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Fabrication implies 100% of the book is made-up, but the description, on the same page no less, literally says the opposite. ] (]) 22:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC) Fabrication implies 100% of the book is made-up, but the description, on the same page no less, literally says the opposite. ] (]) 22:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:Fake, fabrication, forgery, counterfeit, falsification, sham, fraud, hoax, phony, makey-uppy - whatever word you want to use, it's a vile antisemitic document that is not what it purports to be, and has been used by racists for much too long to create an inaccurate and inflammatory portrait of Jews and Judaism. It's unfortunate -- and depressing -- to think that some people still believe in it even today. ] (]) 22:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Herzl and Zionism

"The text, which nowhere advocates for Zionism, resembles a parody of Herzl's ideas". It has to be one or the other; doesn't it? To parody ideas you usually have to present them, even if ironically. --Nngnna (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Fabrication not forgery

Suggestion that every instance of the word "forgery" on this page should be replaced by the word 'fabrication'. A forgery is a copy of an original, or at least in the style of an original, which in this case is false and tremendously pernicious. illywhacker; (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

It's been referred to as a "forgery" by reliable sources for over a century. --jpgordon 13:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
The choice of word has been discussed a great deal, check the archives of this page. I don't agree that "forgery" implies there is an original. For example if I make a painting in the style of Rembrandt and try to pass it off as a genuine newly-discovered Rembrandt, that will be called art forgery by almost everyone. It doesn't have to be a copy of a real Rembrandt. The key aspect of forgery is to create something that is not what you say it is. Of course "fabrication" is also a true description, but we aren't going to change the word without another discussion and we have had several of those already. Zero 14:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
I did say "or at least in the style of". This document is a forgery 'in the style of' which genuine articles or creator? However, I do not have the time or the energy to enter into a discussion; so be it. illywhacker; (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
watch your tone, no need to be rude ZetaFive (talk) 01:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Forgery for over 100 years..now a fabrication...even though parts of it aren't

Fabrication implies 100% of the book is made-up, but the description, on the same page no less, literally says the opposite. 2601:140:8400:36C0:429:D241:4DFF:B9B1 (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Fake, fabrication, forgery, counterfeit, falsification, sham, fraud, hoax, phony, makey-uppy - whatever word you want to use, it's a vile antisemitic document that is not what it purports to be, and has been used by racists for much too long to create an inaccurate and inflammatory portrait of Jews and Judaism. It's unfortunate -- and depressing -- to think that some people still believe in it even today. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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