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:Thank you! I can see a case for switching to citing and quoting the 2006 version, but It seems Ktrimi991's edit including more of the 2002 version resolves it. ] (]) 07:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC) :Thank you! I can see a case for switching to citing and quoting the 2006 version, but It seems Ktrimi991's edit including more of the 2002 version resolves it. ] (]) 07:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
::So why are you still allowing an incorrect quote? Even the 2006 source is quoted differently than the Albanian editors keep writing it. Stop fooling readers. ] (]) 05:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC) ::So why are you still allowing an incorrect quote? Even the 2006 source is quoted differently than the Albanian editors keep writing it. Stop fooling readers. ] (]) 05:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
:::As I said above, this text is visible in Google Books.. You may wish to read it there yourself rather than ], but for the benefit of other editors or in case that later becomes unavailable, I'll repeat it in full: {{tq|"It is difficult to know how many ethnic Greeks there are in Albania. The Greek government, it is typically claimed, says there are around 300,000 ethnic Greeks in Albania, but most Western estimates are around the 200,000 mark (although EEN puts the number at a probable 100,000: 15 March 1995, Vol. 9, no.6, p.4). The Albanian government puts the number at only 60,000."}} ] (]) 11:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Jeffries quote

Our citation, currentl ref 14, of page 69 of Jeffries, Ian (2002). Eastern Europe at the Turn of the Twenty-First Century: A Guide to the Economies in Transition. London and New York: Routledge (Taylor & Francis). ISBN 978-0-415-23671-3 includes a quotation from that work, "It is difficult to know how many ethnic Greeks there are in Albania. The Greek government, it is typically claimed, says there are around 300,000 ethnic Greeks in Albania, but most Western estimates are around the 200,000 mark ..." This text is visible in Google Books..

@FierakuiVërtet: has repeatedly changed this to "It is difficult to know how many ethnic Greeks there are in Albania. The Albanian government claimed that there were only 60,000, based on the biased 1989 census, whereas the Greek government claimed that there were upwards of 300,000. Most Western estimates were around the 200,000 mark ..." so that it is not a true and honest quotation from that work. How can we proceed? NebY (talk) 22:34, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

My bad, I apologize, I thought that the source being quoted was: Robert Bideleux; Ian Jeffries (2006). The Balkans: A Post-Communist History. Routledge. p. 49. Quote on Google Books : The Albanian government claimed that there were only 60,000, based on the biased 1989 census, whereas the Greek government claimed that there were upwards of 300,000. Most Western estimates were around the 200,000 mark ... FierakuiVërtet (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I can see a case for switching to citing and quoting the 2006 version, but It seems Ktrimi991's edit including more of the 2002 version resolves it. NebY (talk) 07:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
So why are you still allowing an incorrect quote? Even the 2006 source is quoted differently than the Albanian editors keep writing it. Stop fooling readers. Virgilanthony (talk) 05:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
As I said above, this text is visible in Google Books.. You may wish to read it there yourself rather than WP:AGF, but for the benefit of other editors or in case that later becomes unavailable, I'll repeat it in full: "It is difficult to know how many ethnic Greeks there are in Albania. The Greek government, it is typically claimed, says there are around 300,000 ethnic Greeks in Albania, but most Western estimates are around the 200,000 mark (although EEN puts the number at a probable 100,000: 15 March 1995, Vol. 9, no.6, p.4). The Albanian government puts the number at only 60,000." NebY (talk) 11:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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