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:Well, just as we have invented special devices for detecting energy, implicitly there should be some way to invent devices to detect the medicinal particles. Once such is invented, then homeopathy can be considered a proper science. ] (]) 21:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC) | :Well, just as we have invented special devices for detecting energy, implicitly there should be some way to invent devices to detect the medicinal particles. Once such is invented, then homeopathy can be considered a proper science. ] (]) 21:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
::We have devices capable of detecting medicinal particles, lots of them. The funny thing is, when they are pointed at homeopathic remedies, no such particles show up. One assumes that is why they don't work. ]] 21:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC) | ::We have devices capable of detecting medicinal particles, lots of them. The funny thing is, when they are pointed at homeopathic remedies, no such particles show up. One assumes that is why they don't work. ]] 21:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
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There has been mounting scientific evidence that Homoeopathy works ] (]) 17:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
There is mounting scientific, clinical and statistical evidence that Homoeopathy is effective in mitigating and curing different diseases. ] (]) 17:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
* (1) No there isn't (2) If I am wrong you will presumably be able to provide multiple ]-compatible sources to confirm this. ] 17:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9884175/ | |||
'''Randomized controlled trials of individualized homeopathy: a state-of-the-art review''' | |||
"Conclusion: The results of the available randomized trials suggest that individualized homeopathy '''has an effect over placebo.''' '''The evidence, however, is not convincing''' because of methodological shortcomings and inconsistencies. '''Future research should focus on replication of existing promising studies.''' New randomized studies should be preceded by pilot studies." <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Hi Jay. I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying here. Are you supporting or opposing the OP? Your citation does not support them. - ] ] 15:15, 11 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
:In a low-impact alt-med journal which would presumably provide as generous a hearing as homeopathy would ever get, the authors were still only able to torture the data enough to produce a ''we-need-more-studies'' conclusion. Even they were forced to admit that "''...when the analysis was restricted to the methodologically best trials no significant effect was seen.''" Rigorous tests of homeopathy produce negative results. ](]) 15:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Wording of ineffectiveness of homeopathy == | == Wording of ineffectiveness of homeopathy == |
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Why is the information on Homoeopathy not updated? As technology advances, new researches have been undertaken by CCRH, India , BSc students, IIT Mumbai and can show new evidences about working of Homoeopathy 2A00:23C6:190C:6D00:E103:1AF8:5EF1:6914 (talk) 14:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Seems up-to-date to me. If you have new information, you are welcome to propose a change to the article. Don't forget to cite the sources backing the changes you are proposing. I also strongly suggest that you read the FAQ at te top of this page as well as the archives of this talk page to get familiar with previous discussions on the same subject. --McSly (talk) 15:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Homoeopathy is a science and therefore it is still existing.. Before claiming it as PSEUDOSCIENCE, kindly check the respective literature. One is unable to find medicinal particles in the dilution doesn't mean that it doesn't contain it. Similarly One can take example of Electricity. You know power house etc.. but when the switch you on makes the light on, do you see any visible energy? Homoeopathy Similarly works in this way. h Nidhidaven (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The relevant academic literature has exhaustive consensus against considering homeopathy as a science and regardless of the mechanism, no effectiveness beyond placebo has been shown as for its medicinal effect. agucova (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
One is unable to find medicinal particles in the dilution doesn't mean that it doesn't contain it.
- Resorting to Russell's teapot is not a great argument. Your argument about electricity is just plain asinine, since we have ample evidence of how electricity works & can even measure its presence (unlike your "water memory"). — The Hand That Feeds You: 15:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
…but when the switch you on makes the light on, do you see any visible energy?
- The light wouldn’t be much use if you couldn’t. But quite apart from that, there’s no good evidence for efficacy, the ideas behind it are contradicted by what we know about chemistry, physics and arithmetic, and we have appropriate RSs that say it is pseudoscience. Brunton (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Even by the standards of this talk page 'do you see any visible energy when you turn on the lights' has to be one of the weakest arguments yet. Dilution to non-existence doesn't improve efficacy around here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- To answer the OP's question, as we owe them that much, YES indeed we do. I fear they may not understand the answer, as they certainly dont understand their own question. Ah well, nevermind. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 19:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Even by the standards of this talk page 'do you see any visible energy when you turn on the lights' has to be one of the weakest arguments yet. Dilution to non-existence doesn't improve efficacy around here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, just as we have invented special devices for detecting energy, implicitly there should be some way to invent devices to detect the medicinal particles. Once such is invented, then homeopathy can be considered a proper science. JumboDS64 (talk) 21:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- We have devices capable of detecting medicinal particles, lots of them. The funny thing is, when they are pointed at homeopathic remedies, no such particles show up. One assumes that is why they don't work. Girth Summit (blether) 21:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Wording of ineffectiveness of homeopathy
In the first paragraph, there is a sentence that says "Homeopathic remedies are typically biochemically inert, and have no effect on any known disease". This seems slightly misleading, as homeopathic remedies can have positive effects on diseases, just not more than a placebo would. I think a more technically correct sentence there would be something like "Homeopathic remedies are typically biochemically inert, and have no effect on any known disease when compared to a placebo". Thoughts? ThePlug111 (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- No. Changes seen in the placebo arm of a trial are not necessarily caused by the placebo effect, but are mostly just down to the natural course of the disease; what would happen if no treatment is given. This is why they are generally referred to as “nonspecific”. And the placebo effect itself is the result of the perception that a treatment has been received, not specific to the actual treatment. If they have no effect over placebo, then the remedies themselves have no effect. “No more effective than placebo” does not mean “has a placebo effect”. Brunton (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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