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Help with Stub article

Hello everyone, I am new to editing on Misplaced Pages, and was trying to find more information on the article History of the Jews in Peru. I have found some sources so far on crypto-jews and the history of their persecution in the 17th century, but I am getting stuck trying to find more information on this topic. I was also wondering how I should tackle an article like this, and if there are any other articles that are good examples that are relatively similar in size to the article I am editing. Thank you verymuch!

Kristallnacht reassessment.

Kristallnacht, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

Remember Baghdad (Documentary Film) listed at Requested moves

Hi guys, I am new to Misplaced Pages as a contributor and I just found this community, so I'm super excited to get involved. I just wrote up an article on a documentary film about the history of Iraqi Jewry and I have a few more articles that I would like to write up afterwards. So far the draft for the article is still under review, so I am wondering if it conforms to all of Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines and I would be glad to get your feedback. https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Remember_Baghdad_(Documentary_film)

The Jew Among Thorns

Any help especially c/e would be appreciated --Shrike (talk)

Need help appealing my article List of Jewish states and dynasties

I created the page Draft:List of Jewish states and dynasties. It started as an article, but became a draft because of a lack of citations. I retooled it, giving it somewhat more citations than the other "list of states and dynasties" pages and appealed for its restoration, which will take over three months. J390 (talk)

History section of Jews article needs revamped / rewritten

The 'History' subsection of the Jews article only covers Jewish history up to Babylon and Rome. Obviously, this is incomplete. It is missing 1900 years of Jewish history - the Middle Ages, modern times, the Holocaust, the establishment of Israel, etc etc etc.

There's been some discussion of this on the talk page. I tried to revamp the section, but I don't have the necessary knowledge (or time) to do it right. But having the main Wiki article on Jews not mention anything after 96 AD is not an acceptable state. I figured you guys were the right place to bring this issue for discussion and correction. Hope it can be remedied.

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

Margot Heuman has an RFC

Margot Heuman, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for what language should be used to describe Heuman's sexual orientation. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 18:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Misplaced Pages. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

"Folkism" listed at Redirects for discussion

An effort to re-target Folkism which was created as a redirect in 2007 to Folkspartei (Jewish People's Party) is underway. It has been recently proposed to re-target it to Völkisch movement (German ethnic and nationalist movement). It is for discussion for redirecting 'Folkism' to 'Völkisch movement'. This discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 14#Folkism until a consensus is reached, anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Please review the redirects Talk page and Revision History page to get background on the arguments. Myotus (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Help Needed & Welcomed to get a page Approved

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Yitzhak_Suknik

This page about a fighter in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was deleted (now in Draft for 6 month reprieve) the main issues being:

1. Yitzhak is not important enough to be included in Misplaced Pages
2. Insufficient references
3. Too much on the events surrounding Yitzhak's actions compared to the Yitzhak himself.
4. Style

Point 1. I attempted to deal with this point here but got no response. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Koza_-_Yitzhak_Suknik

Point 2. I have used every source available,namely 5 books where his actions are described and I have edited the reference section etc.

Point 3. Re-edited and slashed to a minimum ( I think)

Point 4. Tried as much as possible but found the instructions and guides baffling.

I have received no response about the changes I have made since the original article.
The person who 'pressed the button' to delete the article freely admitted that they are not expected to be experts or knowledgeable in the field and are not obliged to reply to my counter arguments.
I am unsure of what else to do to get it approved. Any and all guidance welcome.
JSKutcher (talk) 06:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I do not know (or care) much about military history, so this is not my forte, but I do know about using Yiddish language sources on Misplaced Pages and I can tell you that he is mentioned in several more Yiddish language books on the Yiddish Book Center's digital collection. When I search סוקניק Suknik in their Jochre search I get about 4 pages of results, many are about him and his participation in the Warsaw ghetto fighting, written by people not related to him after the war (general books about the Warsaw ghetto). I would be happy to farm the citations for you into the draft but I do wonder what happens when a group of people decides it should be deleted. For me I have been editing long enough to just post articles without anyone reviewing them and people generally ignore or leave them alone even if they are fairly obscure eastern european Jewish people (for example Joshua Rayzner who someone asked me to find more about on their behalf, and I put the info up there). Maybe someone else can weigh in on that side of it. Dan Carkner (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dan. That is quite amazing about the number of references and your offer to farm the citations will be most welcome. My email address is Jeff.Kutcher@gmail.com. I quoted 5 sources where Yitzhak is mentioned, but that still does not seem to be enough, or as I said no-one has reviewed the changes I made. As you have indicated there's a lot more out there in Yiddish (and Polish) that has yet to be translated that must be a treasure of information.

I have been trying in vain to get an English version of Zivia Lubetkins 'In the Days of Destruction and Revolt' but alas as yet no luck. Many thanks Jeff JSKutcher (talk) 07:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Rather than me emailing you some links, which (I assume) you may not be able to interpret, are you OK if I just introduce the citations into your draft sometime when I have a moment ? Dan Carkner (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

That would be excellent. Many thanks. JSKutcher (talk) 19:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I made a few updates with what I could find in the YBC books. (Sometimes his name was spelled Sukenik too.) I wonder if my Yiddish book by Melekh Noy is the same as one of your sources Melech Neustadt (I'm not sure if you had the title right - I could not find it on Google Books or Worldcat to compare). I also created a Wikidata identity for Suknik for posterity and which can be linked to articles if they are ever actually published in English or other Wikipedias. I am still not sure what you will have to do to pass deletion. I find that whole process kind of opaque and arbitrary to be honest.

My other recommendations: try to consolidate the sections a bit more, make it more encyclopedic rather than breathless war reportage (Although I've certainly seen worse - but it does have a bit of that feel.) And to fix the citations a bit by finding the ones that are not formatted and enter them again as formatted citations the way I did (and the way you or someone else did on some of the sources used.) It's not difficult just click Cite>Templates>cite book at the top of the edit box and fill out the fields with what info you have on that book. Dan Carkner (talk) 23:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, many thanks for the references on the page. It does add to more weight.

I now have only 1 reference back to the website. I will try to find an alternative source for that.

Yes, Melech Noy and Neustadt are the same person https://www.jta.org/archive/melech-noy-mapai-leader-dies-in-israel-was-author-of-several-books.

The Wikidata identity is new to me. I have added 2 new aliases: Icchak Sukiennik - his name on the list of those who died in the uprising that was sent to London in 1943 and (an odd one) Jicchak Sukiennik which is the spelling from the Hela Rufenstein's book " Farewell to Mila 18".

The process to pass deletion - opaque ? Sadly it is also demotivating, frustrating and complex. I understand the need for quality control but trying to figure out the rules is next to impossible.

I shall work on the citations & making it more encyclopediac. I really appreciate your comments and feedback. JSKutcher (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the link about Noy. That explains him well. I posted it in the thread on the draft talk page too to explain why I think it's a reliable source. Let me know if I can be of any more assistance. And yes those alternate spellings of his name are a bit more Polish spelling I supposed. It would be nice to have his name in Polish orthography at the top of the article in brackets too, but I couldn't quite find it last night when I looked. Dan Carkner (talk) 15:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

problem about whitewashing and holocaust denying in the article about iasi pogrom

There is this particular user DiGrandi who kept removing sourced text and whitewashing romanian deeds in the holocaust, i tried to stop him but i do not want to brake the 3 RV rule. Have a look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladdy Daddy Silly (talk • contribs) 17:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Jews in Hong Kong peer review

The article Jews in Hong Kong is currently undergoing peer review here. Any feedback is appreciated. — Golden 15:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Jews of Color

Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.--Coin945 (talk) 20:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

True Torah Jews

Please review and copyedit this article so we can get it out of draft and into the mainspace. Coin945 (talk) 15:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Integral Judaism

Please can you have a look at this stub and help improve it?--Coin945 (talk) 15:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Eran Elhaik and Jewish genetics

Please take a look at the discussion about citing Eran Elhaik in the Genetic studies on Jews article. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Auschwitz trial#Requested move 3 November 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Auschwitz trial#Requested move 3 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink 19:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Reddit thread

This reddit thread appears to point to some issues at History of the Jews in Hungary; I see Czello and some others have been editing/discussing there, and the page could perhaps use some additional eyes/help. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}  18:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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