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178.147.192.169 (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Ancient Macedonians were an ancient Greek Doric descend

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

A Greek narative for a nation-building propaganda in the 19th century

The following excerpt is from an already accepted source regarding a different article, https://en.wikipedia.org/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)#cite_note-160, so this should also be considered as an adition to this article.

"..The Greek claim of exclusive copyright on the name ‘Macedonia’ is an attempt to cover up two problem areas that are extremely uncomfort- able for modern Greeks: first, the identity of the ancient Macedonians, and second, the relatively recent (re)Hellenisation of much of Aegean Macedonia. Who were the ancient Macedonians? The official Greek dogma is that the ancient Macedonians were nothing more than one of the many Greek tribes – and consequently Philip and Alexander were the ‘unifiers’ of Hellas. This flies in the face of the historical evidence that the ancient Macedonians were perceived by all Greek tribes as barbar- ians and non-Greeks and were violently opposed as such. Their likely ethnic and linguistic closeness to the Greeks could not sway Demosthenes (384–322 BC ) to accept them as Greek. It could be argued that Demosthenes was blinded by his ferocious opposition to Philip, but Macedonians were viewed in a similar light by Isocrates, a sup- porter of Philip. His position was that the Macedonian royal family was Greek (their dynastic name ‘Argead’ imputed a false etymology to Argos in the Peloponese) but that their subjects were most certainly not.2 Modern Greek historians are keen to buttress their claims about the essential Greekness of ancient Macedonians with linguistic argu- ments and archeological material from recent excavations of ancient Macedonian sites,3 evidently forgetting that no contemporary exercises could posthumously change the opinions of Philip’s and Alexander’s contemporaries. To sum up, the complexity of Greek-Macedonian relations in antiquity does not fit the straitjacket of nineteenth and twentieth-century Greek nationalist propaganda, which has invariably projected on to antiquity the contemporary reality that a subdivision of the Greek people lives in geographic Macedonia..."

This excerpt should be used to demonstrate that some scholars are of the opinion that a Greek narative regarding the period of antiquity has been pushed in the early 19th centry to fit a nation-building propaganda. Every nation has its myth and this was theirs. 77.28.94.78 (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Worthington Quote

Can someone double check the Ian Worthington quote "Not much is to be said about the Greekness of Macedonians: it is undeniable". I can't for the life of me find that quote in his book Philip II. I can find "There is enough evidence and reasoned theory to conclude that the Macedonians were Greek" on p.219, but not the former. 2A02:6B67:7917:0:C8F1:C995:AF34:FB67 (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

"Greek stock", "racially Greek"

These phrases—in quotations from scholars, no less—jump out at me. Is that what this is really about? Srnec (talk) 01:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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