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;Analysis
Instantnood has edit warred at all the articles and categories listed above, including many violations of his 1 revert per day parole imposed by admin {{user0|Eagle 101}} on 8 December 2006, see ]. Many of these edit wars involve categorization of articles and categories. Instantnood specifically targets category changes made by Huaiwei, even if they were days or weeks earlier, showing that Instantnood is specifically tracking and reverting Huaiwei.

Huaiwei has edit warred. The changes he makes may or may not be in good faith. However, when Instantnood reverts, Huaiwei edit wars rather than seeking other forms of assistance.

;Remedies
# {{Userlinks|Instantnood}} is banned for one month for persistent edit warring, violating his 1RR parole, and wikistalking of Huaiwei's edits.
# Instantnood is banned from editing ''any'' category page related to China, including but not limited to its history, culture, territories and disputed territories.
# Instantnood is banned from adding or removing any category related to China from any article related to China. He may be blocked without further warning for up to a week for each violation.
# {{userlinks|Huaiwei}} is banned for one week for edit warring.
# Huaiwei is also banned from editing any category page related to China, and from adding or removing any category related to China from any article related to China. Huaiwei may be blocked for up to one week per violation without further warning.
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User:Instantnood (separate issues from below request)

Instantnood (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee-imposed "probation" and "general probation". The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3 (see also Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 2). Remedies for his behavior include time based bans from all of Misplaced Pages, article based bans, and, any three administrators may agree to impose a permanent ban from all of Misplaced Pages.

Disputed behaviour did not cease when asked to stop without using dispute resolution User_talk:Instantnood#Revert.2C_hello.3F, and other messages left by other users. An extension to his ArbCom penalties was requested. The reverts did not stop during, or now immediately after: Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 4. ArbCom declined to create a new sanction and prefers the remedies of article bans and site bans, potentially including an indefinite site ban with the support of any three administrators.

In order to understand the seriousness and ArbCom sanctions him you have to understand Instantnood. He games the system to stay under any revert limit but he carries on the same revert war for years which is what makes ignoring him disruptive to those trying to maintain consistency. He makes a few reverts to an article once a week or once a month to what he prefers then leaves it for a bit and returns after the disruption has died down to do it again. His edits singularly enforce his POV and his edits are usually minor changes to categories, templates, intro, etc that change the presentation of articles. Changes to templates and categories can affect hundreds of articles at a time. He often makes changes to two templates/categories, each individually looks like a minor content change but together he has re-classified something entirely the opposite of what it was.

In every ArbCom case, and every excuse for enforcement, he always argues about why his content is right, and he seemingly ignores or is entirely oblivious to his behavior. It is his behavior that is sanctioned. Time base blocks on Instantnood do not work, as soon as the block is over he will return to reverting. Given his method of making disruptive reverts, then leaving the article alone, the time based block is ineffective - he would have left it alone anyways. He needs to be blocked from editing these articles using the {{userarticleban}}.

The following diffs show the offending behavior
the majority of his edits over the last week are content reverts based on his solo crusades. For offending behavior, I offer his entire contrib history for the last week, since Lunar New Year (Displays as Feb 18 or 19 in his contrib list depending on your time zone).
Revert warring on policy/guideline pages is particularly disruptive. This revert now goes on for years. In this case he was making this revert in 2005, after long heated discussions with many participants this sentence/phrase was removed. Nood restored it repeatedly and was banned from editing this page for a year, and on expiration of the page ban, he made the exact same revert.
Remedy: Page ban.  Confirmed Thatcher131 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The following list of articles contain general revert warring, generally without discussion, anywhere from 2 to 10 reverts in a few days. Alternatively, they contain particularly egregious examples of POV re-organization which his ArbCom sanction also prohibits. This is only a list from the last week and is incomplete. The worse examples are bolded. He should be page banned from each.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SchmuckyTheCat (talk • contribs)

Analysis

Instantnood has edit warred at all the articles and categories listed above, including many violations of his 1 revert per day parole imposed by admin Eagle 101 (talk) on 8 December 2006, see here. Many of these edit wars involve categorization of articles and categories. Instantnood specifically targets category changes made by Huaiwei, even if they were days or weeks earlier, showing that Instantnood is specifically tracking and reverting Huaiwei.

Huaiwei has edit warred. The changes he makes may or may not be in good faith. However, when Instantnood reverts, Huaiwei edit wars rather than seeking other forms of assistance.

Remedies
  1. Instantnood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for one month for persistent edit warring, violating his 1RR parole, and wikistalking of Huaiwei's edits.
  2. Instantnood is banned from editing any category page related to China, including but not limited to its history, culture, territories and disputed territories.
  3. Instantnood is banned from adding or removing any category related to China from any article related to China. He may be blocked without further warning for up to a week for each violation.
  4. Huaiwei (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for one week for edit warring.
  5. Huaiwei is also banned from editing any category page related to China, and from adding or removing any category related to China from any article related to China. Huaiwei may be blocked for up to one week per violation without further warning.

Thatcher131 01:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Huaiwei and User:Instantnood

Huaiwei (talk · contribs) and Instantnood (talk · contribs) are both under Arbitration Committee-imposed "probation" and "general probation". The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3 (see also Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 2).

I in particular draw your attention to:

  • Huaiwei rescopes and recategorises "Mainland China" stub template to "People's Republic of China", ignoring (lack of) outcome of earlier discussion at WP:SFD on the scope of this stub type.
  • Instantnood reverts this three times in total, including twice in two hours (on these occasions with another editor not under such probation) , , despite an AC enforcement item by an admin claiming to limit him to 1RR. Given that each of these edits recategorises and rescopes about 900 different articles, I'd say all of this constitutes "disruption".
  • Instantnood rescopes {{China-road-stub}} from "People's Republic of China" to "Mainland China", without any prior participation in the discussion of this at WP:WSS/P.

(The potential for significant disruption, and not to say pointless server load, by editing stub templates is precisely why we have WP:WSS/P and WP:SFD for discussing these naming and scoping issues, and while they're not technically obligatory, editors under probation would be well-advised to pay them some heed.)

Summation

I propose to institute page-bans on both at {{China-geo-stub}}, and at Instantnood {{China-road-stub}}, with a view to extending this to any other stub templates and stub categories similar disruption occurs on. (I mention this in advance here only in the interests of full disclosure.) I invite discussion of whether either (or both) should be site-banned for a period for edit-warring over the totality of their behaviour as manifest over this series of articles, templates and categories.

Reported by: Alai 05:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Add {{China-struct-stub}} . SchmuckyTheCat 05:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. Yes, on both, per -geo-. (H. first, and IN sustainedly.) Other editors weighing in too. I'd protect that as an "HRT", but I'd rather not be accused (again) of improperly favouring a particular version. I suggest we take the scoping issue back to WP:SFD, and if that doesn't produce a clear consensus, to WP:DRV. Alai 05:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The scope of {{China-geo-stub}} as decided by consensus was mainland China. The same is the case for {{China-struct-stub}}. It would have been fine if user:Huaiwei were willing to propose and seek consensus from the community first, before going straight to edit according to his preference. User:SchmuckyTheCat, although no longer under probation (as he tactically stayed himself away from problematic edits during the course of the third case), knows very well too about what has been going on. Since I was not the person creating trouble to {{China-geo-stub}} and {{China-struct-stub}}, and I was merely trying to halt attempts to avoid discussion and consensus building, I don't think it is necessary to ban me from editing the templates. I don't even edit the templates (cf. edit history records of the two templates) unless there is attempt to not following consensus established. — Instantnood 07:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
As for {{China-road-stub}}, I've explained in details to user:Alai on why I have rescoped it. To repeat briefly, i) user:Alai said " upmerged " in the edit summary when he recreated the template, and I supposed it was recreation of the previously deleted template bearing the same title, therefore following the original scope of the old template, ii) the template applied (and applies, and will apply) only to roads in mainland China, and iii) the scope user:Alai had chosen did not go in line with what was decided for similar stub types, namely {{China-geo-stub}} and {{China-struct-stub}}, by consensus.

Since user:Alai has insisted to have his preference prevails, and since the template is still at proposal stage at WP:WSS/P, I'll leave it as it is until a clear decision is made through consensus at WP:WSS/P. Meanwhile I'd also like to take this opportunity to urge wikipedians to decide scopes of stub types according to structures of comparable existing stub types. — Instantnood 07:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not about content, it's about behavior. You will not stop reverting and you do not discuss and that pattern has continued for 2½ years now. You also say "I'll leave it as it is until a clear decision is made" and your very next edit is to change the scope of one of the mentioned stubs AGAIN. SchmuckyTheCat 15:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Osli73

Osli73 (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction. Effective Oct. 21, 2006, the user is under revert parole and probation for one year for edit warring at the Srebrenica Massacre article. The final decision in his case is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Kosovo#Involved_parties

After his being sanctioned, the user continued aggressive edit warring at the Srebrenica Massacre article under the sockpuppet KarlXII. After being exposed for using a sockpuppet, the user as Osli73 has continued to violate the terms of his parole which states that the user is "limited to one revert per article per week". All violations reported here are at the Srebrenica Massacre article.

The following diffs show examples of the offending behavior

Osli73 made the same revert 6 times in an 8 day period: Feb. 19, Feb. 18, Feb. 12, Feb. 12, Feb.11, Feb. 11

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=109268846&oldid=109214494
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=109151310&oldid=109016423
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=107677280&oldid=107676953
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=107533765&oldid=107531574
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=107317225&oldid=107292804
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=107214563&oldid=107160737


Osli73 made two reverts in a 3 day period deleting the same sentence Feb. 11, Feb. 9

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=107423607
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=106923855

Here, Osli73 admits that KarlXII was his sockpuppet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:El_C&diff=prev&oldid=108050155

Here is one of many examples of the user edit warring with the sockpuppet KarlXII. KarlXII made the same reverts to the Srebrenica Massacre intro 5 times in 3 days: Dec. 16, Dec. 18, Dec. 15, Dec. 15, and Dec. 15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=95058246
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=94679996
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=94579838
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=94579364
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Srebrenica_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=94559356
Summation

From his statements, Osli73 has shown that he fully understands the restrictions placed upon him. From his actions, he has shown that he is not willing to abide by those restrictions.

Reported by: Fairview360 16:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Hkelkar

Hkelkar (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for sockpuppeteering etc. The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar.

The following diffs show the offending behavior
Special:Contributions/128.83.131.122 Wikistalking other users, etc.
Anons Special:Contributions/128.83.131.123 Continuing edit wars from previous sock User:India Rising. Disruption is ongoing through other following anons
Summation

Aksi_great indicated at that User:Hkelkar a.k.a User:Rumpelstiltskin223, User:India Rising and so on was also using open proxies and IP Special:Contributions/128.83.131.122

Following IPs (and probably others in the range) observed being interchangeably used on similar articles: Special:Contributions/128.83.131.123 Special:Contributions/128.83.131.124 Special:Contributions/128.83.131.130 Special:Contributions/128.83.131.131 Special:Contributions/128.83.131.139

Reported by: --IslesCape 00:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

apparently someone else, because one of the above IPs (128.83.131.123) have been reverting its edits. --IslesCape 12:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
If someone can put a name to him I can file a checkuser request, but just saying "it's someone from the Hkelkar case" is too much of a fishing trip. Thatcher131 12:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Ed Poor

Ed Poor (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for disruption. The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2#Ed_Poor_placed_on_Probation.

Ed Poor has taken to disrupting Global Warming-related articles again, the locus of his previous disruption that prompted the arbcom ruling.

The following diffs show the offending behavior
Ed here replaces a passage and link properly detailing the wide scientific consensus on climate change with a passage that gives undue weight to the minority and fringe view. This corresponds to:Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2/Proposed_decision#Ed_Poor_has_engaged_in_tendentious_editing
Ed unilaterally moved List of scientists who dispute the anthropogenic global warming theory, a hotly debated topic, to List of scientists opposing the global warming consensus without prior notification or discussion. This resulted in mass disruption at the article: Talk:List_of_scientists_opposing_the_global_warming_consensus#Too_bold.2C_too_soon Ed's move was described as a new "new low" by User:Stephan Schulz : Unilateral page moves corresponds to :Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2/Proposed_decision#Disruptive_behavior

Taken with his recent disruption of intelligent design-related articles, his return to disrupting the topic that prompted his probation, and unwillingness to move on and edit another less controversial areas of Misplaced Pages, I doubt anything short of a block will get his attention.

Reported by: FeloniousMonk 00:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

There certainly does seem to be an attention deficit regarding the outcome and related admonishments of his RFA; I'm not sure that a simple block will be effective in correcting the disorder. &#0149;Jim62sch&#0149; 00:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The user's response at User talk:Ed Poor#Move of List of scientists opposing global warming consensus states a willingness to respect consensus. Hopefully this is a sincere statement of his intentions and the incidents discussed above do not presage a return to the behavior that resulted in sanctions in the past, as a pattern of such behavior could lead to severe enforcement action in light of the user's overall record. No action taken for now, but I will draw the user's attention to this complaint. In the event of further problems, return to this noticeboard and mention this complaint and the warning. Newyorkbrad 00:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not so sure that his outward appearance of reasonableness isn't carefully calculated, particularly given his history. He's continuing to make some dubious contributions: FeloniousMonk 01:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I already deleted that, the moment someone pointed out to me that it wasn't regarded as helpful. You know, it would be nicer if you'd simply tell me what's wrong with an edit, instead of immediately pushing for "enforcement". If you want a certain type of thing discussed first, you need only tell me. --Uncle Ed 01:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me add that I'm satisfied with Ed's later handling of the page move, though I still find the original move rather imprudent.--Stephan Schulz 23:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Ed, you and I both know that once you're on probation it's the case that you've already had plenty of warnings leading up that and that no further warnings are necessary. The fact that you are continuing to disrupt Global_warming_controversy and Talk:Global_warming_controversy#Temperature in the intro after yesterday's warning is sufficient grounds for immediate blocking. I do wish you'd move along and leave alone the articles where you earned your probation and find a quiet little uncontroversial corner of Misplaced Pages to contribute to quietly. Doing so would be a fine demonstration of your good faith and go a long way to reestablishing the community's trust. FeloniousMonk 23:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Further to this is his gratuitous and disruptive insertion of redlinks and an ill-considered tagging episode in Global warming controversy. Taken individually any of these incidents wouldn't be so noteworthy. But now (in just a day or two) we see multiple instances of doing things arbitrarily and then offering a "Who me? Oh, sorry about that" defense when called to account. Raymond Arritt 23:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the page move, in my opinion Ed's apologies are rather meaningless since he knew full well there were significant objections to moving the page. He participated in a discussion about such a move which began 30 July 2006 (see discussion) as well as another discussion on whether there exists a consensus, in response to Ed's POV edits, on 3 August 2006 (see discussion). In addition to the page move, he has also continued to put his POV in the article itself (diff).
That said, I'm not really offended by the "Temperature in the intro" discussion referenced above. Adding redlinks is a bit annoying but I wouldn't call it disruptive (unless this was a big issue in the past?).
A minor note: FeloniousMonk seems to have stated it backwards above but his point is correct. Ed moved the page from its longstanding title, List of scientists opposing global warming consensus, to List of scientists who dispute the anthropogenic global warming theory (diff) and then attempted to move it back, but couldn't and instead moved it to List of scientists opposing the global warming consensus. See discussion. I apologize if some of these discussion links are broken, but as I write this the talk pages are still messed up from Ed's moves. --Nethgirb 02:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I want to make my apology more meaningful: If FeloniousMonk, Raymond Arritt or Nethgirb wishes, I will refrain from editing any article they name for any period they choose (up to six weeks). Fair enough? --Uncle Ed 11:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your offer. I do not really want to have that power, and would prefer to leave it up to the ArbCom or administrators. As a personal suggestion I think you would do fine if you just discuss changes on the talk page first, and think critically about your edits and make sure that statements (or implications) that you add are backed up by reliable sources which you cite. --Nethgirb 12:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree mostly with Nethgirb. Ed, I think you're sincere about wanting to do better. But your repeat offenses across a long period of time and a broad range of article space -- global warming, intelligent design, etc. -- suggest that you just can't help yourself. A very wise man once said "Lead us not into temptation." Maybe you could find some uncontroversial topics related to, say, music, hobbies, and so on where you could contribute without being tempted to go overboard. You're obviously a smart guy and can make useful contributions to Misplaced Pages. Raymond Arritt 03:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Ed, this isn't let's make a deal; you're on arbcom probation. Either abide by it or not, the choice rests with you, as does the responsibility for failing to comply. FeloniousMonk 05:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Between apologies Ed has been busy translating Jonathan Wells (intelligent design advocate) into Weaselish. "Wells rejects evolution" suddenly became "Wells questions the teaching of evolution in a way that implies outright rejection" in Ed's idea of neutral editing for example, among other interesting ditties: Is this Ed's idea of a 'meaningful apology'? 151.151.73.171 22:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can deleted my latest series of changes, and no one objects on the talk page, that tells me something. I'm going to avoid touching that article for the rest of the month. --Uncle Ed 02:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest you avoid it altogether moving forward considering you were falling over yourself apologizing here with one hand while making the clearly biased edits at the Wells article with the other. Again, arbcom probation is not let's make a deal. And your faux naif questions while arguing for elevating the views ID proponents to being on par with that of the scientific community which outright rejects ID at Wells article over the last few days is precisely one of the activities named as evidence of tendentious editing in your RFAR that eventually landed you here. Now if you think you can with a few strategically-placed apologies (while still making blatantly biased edits) game the system to side-step your probation, I don't think you'll get too far with that. FeloniousMonk 05:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Your statement is long on emotional language but short on substance, I think. The Arbcom ruling is in place because this has been an ongoing problem, and previous efforts to resolve it have failed. Are you really suggesting we start over from scratch and treat it like a fresh problem each time? To do that would be to say that Arbcom sanctions are meaningless. Friday (talk) 19:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a controversial geezer myself but I have mediated Uncler Ed before and would be happy to do so again, SqueakBox 19:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Whoever's interesting in talking this over is free to do so, of course - please, go ahead. And those who are interested in seeking enforcement of existing remedies are free to do that, of course. If the talkers are very successful, the enforcers won't be needed. But it's silly IMO to suggest that talking is the only appropriate way to deal with this- the sanctions exist for a reason. Friday (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying talking is the only way to deal with it. To put it bluntly, I'm saying you should try to talk to them before you cluebat them. ✎ Peter M Dodge (Talk to Me) 19:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Uh, this was the cluebat. The instructions 'Arbitration Committee decisions are the last stop of dispute resolution. ArbCom has already decided that certain types of behavior by these users is not constructive to our purpose of building an encyclopedia. If you participate on this page you should be prepared to mete out potentially long term bans and you should expect reactive behavior from those banned.' make that clear. 151.151.73.164 22:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, the talking doesn't seem to be successful. Despite his previous pledge to not disrupt a certain set of articles, Ed Poor is back a week later violating WP:POINT at the same articles: Adding a biased intro to Intelligent design: Reverting self: 4 edits that ignore and misrepresent sources to an article that was just made a Featured Article!: I'm interested in reading Ed's explanation for how these do not violate WP:POINT. 151.151.21.102 18:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted all my changes to SlimVirgin. Fair enough? --Uncle Ed 18:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
For the record: ? 151.151.21.102 19:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Please note that I wrote On 2nd thought, maybe the burden of proof is on me. Hmm.. in my Edit summary.
If anyone, even an anon who won't sign in, feels I've made a disruptive edit, I am willing to self-revert. Come on, guys, work with me here. You don't have to paint me as the bad guy. Just tell me what you want me to do. You want me to propose all me edits to ID before making them? If so, say so. --Uncle Ed 21:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The best advice given so far is that you stay away from controversial topics altogether, since you are continually doing things that you later regret. Raymond Arritt 22:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Fowler&fowler user:IP198

Suspected sock/meatpuppet of user:Fowler&fowler. This user has edited in the same articles as Fowler&fowler (see here, here, here and here). He is being used by fowler to have me trapped into 3RR in Indian mathematics, an article I worked hard on but every single one of my edits (including citations from the Univ of Michigan etc.) get removed. Not only has this user been accused of being Fowler's sockpuppet, he has also reverted my edits to Fowler -- see here and here. I'm getting tired and in just a bit I'll either have to get caught in the 3RR or see my work removed belligerently in Indian mathematics. Please help urgently. Freedom skies| talk  04:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

this anon account was formed on 22 February 2007. It has attacked Indian mathematics twice. Fowler had been working on the same "Charges of Eurocentrism" aspect of the article which can be verified here. I'll almost certainly have to watch my hard work go to waste or incur the 3RR. Freedom skies| talk  04:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Which arbitration case is this related to? Thatcher131 13:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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