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Has all discussion and history on this page been removed by admins? ---BobLoblaw 07:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Simply, no discussion since the page was created. You are the second here. Pavel Vozenilek 22:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Dates?

Part of this article reads:

On 3 May 1945 control of the camp was transferred from the Germans to the Red Cross. Five days later, on 5 May 1945 Terezín was liberated by Soviet troops.

May 5 is not five days later than May 3. Which is the correct date, May 5 (as stated) or May 8 (as implied by "Five days later")? The 5 May 1945 was just added, but I'm not sure that that means it's wrong...

Hbackman 22:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I have read several sources which confirm the arrival of Soviet troops at the camp on May 8. However, I also have one source which dates the arrival of the Red Cross as May 5, with the official control of the camp passing to Soviet officials on the morning of May 9 (Women of Theresienstadt, Ruth Schwertfeger 1988).

I also have another source which does not mention the arrival of the Red Cross previous to the liberation of the camp by Soviet troops. That source (Theresienstadt, Vera Schiff 1996) is a personal memior by a Czech Jewish nurse, who writes extensively on the typhus epidemic brought to Theresienstadt by death marchers from Birkenau on April 24. Schiff also states that death marchers under SS guard were brought to the camp during the last two weeks of April.

Schiff writes of the camp internees realizing only on the morning of May 8 that SS guards were not present to stop them from approaching the walls to watch the oncoming Soviet tanks, at which point they cut their way out through a section of chain-link. I find it puzzeling how a camp nurse would end up omitting the presense of the Red Cross, although I have left that section unchanged. Curious.

Paganolive 01:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Photos

I have uploaded 3 photos which might help add to the view on Terezin

• Entrance to the camp with distinctive styling.

• Memorial built outside the camp.

• Commandant's house in stark contrast to the conditions in the small fortress.

Collieman 16:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Article's name and language (concentration camp vs. ghetto)

I'd appreciate an explanation of:

* why the article's name doesn't begin with Theresienstadt, and doesn't include Terezin

* its predominant (per its title) yet internally inconsistent use of "concentration camp" rather than "ghetto"

Redirects aside, I'd have thought this article to be entitled somewhat otherwise, e.g. Theresienstadt (Terezin) ghetto.

I'd like to read some discussion here on the above points, as I'm quite new to editing Misplaced Pages, and Holocaust topics are my primary area of endeavor (corresponding with RL :-)
Thanks, Deborahjay 05:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The designation "concentration camp" is confusing but not wrong. It´s mentioned in the article that Terezín was a ghetto for privileged Jews from Germany, "Czechoslovakia" and Austria. In fact, it was founded by Heydrich as a transit CAMP for Czech Jews only. For instance, people could not walk on the pavement, and the living conditions were tougher than in the later period.

More than 90 % of Protectorate Jews were transported to Terezín!

The CAMP became a GHETTO - and, partially, an "Altersghetto" (i.e., for older and/or privileged Ŕeich Jews) only after HEydrich was assasinated. As late as June 1942, first non-Protectorate Jews were deported to Terezín.

TO be exact, there was one more designation used for Terezín. In the spring of 1944, it became "area of settlement" instead of "ghetto".

The twists in the tactics of the Nazis meant Terezín was quite a different place in 1941, 1942, 1944 and 1945.

This is well described in the book by HG Adler - a magnum opus of the "Holocaust science". Highly recommended...

When I was in Theresienstadt, there were two places - the fortress, which was definitely a camp, and the town, which I believe may have contained a ghetto (but I'm not sure abou this). The fortress, which was the prison for Jews during the war, would never qualify as a ghetto - people didn't LIVE there, they were IMPRISONED there. And that, to me, is a quite big difference. --Alvestrand 15:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Why are there no citations? If this is to be viewed as a credible article, the dates and events mentioned need to be cited. ~~ Kyle

So long as there is no any credible citations, all this sounds as science fiction. ~~ Martin

You don't need citations when being anti-nazi. Look on the holocaust page and you will see a coloured photo with no citations claiming to be of Jewish victims. Subsequently the Jews have altered history, and refer to Theresienstadt as a death camp. --Saintrotter 15:56, 11 September 2006