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Reiterating as much for myself as for others that for the next several months I shall be working on three articles, Mandell Creighton, Company rule in India, and History of English grammars. They have been on my backburner far too long. My time for all other activities on Misplaced Pages will be severely restricted.

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India-related FPs I

• Indian vultures, (Gyps indicus), in a nest on the tower of the Chaturbhuj Temple, Orchha, Madhya Pradesh. The vulture became nearly extinct in India in the 1990s from having ingested the carrion of diclofenac-laced cattle.
• The bank myna is indigenous to the Indian subcontinent.
• The vulnerable Malabar frog is endemic to the Western Ghats.
• The endangered Nilgiri tahr is endemic to the Western Ghats. Shown here is a female in a national park in Kerala.

India-related FPs II

• The brahminy kite (Haliastur indus) hunts for fish and other prey near the coasts and around inland wetlands.
• The lotus (Nelumbo nucifera) is the Indian national flower. Hindus and Buddhists regard it as a sacred symbol of enlightenment.
• The Indian peafowl (Pavo cristatus) is the Indian national bird. It roosts in moist and dry-deciduous forests, cultivated areas, and village precincts.
• The Pahalgam valley in Jammu and Kashmir is covered with a temperate coniferous forest.

India-related FPs III

• A Toda tribal hut exemplifies Indian vernacular architecture.
• Bangles on display in Bangalore India
• A Sadhu and a picture of Siva in Kayasth Tola, Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh in Northern India
• The pushkarani, or tank, located on the eastern side of Krishna temple in Hampi, Karnataka, the seat of the Vijayanagara Empire

India-related FPs IV

• Large Gautama Buddha statue in Buddha Park of Ravangla, Sikkim
• A Jain woman washes the feet of Bahubali Gomateswara at Shravanabelagola, Karnataka. The Bahubali idol is 18 metres (58 ft) high and is carved out of a single rock on top of a hill.
• A Chola bronze depicting Nataraja, who is seen as a cosmic "Lord of the Dance" and representative of Shiva
• A sixteenth century rendering of a scene from the Ramayana, an ancient Sanskrit epic.

India-related FPs V

• Paintings at the Ajanta Caves in Aurangabad, Maharashtra, 6th century
• The Agasthiyamalai range, constituting the southern end of the Western Ghats, as seen from the rainshadow region of the southwest monsoon in Tirunelveli, Tamil Nadu.
• A beach off the Arabian Sea in Puvar, Kerala. The Arabian Sea is the northwestern region of the Indian Ocean, bounded by the Arabian and Indian peninsulas.
• Flowing through its rocky terrain near Hampi is the Tungabhadra river, the major right bank tributary of the Krishna river, a peninsular river, which empties into the Bay of Bengal. The coracles, made of wicker, are traditionally covered with hide, their circular shape preventing them from overturning in rivers with rocky outcrops.

India-related FPs VI

• The recycling industry in India, a Varanasi paper bag seller
• An example of the Chinese fishing nets of Cochin. Fisheries in India is a major industry in its coastal states, employing over 14 million people. The annual catch doubled between 1990 and 2010.
• A tea garden in Sikkim. India, the world's second largest-producer of tea, is a nation of one billion tea drinkers, who consume 70% of India's tea output.
• A daily wage worker in a salt field. The average minimum wage of daily labourers is around Rs.100 per day

India-related FPs VII

• A bharatnatyam concert in 2014
• A Bondo woman walks to a weekly market in Chhattisgarh.
• A woman in Bundi, Rajasthan
• An ascetic in Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh

India-related FPs VIII

• The tomb of Itmad Ud Daulah, Agra,
• A Hindu bride
• The interior of San Thome Basilica, Chennai, Tamil Nadu. Christianity is believed to have been introduced to India by the late 2nd century by Syriac-speaking Christians.
• A Sikh pilgrim at the Harmandir Sahib, or Golden Temple, in Amritsar, Punjab

India-related Classic Pictures-I

• A farmer in Rajasthan milks his cow. Milk is India's largest crop by economic value. Worldwide, as of 2011, India had the largest herds of buffalo and cattle, and was the largest producer of milk.
• Indian agriculture dates from the period 7,000–6,000 BCE, employs two thirds of the national workforce, and is second in farm output worldwide. Above, a farmer works an ox-drawn plow in Kadmati, West Bengal.
• Schoolchildren in Chambal, Madhya Pradesh eating a mid-day meal. The Mid-Day Meal Scheme attempts to lower rates of childhood malnutrition in India.
• Cricket is the most popular game among India's masses. Shown here is an instance of street cricket.

India-related FPs IX

• Asfi Masjid at the Bara Imambara complex, Lukcnow, India
• Chhota Imambara, Lucknow, India
• Taj Mahal mosque, Agra, India
• Bangalore panorama

India-related FPs X

• Red Weaver ant, Oecophylla smaragdina in Bangalore, India
• Female Telamonia dimidiata in the Lalbagh Botanical gardens, Bangalore, India
• Mysore Palace in the morning
• Indian Olympic athlete, Irfan Kolothum Thodi

India-related FPs XI

• Grammodes geometrica, Bangalore, India
• Mumtaz Ahmed Khan founder of Al-Ameen Educational Society
• Al-Ameen College of Pharmacy, Bangalore, India
• Kumar Anish, Indian yoga specialist

India-related FPs XII

• Taj Mahal at the golden hour
• Bara Imambara, Lucknow, India
• Salman Khurshid, Indian politician belonging to the Indian National Congress
• Indian palm squirrel, Bangalore, India

India-related FPs XIII

• Odissi
• Mohiniyattam
• Kuchipudi
• Arundhati Roy

India-related FPs XIV

• Chandiroor Divakaran
• Karnataka High Court, Bangalore
• Dharmaraya Swamy Temple a Hindu temple in Bangalore
• Bangalore Town Hall

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October 2021

Buddha related FPs I

• Battered religious figures stand watch on a hill above a tattered valley. Nagasaki, Japan. September 24, 1945
• 17th century Painting on cloth of of Buddha Shakyamuni as Lord of the Munis with Bodhisatvas in background.
• The Gathering of Four Buddhas. 1562 CE, National Museum of Art, Korea.
• Two women walk past the huge cavity where one of the ancient Buddhas of Bamiyan used to stand, June 17, 2012. The monumental statues were built in A.D. 507 and 554

Buddha related FPs II

• Monk walks in the morning after the rain in front of the Temple of the Emerald Buddha (Wat Phra Kaew), part of the Grand Palace, Bangkok, Thailand.
• Buddha Amitabha in His Pure Land of Suvakti, Central Tibet. 18th century; Ground mineral pigment on cotton
• English: Shakyamuni Buddha with Avadana Legend Scenes. Tibet. Date 19th century
• Chiang Mai, Thailand: Buddhist Manuscript Library and Museum

Things to do on 6/10/22

• Start the article Singrauli estate (see Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Cleaning_up_confusions_about_"Singrauli_State"
• Start something on the Ethnic fermented foods and beverages of the Darjeeling Hills, using

• Thapa, Namrata; Tamang, Jyoti Prakash (2020), "Ethnic Fermented Foods and Beverages of Sikkim and Darjeeling Hills (Gorkhaland Territorial Administration)", in Tamang, Jyoti Prakash (ed.), Ethnic Fermented Foods and Beverages of India: Science History and Culture, Singapore: Springer Nature, ISBN 978-981-15-1485-2 and
• Tamang, Jyoti P.; Sarkar, Prabir K; Hesseltine, Clifford W (1988). "Traditional Fermented Foods and Beverages of Darjeeling". Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture. 44 (4): 375–385. doi:10.1002/jsfa.2740440410.

• Add something on Tibetan refugees in Darjeeling.

The relevant news, June 24, 2022

Executive Order No. 600: Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services in the Commonwealth, DATE 06/24/2022, ISSUER: Charlie Baker, MASS REGISTER: No. 600 ... WHEREAS, the Constitution of the Commonwealth has long provided a guarantee of reproductive rights independent of and more expansive than any protection provided by the United States Constitution ... NOW, THEREFORE, I, Charles D. Baker, Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution, Part 2, c. 2, § 1, Art. 1, do hereby order as follows: ...Given at the Executive Chamber in Boston this 24th day of June in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-two and of the Independence of the United States of America two hundred forty-five.

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Rajput

Dear Fowler&fowler, Please can you look at the pattern of edits made by the editor you are supporting on the Rajput page? This is very demotivating to hardworking editors as we are preventing disruption by caste warriors. The text is supported by a tertiary text making the inclusion WP:DUE and it has already been discussed on the talk page. Using this logic, 90% of wikipedia edits can be deleted.LukeEmily (talk) 16:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the editor, nor is my edit meant to be supporting theirs, but citing a book chapter by Vajpayee for the material in the subsection is WP:UNDUE. That is why I removed it. If you would like to reinstate it, please seek consensus for it, as the WP:ONUS is on you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Assassination of Mahatma Gandhi

Hi Fowler&fowler. "Markovitz" or "Markovits"? You've added a reference for "Markovitz 2004, p. 58", but what appears to the only relevant cite is "Markovits 2004" - The UnGandhian Gandhi: The Life and Afterlife of the Mahatma. I would have thought this a typo, but you've used Markovitz with the z in the article text as well. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 11:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Careless mistake on my part. I don't really know the correct spelling of his name. Will fix now. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Comment

The discussion was getting off-topic so I hope you do not mind if I reply here instead. Someone (even Jimbo) making a statement about Misplaced Pages off of Misplaced Pages does not negate policy in any way, and never has. Even if Jimbo had the sway you think he does, saying "the core community appreciates when someone is knowledgeable" does not give license to discount comments simply because you personally don't feel they have earned the right to make the comment. There are subjects about which I have immense knowledge that I have never once edited on Misplaced Pages, and by your personal interpretation of "the core community appreciates when someone is knowledgeable" I would have no right to comment on a talk page on which I am an expert, simply because I have not edited the "right" articles beforehand. Being knowledgeable about a subject and editing articles on that subject are, for better or worse, not the same thing. With the right sources I can edit articles about which I know nothing beforehand, but by your metric that would give me more weight in a discussion than someone who actually knows the subject, and that's not the right metric to use. - Aoidh (talk) 05:21, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

:@Aoidh: I told you not to post on my talk page. That means *do not* post on my talk page. And from now on, it means do not ever post on my talk page. I have not read whatever it is you have chosen to unburden yourself of above. I have no interest in wikilawyering. My only interest on that page was in the Buddha and Buddhism and you have shown no evidence there of the humility required to learn. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I think it should be said Aoidh posted on your talkpage before you asked him not to, according to the timestamps here and on Talk:The Buddha. JungleEntity (talk) 21:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

You are correct. My error and my apologies to @Aoidh:. I have unscratched their comments and scratched mine. Aoidh may post on my talk page. Thank you, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I am concerned about the wording I used in this edit. Does it look ok to you? Since I appeared to be responding to User:Aoidh and in fact I was expanding on my assertion (and in keeping with your bold invitation immediately above), I'm pinging them for explanation if needed or desired. There's a needle I'm trying to thread and since the two of you seem generally opposed on the merits, offending both of you is entirely possible (but never my intention). BusterD (talk) 03:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

It is very well written. We need more writing of that sort and less recitation of Wiki chapter and verse. Will read again and respond there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the ping (and I hope it's okay with F&F that I comment here), but I have no objection or issue with the comment. I think we disagree on the details and therefore the conclusion, but the comment certainly isn't something that's problematic in any way (or at least not in any way I see). - Aoidh (talk) 04:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Tone it down

I would politely request that you desist from the completely needless and entirely off-topic personal attacks on talk pages: aside from being policy violations, they assist no one. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

They are not personal attacks, only adumbrations of your edit history. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Not to mention your repeated abuse of commonplace etiquette on talk pages before page moves. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Since you have already openly stalked my editing history, you also know full well that your tedious aspersions are based on cherrypicked information. My top edited page is Whaling in the Faroe Islands, which I raised to GA, and my third most edited page is Genghis Khan (alongside other Mongol-themed pages) - a thoroughly Asian subject area that intersects significantly with Buddhism. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Genghis Khan's preparation for Buddhism, is memorialized in Britannica thusly (a word I use only in satire):

Massacres of defeated populations, with the resultant terror, were weapons he regularly used. His practice of summoning cities to surrender and of organizing the methodical slaughter of those who did not submit has been described as psychological warfare; but, although it was undoubtedly policy to sap resistance by fostering terror, massacre was used for its own sake. Mongol practice, especially in the war against Khwārezm, was to send agents to demoralize and divide the garrison and populace of an enemy city, mixing threats with promises. The Mongols’ reputation for frightfulness often paralyzed their captives, who allowed themselves to be killed when resistance or flight was not impossible. Indeed, the Mongols were unaccountable. Resistance brought certain destruction, but at Balkh, now in Afghanistan, the population was slaughtered in spite of a prompt surrender, for tactical reasons.

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

It's unclear how this relates to Buddhism. For those that appreciate the nuanced as opposed to polemic approach to history, Mongol rule was characterised by a highly elevated degree of religious tolerance for the era. Buddhism rose in prominence under the Mongol Empire and the Buddhist kingdom of Qocho defected to Mongol rule. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

I am someone who goes out of my way to explain things to new editors who are looking to understand infobox data. See for example Talk:British_Raj#What_is_a_preceding_state? from yesterday. Nothing in my depressing interaction with you has ever risen to that level of communication. Nothing. And your last response above takes the cake.

So better yet, @Iskandar323: please do not post on my user talk page again. I have a limited amount of patience for arguments with people who have given no evidence for knowledge of the mode of historical argumentation.

I am in earnest about this request. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Non-neutral Rfc notification

(edit conflict) I noticed your notification at WikiProject Korea linking the newly created Rfc about the Buddha. The wording in the notice is non-neutral, and appears to be contrary to the behavioral guideline about appropriate notification, and may constitute WP:CANVASSING. Please change the wording of the notification so that it is neutrally worded. (If no one can guess your preference about the Rfc by reading the notice, then it is neutral). Thanks. Mathglot (talk) 04:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing in my wording that constitutes a hint of my preference. It gives the history; the first page move, the second, and the third to which they are invited. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:51, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

And the WikiProjects at which I have posted are mostly Buddhist lands or former Buddhist lands. Not like the previous RMs in which people on sniping trips walled them out by making no announcements except perhaps one on Korea. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Non-neutral is what non-neutral does. Inclusivity is not non-neutral. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I disagree. There is no need to give the page history, and in particular, no need to say, "which had been Gautama Buddha for 16 years", nor to list the other name changes, both successful and unsuccessful. Your frustration and your preference shine through, even if you think they do not. As far as the name changes you listed, all of them, and several others besides are clearly visible already in the large, bordered, box in the Talk header at the top of the Talk page. But more to the point, they are irrelevant in an Rfc feedback request notice, and there is no reason to mention any of them at all. This note is not neutral; please change the wording of it so it is. Mathglot (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

There is no frustration, only a straightforward history. History is essential for full information. Good night. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:14, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Most people don't pay any attention to large bordered boxes. If I haven't until your disclosure just now, pretty much no one does. So good night again. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

... for displaying those Buddhism images on your talk page, otherwise I never would have come across the incredibly moving File:Nagasaki temple destroyed.jpg. Alas, I must avoid the recent move request, as I find it too depressing to read so many distortions of such a profound tradition. Aza24 (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, those pictures are moving. And yes it is a profound tradition. I had once visited Sarnath, India, where the Buddha is thought to have preached his first sermon and where the first Indian emperor who converted to Buddhism had erected a pillar with a capital, Lion capital of Ashoka, in 250 BCE. The pillar and the capital eventually fell, were buried, and excavated by the British in 1905. Historians have debated whether Turkic Muslims destroyed it or whether Hindus had opposed Buddhism enough in India for the pillar to have been neglected, and to have fallen.

I was standing around the pillar fragments. There were some tourists who had stopped by for a minute or two. But then there were some Buddhist novice priests who were silently circling the site, holding hands. Some were children. They did it for several minutes. File:Sarnath_pillar_stump_and_the_parts.jpg Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

A very nice story... I hope the tourists didn't continue their trip in such haste. Aza24 (talk) 02:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)