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Trentino-South Tyrol

Hi Lar, I'm just curious, how's the progress on the Trentino-South Tyrol mediation? Best regards, Markussep 20:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

not good! I need to buckle down and do all the reading needed. I do mean to do some work on this but have not made enough progress to even summarise the issues yet. Sorry for the delay. ++Lar: t/c 20:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's a fast reply! If you need some help just let me know. Things seem pretty quiet around South Tyrol lately, apart from the occasional vandals who remove either the Italian or the German names from the articles. Markussep 20:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I could definitely use some help. If you're ever on IRC maybe we could plan out how best to do that. ++Lar: t/c 12:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

IRC 'fraid not, I'm pretty busy in the real world, so I'd rather just discuss ideas on your or my talk pages. IMO we can split the topic into three main issues: how to name the region, how to name the province/area, and how to name places/objects in the province. For the former 2 there could be sufficient usage in English, which is the most relevant IMO. For the places/objects I think the solution found at Talk:Communes of South Tyrol is a good starting point, might need some fine tuning. Do you know which naming conventions apply here? Markussep 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, those three areas of division on the issues sound good. I don't yet have a clear understanding of which naming conventions do apply. thanks for your help... ++Lar: t/c 17:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The most interesting guideline for this topic is this one IMO: Misplaced Pages:Naming conflict. Some applicable naming conventions etc.:

• Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions
• Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (common names)
• Misplaced Pages:Naming policy poll
• Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English)

For what it's worth, I did some of the tests described in Misplaced Pages:Naming_conflict#Identification_of_common_names_using_external_references for the region and the province:

• Region
  • Google test: Trentino-Alto Adige 1.2M, Trentino-South Tyrol 79k, Trentino-Südtirol 14k.
  • Google news: Trentino-South Tyrol and Trentino-Südtirol 0, Trentino-Alto Adige 4.
  • Other encyclopedias: Columbia Trentino–Alto Adige, Britannica Trentino–Alto Adige, Encarta Trentino–Alto Adige.
• Province
  • Google test: Alto Adige 369k, South Tyrol 494k, Südtirol 305k, Province of Bolzano 25k, Bolzano province 0.5k, Bozen province 0.06k, Province of Bozen 0.5k. The results for Alto Adige and Südtirol include clearly German and Italian language pages.
  • Google news: South Tyrol 18, Südtirol 2, Alto Adige 18.
  • Other encyclopedias: Columbia doesn't have a separate article for the province, but the articles Trentino–Alto Adige and Tyrol use "Bolzano province", same for Britannica, Trentino–Alto Adige and Bolzano use "provincia of Bolzano-Bozen", same for Encarta, Bolzano uses Bolzano Province.

I'd say that there is clear common usage for Trentino-Alto Adige, but for the province it's less clear. Markussep 19:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige

I see that no traction has been made in the mediation process. Just thought you should know...

I did some research and checked with some pretty credible sources as to what they print, in ENGLISH, for the name of this region (and province) in Italy.

• Fodor's - a well recognized and respected name (and expert guide) has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Michelin - also expert in travel guides - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bozen".

• Rand McNally (name speaks for itself) has world, regional, and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Streetwise Map's regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Dorling Kindersley or "DK" - by far, probably the best travel guides available - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Lonely Planet (the self-proclaimed largest independently-owned travel guide) regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Hammond Map - a subsidiary of Langenscheidt Publishing Group (a privately-held German publishing company) - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

As far as proof, I am quite sure that the above sources are credible enough, especially in the sense of geographical knowledge, expertise, and English-translation. Rarelibra 03:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige

Hello Lar, just wanted to check with you if you were still going to be able to (eventually) help us come up with a naming convention. My regards, Taalo 18:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes i very much want to help with this and realise it's been a while, which I'm sorry about. Rarelibra provided some data, above, that might be relevant to this. ++Lar: t/c 18:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Great! Note my only concern was that you might not have time, etc. Is there anything a few of us (on both sides of the argument) can help in the grunt work? regards, Taalo 20:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

An old contibutor is back

Hi Lar

Sorry to bother you with this, but it looks like Commanche CPH has returned, this time as an IP account. The same IP edited his own userpage months ago and he has already started smearing both User:Inge and myself in both cases accusing us of POV-pushing (see the edit history of Normans and my talk page.) Do you have any good suggestions? Valentinian 08:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems highly likely to me that User:Comanche cph is back editing under User:194.255.124.250 contributions. Problems have started arising sourounding the usual topics and several warnings have been issued from multiple users, among other thing for two cases of vandalising a user page history of that page. I really don't want us to have to go through that old mess one more time... What do you suggest? Inge 11:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Whoops! Now I see others too look to you for help in this matter. I used the + button. Sorry for duplicating the above post. Just delete mine if you want. Inge 11:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries and need to delete. I just squished the threads together :) I will take a look but it may be a while before I get to it. For faster results, if it's urgent and ongoing, you may want to write this up at the Administrators noticeboard, using the info you've both presented here. Meanwhile I'd suggest just remaining calm and collegial as you have been. And, meanwhile... by all means if the material the IP is leaving on your talk pages is objectionable you ought to feel free to just revert it away without comment. Sorry if that's not more immediate help. I will look at this in a few hours and if it's as bad as you say and the IP isn't already blocked, the IP will be shortly, regardless of whether it's Comanche_CPH or not. ++Lar: t/c 12:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in out of nowhere, but Valentinian and Inge left me a note about this particular IP, too. I reverted a vandalism edit done to Valentinian's page and he noticed I was an admin, too. Do you mind if I defer to you for resolution about this to you since I'm not familiar with Comanche cph? -- Gogo Dodo 18:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. I'll look into it. ++Lar: t/c 00:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Lar. Terribly sorry about not noticing that Gogo Dodo had referred this one to you. I've left a few more details on Gogo's talk page which you mind find interesting. Best. Valentinian 22:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries about that... I have been looking at this IP's contribs, but haven't actually done anything yet... will try to either tonite or early tomorrow morning. Do you know if anyone has yet written this up at WP:RFCU or WP:AN/I??? the CU may not be doable, the edits from Comanche are stale I think, they need to be in the last 30 days. ++Lar: t/c 00:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Pattern of edits matches comanche_cph (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log), I agree. No need for a check user. Rolf is a dead giveaway. However, here's the funny thing... Comanche is not currently blocked and could edit if he wanted to. So if this IP gets blocked it would not be for sock-ery, it would be for the vandalism, tendentiousness, and trolling... Right now this IP is at "last warning" so I'll watch and will act if needed. Ping me if I'm not on the ball about it. Thanks for the research. ++Lar: t/c 00:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

PS (again) note that some of this IP's edits are at least OK... for example the edit to Laudrup. It had spelling mistakes and non native english word choices but was a sound edit. That was the last edit from that IP. ++Lar: t/c 00:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to find a solution to this. I got a preatty good hunch as to who we were dealing with after the edit summary to this diff. I had not been warned by anyone of such a thing except from Comanche when he got fed up with the warnings he got. The edits to Once Upon a Time in the West aren't too bad either if they are correct. This fits in with the same old pattern. The Comanche acount also gave some usable edits, but the disruption isn't worth it in my view. It ranges from this to this and just isn't helpful. (I feel this essay might have some good points.) Inge 00:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for 24h. his talk and Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#IP_194.255.124.250.2C_possible_sock_of_User:Comanche_cph. Let's see if that does the trick. If not, we'll block for longer I am sure. It's an anon only block, so Comanche (or whoever) can still log in and edit. ++Lar: t/c 14:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Terribly sorry to waste your time with this nonsense. I hope you're right but I wouldn't bet good money on it. We know for a fact that the IP is 1) interested in the definition of Scandinavia, 2) ditto in the story about Hrolf Ganger / Rollo, 3) resents Inge and me and smears us both, and 4) speaks Danish. All in all, there is no reason to doubt that it isn't indeed Comanche. The Danish community on this Misplaced Pages is very small, and the pattern isn't even close to fitting anybody else. If he continues to mess with my user page, I'll ask somebody to semi protect it. Btw, I reserve the right to remove the more trollish comments from my talk page. As I understand policy, doing so is allowed, if it isn't please drop me a note. Have a nice weekend. Valentinian 17:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

We tend to block IPs for shorter times due to the collateral damage aspects. We can reblock if necessary. If your userpage is messed with further I'll be happy to semiprotect, just let me know. It certainly is allowed by policy. ++Lar: t/c 17:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Pattern recurred so I reblocked, a week this time, anon only, account creation not prevented. ++Lar: t/c 04:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Pattern recurred, plus penis vandalism, so I reblocked, this time for a month. As before, anon only, account creation not prevented. ++Lar: t/c 18:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Response from EnglishEfternamn (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log)

You cannot just follow me around, attack me personally, blanket revert all my painstaking editing work, and just feel you can intimidate me any time you want. I am reporting administrator abuse to the noticeboard.--- EnglishEfternamn _contribs 01:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I always welcome review of my actions, and usually post there myself after a block. ++Lar: t/c 01:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, you can find a solicitation for review of my actions (after a block, as it turns out), on this WP:ANI thread. ++Lar: t/c 03:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

EnglishEfternamn and WP:POINT

Hi Lar. I've just reported EnglishEfternamn to the administrators' noticeboard because of his unrelenting violation of WP:POINT . His last two edits to the socialism article ( ), in which he again replaced all American English spellings with British English spellings for no reason, were the final straw for me. I thought that you'd like to comment given your involvement with him. -- WGee 02:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Very thorough report (see just above, you've done his work for him as he was just about to complain there, apparently) I will comment on AN/I. ++Lar: t/c 02:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help! I especially appreciate that you are willing to monitor him after the block expires. -- WGee 04:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Notification of posting on WP:AN/I

This is a notification: I am just letting you know that I have just reported you on the administrator noticeboard for actions I have found to be adminisrator abuse. Take this time to talk in your own defense, etc. Have a good evening. EnglishEfternamn _contribs 04:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw that, thanks for letting me know. I also saw the response to it. I also saw the response to the original report by WGee. (note that you probably should have followed up instead of starting a new thread.. following our norms gets people to think better of you in the long run) It, to me anyway, looks like consensus is there that the block was in order, since no one spoke out critisising my actions (extraordinarily patient was one of the phrases used to describe them, as I recall). Hopefully you will take the feedback on board going forward and be a more productive contributor. ++Lar: t/c 15:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Further disruptions

EnglishEfternamn is not off to a good start since his block has expired . -- WGee 04:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I saw your message on his talk as well. If I may advise, just point out the issues with the edits and leave the "or you will be blocked" out. I think he gets that point now. I've tried offering to help him be a better editor if he wants the help, so we'll see. ++Lar: t/c 12:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Since he relapsed into his disruptive behaviour immediately after the block expired, I was not convinced that he understood the consequences. But for now, you're right that I should be less confrontational in my messages to him, though sometimes I betray my frustration. -- WGee 17:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

WGee, I have found that that is the goal of most users who practice such disruption--to bait you into "betraying your frustration". (I speak from experience, having "lost it" once myself when dealing with this particular user). 172 gave some good advice] when he said "Don't abuse yourself by responding" to pure disruption. Just relax, count to 10 and keep your discussion on topic and he'll move on or be dealt with by an admin.-- 22:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not ready to write this user off, just yet, but what is great about that advice, WilliamThweatt, is that it doesn't violate the assumption of good faith, it works just as well whether someone is, or isn't, disrupting on purpose. So I sure do endorse it! ++Lar: t/c 22:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I've received some good advice from all of you recently. Thanks. -- WGee 02:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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admin irc channel

I see you can give me an invite to the IRC admin channel? What do I need to do to get that from you? Thanks -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I need to validate you are who you say you are. There are several ways. Catch me on IRC and we'll discuss further. ++Lar: t/c 03:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

What is the best way to do that? what channel are you on most? what is your IRC nick? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 22:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

All my nicks start with Lar. find me when I'm around, as you did, is the best way. ++Lar: t/c 22:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your Great Work!

The Working Man's Barnstar For your all around Great Work, I, FloNight, hereby award you with The Working Man's Barnstar. Misplaced Pages would not exist without the work of dedicated volunteers like you! FloNight 06:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the different items on your talk page, it is obvious that you are a valued Wikipedian, as an Fantastic Article Writer and knowledgeable Administrator. But that just begins to scratch the surface regarding the important work you do. Several Wikiprojects benefit from your time and effort. Additionally you are active in assisting users by answering their questions about IRC, images, and many other topics. And you are also active on Commons, OTRS, and Meta. Lar, your work is Truly making a difference and helping make possible my dream to make all knowledge free to the world. Have a Great Day :) Take care, FloNight 06:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Beatles Newsletter 010...

...is ready for your contribution re "This May Be The Last (Beatle) Newsletter You Will Ever Receive" list thingy. Then sending. lummee, if its 'im then it must be... 22:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It may be a day before I get to do the delivery on this one (if you guys haven't quite sorted out how to do it yet.. :) ++Lar: t/c 03:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

No, us guys have not sorted this out... I have left a space at the end of Project News if you want to say anything about the removing of people from the mailing list; otherwise it is ready to go. If you don't want to say anything just delete it. I really would be grateful if it could be done by the end of this weekend (?!). LessHeard vanU 21:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC) "I would hassle Jimbo if I thought it would get things done..."

I'll see what I can do about delivering it soon. I put the explanation about the lists and pruning and suchlike in where you left me the spot for it, cheers for that. I also fiddled with the column widths a bit to make it balanced and tweaked a word here and there. Who's lead? you need to sort that before it goes. I say you, I detect your hand in it strongly (the bit about not getting a nFish was a dead giveaway, mate...) so unless you sort it, I'll just stick you with it just before delivery (maniacal cackle) ++Lar: t/c 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

On a serious note, I really do not like the appellation Lead. I've just put the editors in the order in which they contributed. If other editors are so lazyx as to let me wibble on... Oh, and thanks (yet again)! LessHeard vanU 22:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair'nuff mate. ++Lar: t/c 22:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

New Notification

Please go here. You may be pleasantly surprised.-- EnglishEfternamn _contribs 03:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw it, and I was indeed pleasantly surprised. I will comment, if those comments would be welcomed... ++Lar: t/c 03:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick question, Redvers stated in the edit review that my block record and history or disputes does not preclude adminship. Does this mean I can never become an administrator?-- EnglishEfternamn _contribs 20:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it does not mean that. (wiktionary:Preclude may shed some light) What it does mean though is that you have some history to overcome first. You certainly can become an admin with a block record, people have started out in a rocky fashion and gone on to be admins, but you have to work harder than if you didn't have some of that in your past history. If you truly do turn things around to where you get lots of people giving you barnstars and praise... heck, I'd nom you myself. But you have a far road to travel first, I think. It's doable, but it will take thoughtfulness. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweden page

I would take a look at the history of the Sweden page. In the past few days, there has been a pretty considerable wave of WP:vandalism against it; this is making it very difficult for serious editors to contribute. I don't know if this is the right way to ask you, but do you think protecting the page would be a good idea? -- EnglishEfternamn _contribs 00:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

We tend to only protect if the vandalism is egregious. See above on my talk page, we have had some incidents in the past. I'd say if you spot what is clear vandalism (and not a content dispute) you should revert it yourself... Valentinian is very aware of this page and is a good person to rely on to tell where a good spot to revert to is. There does seem to be a fair bit of IP vandalism though. Perhaps a semiprotect might be warranted for a little while so I gave it 12 hours, let's see if that helps. As always my actions are subject to review. The "proper" place to have brought this would be the requests for page protection page, but I've had some awareness of problems on Sweden before, so this should be fine too. Hope that helps, happy editing. ++Lar: t/c 01:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

MedCab case

Hey Lar, what is the status of this case? --Ideogram 14:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Stuck in the evidence phase, because I'm a slacker... I get periodic nudges, see above in my talk... I do intend to address it soon, honest. (but have said that before). ++Lar: t/c 14:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Grove Dictionary

Have emailed you ref: access. - Foxhill 15:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I got it. You're aces. Will NOT hand this out to ANYONE, that's for you to do. ++Lar: t/c 16:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

More of Comanche's vandalism

I can see that you've already been there but I've had it with Comanche's vandal-only IP. I'm getting more and more convinced that his "Laudrup" edit was the only sane thing that came out of that account. To top everything off, his last message to my talk page is Danish for "suck daddy's cock"., and apparently he must find his behaviour amusing. And this edit to Inge's page means: "I've brought joy to your life. Without me you wouldn't have met your best friend, Valentinian. Love". Comanche's sole purpose on Misplaced Pages seems to be smearing me; one day by calling me a Catholic and pissing at my religion, the other day by calling me gay. What procedure do I have to go through to get that IP nuked permanently? Valentinian 20:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there an edit I missed that needs reverting? I thought I got them all. As for the block length... It's at a month now, if there is a next time I block, it will be permanently. He left a little gift on my page too... He's not very bright, though, unless he's into some weird things, as my mother has been dead for quite some time. I just don't get why an anon is being used, Comanche isn't blocked!!! Don't let it get to you, you're a valuable contributor... and thanks for the calming words in the recent content discussions on Sweden with EnglishEfternamn... ++Lar: t/c 20:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, one of my good friends lost her mother today. Thanks for the other remark. Comanche's behaviour is very irrational, but I guess he must have lost his password or accidentally reset it. Anyway, you shouldn't feel the least guilty about blocking Danish IPs. A few years ago, Danish ISPs tried to make customers pay a few more bucks for getting a fixed IP but it was a complete failure. Effectively, everybody got a fixed IP address for free whether we asked for it or not, and from the looks of it, Comanche's ISP (Telia) must have the same policy. I have removed the edit you missed, but I'll do an extra check. Valentinian 21:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Which one(s) did I miss? I did not revert any talk page comments, only article edits because I tend not to ever revert anything from my talk and figure others can make the call themselves (or not). Heck, I may put mine back :) (although it was thoughtful of Bishonen to spot it and revert... guess she knew what it meant too) ++Lar: t/c 21:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about the edits to the two talk pages. I've taken the liberty of also removing the crap on Inge's page. But I am rather impressed if both you and Bishonen understand Danish. Valentinian 21:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I should take credit, but I cannot. I had help from someone on IRC in deciphering it :) (another thing IRC is good for :) )... Bishonen is Swedish, though, so that's not as surprising I expect. ++Lar: t/c 21:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That figures. Danes, Norwegians and Swedes understand the other two languages (although we don't always admit it). I was beginning to wonder if collecting LEGOs had anything to do with it, but last time I collected LEGOs - back in the early Bronze Age - the instructions contained no words. Valentinian 21:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I knew that the three langs are pretty close in many ways (closer than some prefer since each country has been the boss of each of the others at some point :) ), and about the "don't always admit it" part :) LEGO sets still almost always contain no words at all. See, for example which is a pretty complex one. But sometimes they do. PS I've always wanted to meet a lascivious sow... ++Lar: t/c 22:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Your User Page Template

Larry, I really like the tabbed format you're using. I've been wanting to change up my User page for a while now. Do you mind if I "steal" your templates? I'll try to differentiate them as much as possible so you can maintain at least a semblance of originality here and, of course, I'll credit you. Thanks.--William Thweatt | 22:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a wiki, dude!!! Of course I don't mind, that's the whole point! (grin)... Please credit Jossi and Phaedriel too, as my work is based on the work Phaedriel did for Jossi's page... the tabs are a bit different there but it's where I got the idea. ++Lar: t/c 23:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Although it's true that "it's a wiki", I've seen some users get really touchy for the smallest reasons. I know you're not like that, but just thought I'd ask as a courtesy. Thanks.--William Thweatt | 23:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Your courtesy, although not necessary, is much appreciated. You should start by looking at User:Lar/HeaderTabs and if you have any questions just give a shout. Where I differ from how Jossi's is done is that which tab connects to the rest of the page (with the darker color) is determined automatically within HeaderTabs based on the pagename (using magic words and parser functions), rather than needing to be hardcoded in. It makes for double inclusion and the inner templates are gobbledgook, but it works... it lets me add and remove tabs fairly easily when I reorganise pages. ++Lar: t/c 00:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 10, February 2007

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 010 – February 2007
Beatles News George Harrison's handwritten lyrics to the song While My Guitar Gently Weeps have fetched $300,000 (£152,552) in a Scottsdale (Arizona, United States) memorabilia auction (15 January). It contained lines omitted from the final version of the song. Specifically : I look from the wings at the play you are staging While my guitar gently weeps As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging Still my guitar gently weeps On the reverse of the page appears the lyrics to Hey Jude in the hand of Mal Evans. Project News The Project lead article (The Beatles, for those not paying attention) has had its Good Article status reviewed, and the consensus was 'keep'. The efforts of User:Andreasegde in supplying the requested citations, and other editors in helping with general editing, and the strength of arguments for retaining the grade sufficiently impressed the reviewers. After a great deal of work Paul McCartney was promoted as a Featured Article candidate. Unfortunately it failed to succeed. Among other comments, including the correct length of dash (or hyphen), from reviewers was that the article was too long and also that it needed further information included in some of the sections(!?) The promotor, and driving force behind the insertion of a great many references, citations and facts (and the remover of unwanted text, and splitter of information into daughter articles), Andreasegde vigorously argued the case for promotion but was unsuccessful. Mimi Smith was successfully nominated for WP:Good article status. The major editor to whom accolades should be directed is... Andreasegde. Two new articles have been listed in the Project Log since 1 January: The Beatles' Influence on Recording Music by Apepper and Wings 1973 UK Tour by Danthemankhan. Eruption257 has adopted the A Spaniard in the Works article. The hottest Project page this month was possibly, despite the Article Status related issues regarding both The Beatles and Paul McCartney mentioned above, the third attempt to delete The Beatles trivia in less than a year. As was the case for the second attempt at AfD the result, after an energetic discourse, was keep but with a suggestion that the article be retitled to reduce the incidence of deletion requests. Editors are invited to discuss possible new titles, and/or the need for same, at Talk:The Beatles trivia. Other Project news - Lar did a bit of a purge of the subscription list during last month's newsletter delivery. Some folks were kept (and are at the active list), some who clearly are not active on wikipedia at all were removed with a "you've been removed" message left (and are at the inactive list), and some folks who were less active but not as clearly completely inactive were given a "this may be your last newsletter" message (and are at the possibly inactive list). A more nuanced subscription list is now here (in several subpages as outlined above), and anyone who wants to tweak their status (moving one's self back is a clear cut sign that we should deliver the newsletter to you!) should feel free. Please respect the rather spartan formatting though, this list is used by WP:AWB currently, and may be used by other automation in future.	Issue of the Month Hottest issue or concern for this month is the perennial matter of Project articles losing their Good or Featured Article status. The main Project page now includes a status board that gives the current ratings of some of the more important articles. Let's make sure the core articles (The Beatles, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr) reach or retain Good Article status, if not Featured Article. If you are aware of another major article whose status is at risk, add it to the board. Issue of last Month Since there has been no response in the matter of the use of lowercase for the initial letter of the when applied with Beatles from the opponents, it is likely that the case for using lowercase only will be adopted as Project policy by default. User:LessHeard vanU will draw up a recommendation and submit it to the Policy talkpage in a few days. From the Editors We are pleased to welcome the contributions of Alexcalamaro to this newsletter. Any editor can include an item of interest or news; this medium can be an excellent tool for getting a comment seen by a great number of project members. As it says below, this is your newsletter. If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Member News New members to the project since the last issue include Sturgeonman, McTavidge, Discordant, SUIT, apepper, Darrenhusted, Cbing01 and Eruption257. The Silly Name (Beatles) Cabal have been awarding each other sundry awards, with one rather obvious exception, recently. This practice is contrary to WP:YouDoNotNeedToBeMadToEditHere(ButItHelps) and reflects badly on the serious work being done on The Greatest Band In The World and should cease immediately. Any further transgressions will likely incur the wrath of The Really Scary One. Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 011 – March 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Contributors to this Issue Alexcalamaro (Editor) LessHeard vanU (Editor) Albert Goldman (Editor) Lar (Editor, Distributor)
Complete To Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. Open tasks for WikiProject The Beatles. Edit or discuss these tasks. As the project is currently just starting, our more experienced editors are working on the project infrastructure, classifying articles, and listing/assessing red links. Your assistance is welcome. If you would prefer to just edit - and why wouldn't you? - we have a choice selection of red links to turn blue and articles to clean! Now let's get busy. To Expand: Apple Records See also: Adopt an article To Clean up: Apple Records discography (wikify). The Beatles' 1965 USA Tour. To Merge: To Create: Phil McDonald (engineer). Lennon/McCartney songs: I'll Keep You Satisfied (produced by George Martin), From A Window. George Martin produced Billy J. Kramer song: Magic Carpet (song). Songs covered by The Beatles: Hippy Hippy Shake. The Big Three. Bag o'Nails, where Paul met Linda. Macca single: My Brave Face. Articles on each Beatle tour (Category:The Beatles tours). Full list & instructions. Lists to complete: Wanted Pics/Graphics: Mal Evans, Flying (song), Astrid Kirchherr, Jimmy Nicol, Cynthia Powell, Alistair Taylor, Ivan Vaughan, Tittenhurst Park. We need a better open-licenced photo for the project, to replace the Abbey Road crossing. If you provide a photo, please remove the ReqPhoto tag from the article's talk page and remove the article from this list. Project Discussions: The Beatles history, Individual songs vs longer album articles, Beatle wives, Merge/split proposals Project: Add {{WPBeatles}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members, and coordinate tasks. Enter articles classed as stubs into this list (under To Expand) and also list articles needing cleaning and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

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Hi there!!!! This may be the LAST The Beatles project newsletter you receive!

Why? Because we believe you are inactive or possibly inactive. If you want to move yourself back to active, and get copies going forward, please remove your name from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/PossiblyInactive and add yourself to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The Beatles/Outreach/Newsletter/Active. Thanks for your interest in the project. This may be the last notice you will receive, it depends on whim. ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 03:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC) (snort!)

Good game, good game! I did check to make sure I wasn't actually in the possibly inactive list... I had best check that I am not in the deffo inactive list whilst I am at it! ;) LessHeard vanU 13:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Snort. Glad you liked it. ++Lar: t/c 14:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

GA nom'ed for deletion

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/California State Route 37! --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I had nothing to do with this one, and i've commented on my talk page about the recent flare-up. I hate flare-ups.DGG 05:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not fond of flare ups either. Everyone should remain calm if at all possible. ++Lar: t/c 05:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Admin IRC channel

I have been promoted to sysopness, how do I join the IRC channel? Thanks. ~ Arjun 18:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Catch any one of a number of people with 10 or better in IRC and they can take it from there. To have ME add you I will want you to validate your identity using a method I will specify. ++Lar: t/c 19:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy

I have gone ahead, been Bold, and amended the Project policy to reflect that the lowercase 't' in the Beatles argument has won the day. No opposing argument was put forward despite a comment in Newsletter 9 and a reference in Newsletter 10, and the authorities provided for lowercase were compelling. As co-Founder, and an Admin to boot, you may be asked to intervene should editors have their gruntleship disturbed. I will copy this to Kingboyk, even though he appears dormant regarding the Project.LessHeard vanU 22:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I missed commenting on this, I could have sworn I said we should keep the uppercase T. ++Lar: t/c 22:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That was then; when I got the opinion of some Anglo&ndashAmerican Language Wikipedians. The other side later countered with Guardian and Times styleguides. This was documented in Newsletter 9 and comments requested. It was again noted in Newsletter 10 (I don't only do silly comments, y'know?). Still no response. Since the proponents have been playing it by the rules, I have applied said rules in their favour. It is all in the talkpages (which you commented in late last year regarding civility).

There is nothing to stop an editor finding a more up to date, or august, authority; and then we can have the debate all over again. I personally find capitalising the T more natural, but I also use the words whilst and thereapon. Misplaced Pages has to reflect current good practice, and that means lowercase it seems. LessHeard vanU 23:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How to add bookshelf?

How to add on the bookshelf? Wooyi 20:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, could you repeat your question? I did not follow it. Perhaps a link might help. If you are referring to how to add your own choices to this page, it's pretty easy. Just start editing someone else's section and copy it exactly, and then change what you copied into your stuff. I of course recommend that you do your entry in alphabetical order. If you flub up, someone will fix it, not to worry. If that wasn't what you meant, try asking again? Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 21:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I was exactly asking that. Sorry for the poor wording of my question. Wooyi 22:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Oustanding. Glad to be of help then. Give a shout if you need any further help once you have your entry in there (didn't see it there yet...), good luck. ++Lar: t/c 17:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I made an entry there. Thank you! Wooyi 02:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Totally random hello

Something just reminded me that we haven't crossed paths much of late. Hope you're well, dude. Looks like you're still doing a great job there. Metamagician3000 07:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, long time no talk. Hope all is well with you as well... I'm still having fun, as for the quality of the job I do, well, sources differ. :) Thanks for the hello! ++Lar: t/c 17:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 20:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

To close an incident

Hi Lar - I'm hoping you can help me out. I tried following the BLPN instructions to close a BLPN incident using {{subst:Blpt|]|RESOLUTION|~~~~~}} and {{subst:Blpb}} but could not figure out how to do it. Would you mind detailing the steps I need to take to use these two templates to close Frédéric Prinz von Anhalt. Thanks. -- Jreferee 02:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look but I confess that I have no idea what you're talking about :) Is this to do with Biography of Living Persons? Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard (just a guess)... ... another guess. try editing the whole page, not just the Frederic section, as the opening template has to go above that section.... ok I had another look and I think I sorted it. If the resolution there is wrong please adjust. The trick was to just paste the blpt above the heading and the blpb at the very bottom. ++Lar: t/c 03:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I used your instructions and successfully closed my first BLPN incident and will work on the remainin 165 BLPN incidents now posted at WP:BLPN-- Jreferee 15:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Good deal. Please smith my resolution description as needed on Frederic, I was trying to read your mind a bit. May not have been spot on. ON reflection, this template process for closing is a lot like, say, closing AfDs or TfDs etc in terms of where the template invocations go. Once I realised that I knew what to do. Maybe you could improve the instructions a bit? ++Lar: t/c 16:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy (for your info)

The following is some text that I have placed on a few editors talk pages, and on the Policy talkpage. I suspect a simile involving fans is appropriate here. Do you know of any decent editors who may be able to adjudicate on this matter, should such a service be required? Mark.

I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

Belated reaction

The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

My Comments

My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Misplaced Pages has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Misplaced Pages ethos of consensus.

My Observations

No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponents of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

My Conclusion(s)

The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Misplaced Pages.

I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Misplaced Pages and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 00:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I put my oar in, I hope it helps. We shall see... ++Lar: t/c 20:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Help

I created the article Xiong Yan with references and see also section, but they couldn't show up. Can you help please? Thanks! Wooyi 15:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry nvm now I know what was wrong. Wooyi 15:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

no problem. I have trouble with refs too, and usually it is because I am missing a trailing close of some sort (an angle bracket, a whole /ref, etc...) A tip, it's helpful to give links to what you need help with, and if it's an edit you had trobule with, give the diff... (Xiong Yan rather than just Xiong Yan... and I bet this was the diff where you fixed the problem.) Good luck with that article. Seems interesting to me. ++Lar: t/c 16:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

JzG's unwarranted accusation

JzG claims, persistently, that the reason I want a link to Tim Ireland's blog about Anne Milton mentioned in the article on Anne Milton is that I am politically opposed to Anne Milton. He has no evidence of that and yet refuses to withdraw it. That is merely one specific unwarranted accusation. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 20:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

"'Non Shouty topic" advice needed by Beatles editors

If you have the time, please could you look here and check that the discussed matter, creating a stub to hold a list sub page, would be okay from a Misplaced Pages viewpoint? Thanks. LessHeard vanU 13:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Could you repeat the question? I'm not sure what you were asking me. In general I feel an article stub with a list is not necessarily either good or bad, it depends on the nature of the list and how likeiy it is that an article will grow from it. In talk/project space, list subpages are fine, I did that with our newsletter subscriber list. I tried to follow the link but may not have gotten to the right place. ++Lar: t/c 16:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I thought the link would take you to the section. It is the one titled "All We Are Saying". An editor has read the book (John and Yoko explaining themselves over a matter of topics) and was frustrated by the lack of an index. The editor has created an index, and placed it in his userspace. I suggested creating a short/stub article for the book and making the created index a subpage. We are concerned if this would violate Wiki policy in any way, as the index does not exist outside of Misplaced Pages (although the contents do). My argument for would be that literature created without an index has had it added at a later date, i.e. Standard Texts for educational purposes are often annoted and indexed. I would appreciate if you could comment back over at the Project talkpage. LessHeard vanU 21:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid to weigh in and hurt feelings, but my thinking on reflection is that maybe, this is too narrow a topic to have a page for. an index into a single book is very narrow. Is there somewhere else it could live and then we reference it??? ++Lar: t/c 21:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, no hurt feelings ~ no feelings at all, I'm told... I suggested making it a sub-page, the other editor has it on a (Misplaced Pages)userpage already. If we can internal link to that then fine. LessHeard vanU 22:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If this is an articlespace thing, we should not link from articlespace to a user subpage. We should link to some other place within article space (the "list"...) but in order for that list to survive a possible AfD we need to be able to establish relevance of the list to the article it's linked from as well as accuracy. If this is an index someone did by their own reading, it's original research and therefore not OK by our policies. Tricky wicket. now, on the other hand, if this is a resource that we would keep in the project or on an article TALK page, for use by editors to make articles better, then it's much less stringent about how AfD defensible it needs to be, as well as how non original research it needs to be. I'm confused which it is. If you think the original author isn't going to be miffed that wp policy says that we shouldn't have his list in article space by all means feel free to copy this whole thread over to there or whatever. That's what I was scared of, he's put a lot of work into it, and people just hate having their baby called ugly. :) Hope that makes sense, mate. And PS thanks for trying to work through the t/T thing... rather thankless, that, eh? Good work on helping keep things calm. ++Lar: t/c 23:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Urgent notice

Please delete JzG's recent post on the User Talk page of Chicagostyledog, as well as the record of it in the edit history. It contains a disclosure of personal information that violates the Misplaced Pages privacy policy. Dino 02:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I have an implicit "no deletion" policy, except in very egregious cases, I don't remove posts from my talk page and I prefer others do not either, even if they authored them. So I've restored this request. I have to confess I reviewed the history of that page and didn't see anything but I may have missed it. I do note that the last thing to it was a removal of some material by JzG. If there truly is personal info disclosed that is putting someone at risk, (the info is still in the history of the page, after all) we can oversight it away but we need to know what information it is specifically. Mail me or any admin a diff that shows it, along with an explanation. ++Lar: t/c 14:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

PS, blanking sockpuppet notices off the pages of other users, as you did, is a blockable offense, don't do it again please. ++Lar: t/c 14:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Bomberphone

Having watched a few afd absurdities recently it would probably go for keep :( -- yes - I had three admin friends last night i left notes about this one - complete and utter crap. So I am about to change my wording in that talk SatuSuro 23:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It might well go for keep at that. PROD it, I think. I should have, back then. ++Lar: t/c 00:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

My apologies - you deserve the credit for the hard work earlier - the response was blustery rubbish - sorry - I had alerted hesperian and he went in and did it. Thanks for the checking! I am one of the few tasmanian project taggers it appears - and my systematic (in a chaotic way) tagging every tas article is coming up with some odd bits and pieces... I used to live on the west coast - and most articles have my shameless tagging ... cheers and thanks. SatuSuro 01:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

More Scandinavia nonsense

Hi Larry

Just wanted to let you know that it looks like our old friend is, see the contributions of User:Arigato1. Except Rollo, it is the same garbage again. I won't revert the Greenland nonsense again to avoid being accused of 3RR, but "Arigato1" don't seem to have the same concerns. Valentinian 18:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to not assume it's the same person (although the contribs certainly suggest eerily similar areas of interest) just yet... have warned at their talk. Greenland edits today were a clear 3RR violation but I just warned. Let us watch and monitor. If my soft touch is too soft you could well take it to WP:AN/I if you felt the need. ++Lar: t/c 19:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me say it like this, I actually hope that it is the same person. If it isn't, I'll have to start worrying about the future of Danish public schools (which weren't exactly helped by a combination of hippies / experiments in the 1970s + the legacy of Ritt Bjerregaard). It looks like at least three other editors are also monitoring the current situation, but I just felt better about telling you sooner rather than later. All the best. Valentinian 20:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Don't be Down on Hippies, maaaaaaaaan. (they tell me I had a good time in the 70's. I couldn't say, I don't quite recall...) but, er, ya, no problem. Just give me another nudge if I miss what's going on, I will try to keep an eye out. ++Lar: t/c 20:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: awesome

Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_may_or_may_not_be_failing. Needs a humor tag though, think I'll start an edit war about that. :) ++Lar: t/c 22:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Er... who said it was humorous? I am entirely serious here :) – Qxz 22:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

SURE you are. ++Lar: t/c 22:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Anna Cora Mowatt

Hey Lar, you're asleep and I won't be on IRC when you will tomorrow, so here we go. The article was 99% most likely a copyvio from the getgo by Primetime, as exhibited here. As Will Beback points out:

Primetime says he spent "an incredible amount of time" writing articles including Anna Cora Mowatt. Even more incredible is the amount of time he must have spent researching it:

• See also Imogene McCarthy, "Anna Cora Mowatt and Her Am. Audience" (unpublished master's thesis, Univ. of Md., 1952), especially useful on her Richmond life, which is also touched upon in Marion Harland, "Personal Recollections of a Christian Actress," Our Continent, Mar. 15, 1882, and in Marion Harland's Autobiography (1910)...For genealogy, see William O. Wheeler, comp., The Ogden Family in America (1907). Birth record from Archives Municipales de Bordeaux; death record from Gen. Register Office, London.

It must have taken a lot of time to go to the University of Maryland for the thesis, to dig up an 1882 issue of Our Continent, and to obtain birth and death records from the archives in Bordeaux, France and London, England. Yes, "incredible" is the right word. -Will Beback 04:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

So that being said, I think the whole old version is a wash and needs a new start. The illustration should not be copyrighted so it should be fine. I'm looking forward to seeing the new article. Teke 05:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and the only other serious editor to the article was User:Igtrn, one of the many Primetime socks that restores his old articles. The other edits are cats, dabs, wikilinks, etc. Teke 05:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Note that rootsweb.com does have good birth/death records, E uses them all the time. ++Lar: t/c 13:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Your comments are cordially invited

... in the discussion about "Misplaced Pages:Articles about ongoing enterprises should be official policy." The goal is to protect Misplaced Pages's reputation as a neutral encyclopedic resource, and protect Misplaced Pages from civil liability. The consensus appears to be that WP:BLP should be modified to include ongoing enterprises. What do you think? Please add any additional comments to the existing discussion on this page. Dino 12:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure you actually will want my comments but I'll put my oar in. ++Lar: t/c 13:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Georgewilliamherbert (2)

FYI, I have removed this RFA from WP:RFA. The instructions given under Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/nominate state that the nominee should (1) accept the nom, (2) answer the questions, (3) change the time, and (4) transclude the RFA. Step 3 is trivial, but I don't think it would be fair to him to have the RFA transcluded and have oppose !votes sway the thing simply because he hasn't yet had a chance for step 2. --BigDT 18:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Good deal. The way it used to be done was answer the questions (if desired) THEN accept, so... but ya. I was just going to untransclude it myself... Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 19:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Did you know/Next update (copied from here)

I saw you made some good improvements to the wording on T:DYK/N... when changeing wording there, don't forget to change the wording at Template:Did you know/Next update/Clear as well, because that's used to refresh, so your changes would be lost (if not done there) at the next time ../clear was used to refresh. I wonder if that tip needs to be saved somewhere :) ++Lar: t/c 21:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Lar. I added the DYK next update clear to the list at Misplaced Pages:Did_you_know#DYK. I'm not exactly sure how/when the DYK next update clear page is used to refresh the DYK next update page. Would you mind providing more detail about the DYK next update clear page on the Misplaced Pages:Did you know page. Thanks. -- Jreferee 19:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. Fix up further as needed. You don't have to use it every time, just cleaning stuff out by hand is fine, but once in a while it's nice to get rid of the stray commas and suchlike. PS, thanks muchly for your yeoman efforts at making these pages much more usable! ++Lar: t/c 19:26, 22 February 2007(UTC)

It has helped me understand the DYK process, which I previously found somewhat confusing. -- Jreferee 22:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

They say nothing helps you learn something as well as teaching it to another person, so that seems pretty logical to me! Again, thanks! ++Lar: t/c 22:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Problem editor

Hello again, Lar. An anonymous editor User talk:24.11.154.225 is screwing up the Coney Island hot dog article. Can you check it out? Steelbeard1 23:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Warned in concurrance with your warning, LMK if I don't spot things that happen going forward. ++Lar: t/c 02:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Mnemo

Oops about the email - I neglected to check the "allow" box. Apologies. The user's only purpose is promoting his mnemonic system. There was not a single noba fide contribution. See my deletion log prior to the block for a list of things deleted. But if you wish to unblock, go ahead. - NYC JD (make a motion) 13:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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