unexpected derailment? It was content you removed, claiming it was original research, and then opened a talk section, explicitly claiming in your comment that all the material you removed was original research. It was not perfect e.g. some of the citation placement was not exact (Siver citation a sentence late, but the topic it discussed was v. obvious) and not quite exactly rendered (a Newsinger page number was out - p. 52 instead of the correct p. 50). You said it was OR. Much of it was nothing of the sort, and several of the citations used are the same ones in the article now. Inviting talk page discussion on the basis of all the material being OR, when much was not, is not a neutral opening heading. Cambial — foliar❧ 05:04, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The citations are the ones used in the article now, because they were just copies of citations already in the article. The Siver was just copied from elsewhere in the article, as were most of the others. Following your fixes, only one of the apparent citations I removed remains in place (Newsinger 2013 p.220, which I can't check, although a snippet search of the 2006 mention finds nothing for Agent Orange there so that seems suspect too). Newsinger p.52 was not added or removed in the edit, so I'm not sure why you're raising that, and Newsinger p.50 is not in use so if you have access and can fix that now please do so. CMD (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The Siver source, which you refer to in five of your comments because it forms most of the discussion, supports the text. It’s good that there is a larger work in which it is included. You’ve pointed to nothing that suggests otherwise, nor could you. Cambial — foliar❧ 14:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

As you yourself pointed out earlier, the Siver source was not attached to the current text it is now attached to. It has been removed from its erroneous use, along with the other fake sourcing. Why woudl I point to a current failure or a larger work? You fixed a lot of the fake sourcing, you should take credit for that rather than whatever is going on here. CMD (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

The Siver source was not quite in the right place. In that case, which is what the long discussion was about, there was no “fake sourcing” other than that which occurred in your imagination, presumably a product of the zeal and unfortunate accompanying carelessness with which you pursued the removal of other sources which were misused. As to whatever is going on here, you opened a discussion on my talk page; if you were hoping I would not respond, that was a suboptimal course of action. Cambial — foliar❧ 15:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Avoiding hagiography. The discussion is about the topic Robert Fisk. Thank you. Nutez (talk) 11:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

You may have a point wrt. neutral section headings. However, I do think it's slightly puerile to create a new section header, with your own POV, just below it. A more constructive approach would have been to simply change the original header to something more neutral, as I moved to do. Also, please mind your edit summaries when editing BLPs. Whilst obscure, non-notable, unknown may be acceptable, idiot is an entirely different matter. Please be more careful in the future. Thank you. Nutez (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Nutez: When there is clear disagreement I prefer to strictly observe WP:TPO and wait for thread starter to correct their error. Thanks for the suggestion all the same. Not sure what your comments about edit summaries are for: perhaps link to the policy you believe is being broken when you are commenting on other editor's contributions. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Relevant policies might be WP:ESDONTS and WP:SUMMARYNO. Nutez (talk) 13:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Nutez: Nothing in that edit summary contravenes any of those guidelines. I'll assume you found those links as an afterthought, having neglected to familiarise with the conduct policy before making your comment. I suggest doing so instead of repeating that mistake. No apology necessary for your oversight. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Let me cite the policy:

• Use neutral language.
• Remain calm.
• Don't make snide comments.
• Don't make personal remarks about editors.
• Don't be aggressive.

By calling Mr. Engdahl "an idiot", you have a) used non-neutral language b) lost your calm c) made a snide comment d) made a personal remark e) been aggressive. Hope this clears things up. Nutez (talk) 13:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)