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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2022 == |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Ancient Macedonians|answered=yes}} |
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] (]) 12:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Ancient Macedonians were an ancient Greek Doric descend |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 16:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== A Greek narative for a nation-building propaganda in the 19th century == |
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The following excerpt is from an already accepted source regarding a different article, https://en.wikipedia.org/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)#cite_note-160, so this should also be considered as an adition to this article. |
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"..The Greek claim of exclusive copyright on the name ‘Macedonia’ is an |
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attempt to cover up two problem areas that are extremely uncomfort- |
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able for modern Greeks: first, the identity of the ancient Macedonians, |
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and second, the relatively recent (re)Hellenisation of much of Aegean |
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Macedonia. |
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Who were the ancient Macedonians? The official Greek dogma is |
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that the ancient Macedonians were nothing more than one of the |
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many Greek tribes – and consequently Philip and Alexander were the |
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‘unifiers’ of Hellas. This flies in the face of the historical evidence that |
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the ancient Macedonians were perceived by all Greek tribes as barbar- |
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ians and non-Greeks and were violently opposed as such. Their likely |
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ethnic and linguistic closeness to the Greeks could not sway |
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Demosthenes (384–322 BC ) to accept them as Greek. It could be argued |
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that Demosthenes was blinded by his ferocious opposition to Philip, |
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but Macedonians were viewed in a similar light by Isocrates, a sup- |
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porter of Philip. His position was that the Macedonian royal family was |
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Greek (their dynastic name ‘Argead’ imputed a false etymology to |
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Argos in the Peloponese) but that their subjects were most certainly |
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not.2 Modern Greek historians are keen to buttress their claims about |
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the essential Greekness of ancient Macedonians with linguistic argu- |
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ments and archeological material from recent excavations of ancient |
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Macedonian sites,3 evidently forgetting that no contemporary exercises |
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could posthumously change the opinions of Philip’s and Alexander’s |
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contemporaries. To sum up, the complexity of Greek-Macedonian |
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relations in antiquity does not fit the straitjacket of nineteenth and |
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twentieth-century Greek nationalist propaganda, which has invariably |
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projected on to antiquity the contemporary reality that a subdivision |
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of the Greek people lives in geographic Macedonia..." |
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This excerpt should be used to demonstrate that some scholars are of the opinion that a Greek narative regarding the period of antiquity has been pushed in the early 19th centry to fit a nation-building propaganda. Every nation has its myth and this was theirs. ] (]) 00:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Worthington Quote == |
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== Worthington Quote == |
Can someone double check the Ian Worthington quote "Not much is to be said about the Greekness of Macedonians: it is undeniable". I can't for the life of me find that quote in his book Philip II. I can find "There is enough evidence and reasoned theory to conclude that the Macedonians were Greek" on p.219, but not the former. 2A02:6B67:7917:0:C8F1:C995:AF34:FB67 (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
