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== Excessive records / lack of sources ==

Is there any inclusion criteria on the records listed, or is it just "something 1 editor finds interesting"? There are far too many records to make this page useful. There is also a woeful lack of sourcing which leads me to think that much of it is ]. I've tagged all the sections that have absolutely no references, but there are currently only 64 refs (reused 23 times more) for the whole article. If my regexp is correct, there are 457 semi-coloned records and 23 tables, so almost 400 (80%) of them are unreferenced. ] (]) 14:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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This article lists records on the Football World Cup. Feel free to add any information, but make sure to verify their correctness beforehand. Thanks! Chanheigeorge 02:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC) MISTAKE qualification streak

It says Spain qualified for 8 between 1986 and 2014 but it qualified as winnder for 2014 so that doesnt count — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.220.74.5 (talk) 12:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Title Change

The page title should read "List of FIFA Men's World Cup records and statistics". If the page is not explicitly gendered then multiple records are wrong and will continue to be wrong. Consider:

  • individual "Most goals scored in a match" Oleg Salenko is tied with Alex Morgan (2019) with 5.
  • team: "Most goals scored in a match, one team" Should be USA over Thailand (2019) with 13.
  • team: "Most goals scored in a match, both teams" Should be USA over Thailand (2019) with 13-0.

Either this page reflects all of FIFA records and it should add women records, or the title should be changed to reflect that this records list is limited to men only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rootxploit (talk • contribs) 21:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Most appearances in a World Cup final MISTAKE

well it says here that germany it is the most nation to appear in a world cup final for 7 times in fact brazil appeard also for 7 times in the finals in : 1950,1958,1962,1970,1994,1998,2002 so hope to correct it and thanks in advance

There was no final in 1950. Brazil v Uruguay was simply the last match of a group stage. Coincidentally, it also decided the tournament winner as Uruguay and Brazil headed the group. Brazil only needed a draw to win the cup, but lost. Brazil therefore have, like Italy, only reached six finals. Stevew2022 (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree, in 1950 FIFA World Cup there was no a final, only a Final Group! At the same hour Sweden-Spain was played, so Uruguay-Brasil was not a final game!!!
--PaoVac (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with facts and logic to back it up: the caption says "Most finishes in the top two." Finishing second in the final group qualifies as a finish in the top two by every definition of "top two," so Brasil is tied with Germany with 7 "top two" finishes in (1950,1958,1962,1970,1994,1998,2002). Someone fix it, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.120.112.150 (talk) 06:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you. Ev3commander (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Links to consider...

A whole bunch of PDFs of FIFA's records and superlatives and stuff... here it is! — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 09:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Mistake?

On youngest player it says Norman Whitside is youngest with 17 years and 42 days but a little further down it says on "largest age difference" that Rigobert Song played at 17 years 10 days but the age difference doesn't turn out correct.

No. It says:

Youngest player 17 years and 41 days, Norman Whiteside ( Northern Ireland, vs Yugoslavia, 1982). Largest age difference on the same team 24 years and 42 days, 1994, Cameroon (Rigobert Song: 17 years and 358 days; Roger Milla: 42 years and 35 days) Since 41<358, it's right. Ev3commander (talk) 14:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Largest interval between goals by the same scorer

Soon after I added this post it hit me that the formulation might indicate that the players with this record (12 years) didn't score between the 12 years, which is clearly not the case. I'm having trouble wording it differently though; longest scoring career seems too vague, while longest time span between first and last goals by a player seems like a clumsy and awkward formulation. Does anyone else have any suggestions? • 辻斬り 10:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify: what we have is five players who are the only ones to ever score in two World Cups that were 12 years apart. I think it's noteworthy, but it's hard to come up with a short description of the feat. • 辻斬り 13:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the current description, but I can understand that it could be confusing for somebody not familiar with world cup history. I would definitely use "Longest" (related to time) instead of "Largest" (size). "Longest period (/interval) between a player's first and last career goals" is the best I can suggest right now. ChaChaFut 15:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


That works, I think I'll omit "career" though. Thanks for responding! • 辻斬り 15:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Mistake?

For fastest goal scored, you have the fastest goal as 11 seconds in a Turkey v. Korea match in the 2002 World Cup. However, according to Misplaced Pages's 2002 World Cup page, Turkey NEVER played Korea.

I don't know where you're looking, it's clearly there: 2002_World_Cup#Third_place_match. • 辻斬り 17:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

mistake?

For the most common match, when did Brazil play Sweden in 2006 world cup?

Someone recently added that. I have reverted it. • 辻斬り 18:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Portugal keeper

Obviously this was added by a Portuguese, but is it really that significant? Shall we have 'Most number of glaring misses in a game' or 'Most sneezes in a match'?

Are there sources backing it up? How about Ukraine vs. Switzerland that did not score in 3 attempts? Argentinia? Cumulated saves? --Matthead 12:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

At the very least, it should contain the full names of each goalkeeper.

Highest number of consecutive wins

It currently says 12 for Scolari. 7 out of 7 in 2002 with Brazil, and it lists 5 with Portugal. With respect, the latter must be wrong. Portugal's matches in 2006: 1-0 Angola, 2-0 Iran, 2-1 Mexico, 1-0 Netherlands, 0-0 England (3-1 penalties). The draw against England after 2 hours does not count as a "win" in footballing terms. The number of consecutive WINS is therefore 11, but 12 would be correct if you refer to this record as longest unbeaten run.

You are correct, it is 11 consecutive wins as the quarterfinals match was a draw. I am not 100% sure but yes, I also think at 12 matches this is the longest unbeaten run for a coach. ChaChaFut 22:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


cup winners

why there's no chart of cup winners? there are very useless figures (top age difference in a final!!) while there should be charts for important figures like number of matches for an individual player and others --Zimbricchio 00:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Most REd Cards (Player)

Zidane received 1 red, and 2 yellows (different games). That is not the same as 2 reds. I erased the change. Sebastian Kessel 22:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Goalscoring tally

In the goalscorers' table, there are currently 25 goals allocated to Brazilian player Ronaldo. However, I cannot count more than 15 : 1 vs Morocco (1998 Group), 2 vs Chile (1998 1st Round), 1 vs The Netherlands (1998 Semi-final), 2 vs Turkey (2002 Group and Semi-final), 1 vs China PR (2002 Group), 2 vs Costa Rica (2002 Group), 1 vs Belgium (2002 1st Round), 2 vs Germany (2002 Final), 2 vs Japan (2006 Group), 1 vs Ghana (2006 1st Round). As such, I deem the "25" to be a mis-type, and will correct it in 24 hours. However, should I be misunderstanding the meaning of the 25 next to his name, please inform me. Shazback 13:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Tally was changed by another member. Shazback 13:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Top Goalscorer in each World Cup

Since this is a list of World Cup RECORDS, the individual winner of the Golden Shoe of each world cup does not belong on this page. That information is appropriately included on the AWARDS page. As such, I will again remove the list of top goalscorers in each World Cup and ask other users to comment on this issue here in the talk page.--DaveOinSF 14:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Another section I believe should be moved to a "Trivia" or "Curiosities" article is the "Milestone Goals" table. ChaChaFut 15:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that that section doesn't belong here either but have resisted doing anything about it because there's no other logical place that that information can go. If we create such a "Trivia" or "Miscellany" or "Curiosities" or whatever page, then it could be moved there. I don't have the energy to start such a page, or know what else could be included there, but would support whomever takes that initiative.--DaveOinSF 16:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I'll just spin it off to FIFA World Cup milestone goals. Chanheigeorge 23:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

More records

Some more records we can consider to add. Since I'm not 100% sure about their correctness, I'll post them here first. If anybody can fact-check, then please kindly add them to the article.

  • Most consecutive losses: I guess El Salvador, 6 and counting?
  • Most consecutive games without a win: I remember both Bulgaria and South Korea had very long non-winning streaks before breaking through....
  • Most consecutive draws: Maybe Republic of Ireland, with 4 in 1990 (incl. penalty kicks win over Romania)
  • Most consecutive games without a goal: I believe it's Bolivia, with 5 (France almost tied it in 2006!)
  • Most consecutive games with a goal, team: Now this I have no idea!
  • Most consecutive games with a goal, player: I suppose Jairzinho, all 6 games in the 1970 FIFA World Cup
  • Most goals in extra time: Has to be Germany vs Italy in 1970, right?
  • Most red cards, player: Rigobert Song and Zinedine Zidane, with 2; any others?

Chanheigeorge 08:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re. Jairzinho, Just Fontaine scored in all his six his games in 1958. Tintin (talk) 09:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


  • Most consecutive losses belongs to Mexico; they lost their first 9 world cup matches before they drew with Wales in 1958.
  • You are correct about Bulgaria's record: 17 consecutive matches without a win until they won their first match against Greece in 1994 (Chile currently has a streak of 13 winless matches).
  • I think you might be correct about Ireland on most consecutive draws, but I'm not sure. I'll check.
  • Most consecutive matches without a goal, Bolivia: will also verify but pretty sure is correct.
  • Most consecutive matches with a goal: 18, Brazil and Germany (both their first 18 matches).
  • Most goals in extra time: You are correct, Germany 1970.
  • Also correct about the red cards.

ChaChaFut 12:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Who has scored most goals from penalties ? Tintin (talk) 12:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Just did a search for "pen" in all the World Cup articles. In regulation (i.e. not counting the shootouts), should be Rob Rensenbrink (4 pens in 1978, easily the record for one tournament) and Gabriel Batistuta (2 pens in 1994, 2 pens in 1998). Chanheigeorge 18:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! More possible records:

  • Most consecutive games without conceding a goal: Is it Italy, with 5 to start the 1990 FIFA World Cup?
  • Most consecutive games conceding a goal: Hmmm....

Chanheigeorge 19:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

An own goal is still a goal conceded in the statistics, so Italy doesn't count.--DaveOinSF 19:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Never mind

Most consecutive draws should be Belgium with 5 (3 in 1998 and 2 in 2002). Chanheigeorge 19:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It seems that Most consecutive matches without a goal now belongs to Honduras also. Կարեն Վարդանյան (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Two problematic records

There are two records that look problematic to me:

  • Lowest average of goals conceded per match: 0.77,  Republic of Ireland (minimum 4 matches);  Angola has conceded 2 goals in 3 matches (0.67)
Seems a bit arbitrary to see the limit to minimum 4 matches.
I agree. Four looks designed solely to exclude Angola; though the full sequence of candidate record-holders, based on increasing thresholds, is (team-games-average): ANG-3-0.67; IRL-13-0.77; ENG-55-0.85; ITA-77-0.89; BRZ-92-0.91.
Didn't the Swiss keeper concede 0 goals in 2006?

Chanheigeorge 01:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct, the record belongs to Pascal Zuberbühler - too much editing for me today :)
As for the goals conceded per match mark, I was actually just going to add Angola only, and then I thought someone could complain that Angola has only played 3 matches so far. But there are no "minimum elegibility requirements" for records in these tournaments, so go ahead and edit. I really don't care, and when I included the entry I thought to include both and let other users decide what's proper.
Reminds me of a similar situation that used to bother me before the 2002 world cup, when Turkey returned to the competition. They used to average 3.33 goals per match, better than Hungary ...but only after scoring 10 goals in 3 matches in 1954. This has "normalized" since. :) - ChaChaFut 02:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Can we have an entry for those who scored in all the matches in a world cup (for those who played in the maximum possible matches - ie, excluding teams that lost in early rounds). This list would include Ghiggia, Just Fontaine and Jairzinho, but Jairzinho often gets mentioned as the only player to do that. Tintin (talk) 07:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree with including that, if you can word it adequately. - ChaChaFut 11:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, not sure how to phrase it. Will 'Players who scored in every round of a World Cup Final' convey the right meaning (I don't think so myself ....) Tintin (talk) 07:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually that sounds OK to me. Try ...in every match...", and include it under the "Others" section. Also, there should be an entry for "Most consecutive matches scoring" on the individual records section. - ChaChaFut 10:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Most consecutive matches is already there (Fontaine & Jairzinho) Tintin (talk) 10:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops... anyway, I say go ahead, and post the other record. - ChaChaFut

In that case, I guess then you can rephrase Barthez's record as "conceding the average least amount of goals while playing the maximum amount of matches" (of course Buffon tied him in 2006). Chanheigeorge 02:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, wouldn't that be arbitrary? :-) Actually, I think the record for the overall (career) GAA in the World Cup belongs to Barthez among keepers who have played at least 10 matches. Years ago I ran numbers (and took minutes played into account) and if I remember correctly, Banks, Shilton and Jongbloed were among the best. Planicka was also up there when setting the minimum to 5 matches. But all that's on a notebook, many miles away, if it still exists. I'm too lazy now, so maybe one of you kind fellow users can determine this... - ChaChaFut 03:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's somewhat arbitrary. So maybe it's best to put it in a page like FIFA World Cup statistics! Another excuse to create a new article.... Chanheigeorge 05:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The Pascal Zuberbühler "minimum goals conceded" is actually a bit more complicated. Nikolov of Bulgaria also conceded 0 goals in USA 94, though he only played the second half of the 3rd-place match. . Kahn would have done somehting similar in 2006 if not for Portugal's late goal. There may well be others. "Minimum goals conceded, while playing the full duration of all your country's matches" is more accurate, but doesn't sound as impressive. jnestorius 22:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Most consecutive games without a win: The record you have is only 6 games. Bulgaria has 17 between 1962 and 1994 according to this source: http://www.planetworldcup.com/NATIONS/bul.html

Sina Pele

A minor mismatch : In Youngest player, final, Pele is mentioned as 17-249 on the day of the 1958 final. In Youngest goalscorer, final, he is 17-248. Tintin (talk) 07:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Should be 17-248. Chanheigeorge 18:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Tintin (talk) 06:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually should be 17-249, confirmed by FIFA. Chanheigeorge 22:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Cards, cautions, and sendings off

I changed "red card" and "yellow card" in the discipline section to "caution" and "sending off". Cards were introduced in 1970; it needs to be clear the records apply to earlier tournaments also. (In fact it's only Argentina's 2 all-time totals where it's relvant; but still, accuracy is best. jnestorius 23:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Penalty misses

Do we have any stats for players missing penalties during normal time ? Tintin (talk) 04:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No player has ever missed more than one penalty during regulation in World Cup history. Also, I'm pretty sure no team has ever missed two penalties in the same tournament. There was a match (ARG-MEX, 1930) in which each team missed a penalty , and I believe this is the only instance in which this happened. --ChaChaFut 04:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
South Korea missed two penalties in 2002: one against USA and one against Italy. Chanheigeorge 18:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Since 1966, apparently Asamoah Gyan for Ghana in 2006, and 2010 and Lionel Messi for Argentina in 2018 and 2022. Tucotuti (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Has anyone scored more consecutive goals for a team than Paolo Rossi's six goals for Italy in 1982 ? Tintin (talk) 19:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Salenko too. He scored Russia's only goal against Sweden and the first five in the next match against Cameroon. Tintin (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


West Germany

Should mention that Germany in these records includes the period when it was West Germany who were competing. Catchpole 19:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that. However, I'm not sure of what's the best way to make this clarification. Should there be a "Notes" section at the top of the page, or should it be included as a footnote? and if the latter is done, shoud every applicable entry be linked to the corresponding footnote, or just the first appearance, etc.? Suggestions? -- ChaChaFut 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn´t have to be mentioned. The Eastern German FA was incorporated in the West Germany FA. No new association was founded in 1990. The German Team after 1990 is the same like before. It carries on all the traditions and records of the West German team, as well as the West German team did for pre-war Germany. In german statistics no interruption is made between the year 1908 (first match) and 1990 and is not even mentioned. The West German Team is regarded as the "German" team, while the team of the GDR (East Germany, 1950-1990) and the team of the Saarland(1950-1957)are separated in the statistics. In Germany 1950-1990 the West German team wasn´t called West-Deutsche Mannschaft. It was just called Deutsche Mannschaft. The match between West Germany and East Germany in 1974 was mostly announced as "Deutschland gegen DDR" ("Germany vers. GDR"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.55.168 (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

How convenient, the team with all the world cup wins is regarded as the "German" team, while the east german team is disregarded. Germany had 2 bites at the cherry for many years, they consider only their successful team to be relevant. The current team carries the tradition of east germany as well as west germany, you can't have it both ways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.230.190 (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Germany might have had "two bites at the cherry" between 1954 and 1990, but think how more successful they might have been if the West German team also included the best players in the DDR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.138.57 (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


The reason why there is no diffenrence between West Germany and Germany is very simple. Since 1900 uninterrupted, the "DFB" is the governing body of the german football association. "DFB" translates to "German Football Union", not west german football union or something like that. All other associations were temporary and always explicitly not representing the whole nation. The "DFB" is located in Frankfurt which is in western germany. All other associations (Saar or Böhmen und Mähren or East Germany) were founded later, often due to political turmoil, an all these associations were dissolved over time. The DFB never claimed any of the achivements of these associations, all statistics are seperated. The East Germans for example won the Olympic Gold Medal in 1976, and the DFB is not claiming it. Nothing changed for the 'Mannschaft' after 1990, except that the number of potential players rose, because the sportsmen from the former country 'DDR' were now eligible to play for the Mannschaft.

Anyone who claims something else misses a profound understanding of german history. 'East germany' and 'west germany' did not unite. The 'west german' state took over the 'east german' country. The formerly 'east german' territory fell under the institutional power of 'west germany'. All laws from 'west germany' now applied for 'east germany' as well, none of the laws of 'east germany' mattered anymore. The 'east german' institutions were dissolved. The 'east german' state was eradicated. All 'east german' citizen became citizen of 'west germany'. And last but not least, 'West Germany' never called itself "West Germany". The Name "West Germany" was used by foreigners because it was simpler like that, and it was geographicly correct. "West Germany" always called itself "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" which translates into "Federal Republic Germany". Nothing about East or West.

PS: I hope this makes clear, why a difference between west germany and germany is redundand, at least from a football fans view, and insisting on that difference could be considered bordering on ignorance. It is understandable, that not everybody is familiar with german history, but then at least spare allegations like the "two bites at the cherry"-thing. Thank you. :) 

— Preceding Jonathan0007 comment added by Jonathan0007 (talk) 13:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan0007 (talk) 13:53, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

You have a strange "Westernist" viewpoint, you shouldn't accuse others of ignorance. The fact that East Germany acceded to West Germany in 1990 doesn't change the fact that there were two independent German states for 40 years, both of which considered themselves "the" German state initially. East Germany didn't call itself "East" either, "German Democratic Republic" is just as geographically neutral as "Federal Republic of Germany"; the same is true for its football organization, "Deutscher Fußball-Verband". It's true that West Germans (like myself) considered themselves just as Germans, but the same was probably true for East Germans. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Biggest comeback

I am changing the subtitle on the "Biggest comeback" entry to "Largest deficit overcome in a win", so it sounds more neutral, and also because there has been other ocassions (one at least, that I can remember) in which a team has overcome a 3 goal difference without having won the match (Colombia against the Soviet Union in 1962, started 0-3, came back to draw the match 4-4). Also, perhaps there should be two entries: one to include all 3-goal comebacks and one to show only the comebacks in victory; or one with the latter description and one listing the comeback(s) in drawn match(es). --ChaChaFut 00:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Most Passes completed before scoring

I removed this:

Most Passes completed before scoring
( Argentina v  Serbia) Cambiasso 2006 FIFA World Cup 24 passes completed.

Apart from being in the wrong section and using the wrong name for  Serbia and Montenegro, it is also just plain wrong.  Brazil-Ghana  had a 25-pass Ze Roberto goal: see first 90 secs of this clip. There may be others uncounted from, say, 1954; and I doubt we will ever know how many passes preceded the unfilmed goals of 1930. jnestorius 10:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It misses

Hi.. I've been reading the article and think that: Olimpic Goal Misses.. The only olimpic Goal from world Cups isn't included... Thanks

Roberto Baggio

Most shootouts, kicker, all-time & Most losses, kicker, all-time

3, Roberto Baggio, Flag of Italy Italy (1990 semi-final, 1994 final, 1998 quarter final)

It's false, because Roberto Baggio has scored the penalties that he kicked in the '90s semi-final (against Argentina) and in '98 (against France).


Belgium 6 consecutive qualifications

Hard to believe nowadays maybe, but Belgium also had 6 consecutive succesfull qualification-attempts, but they are not mentioned with the other countries who did the same. Belgium was present on the following World Cups: In 82 (when they defeated defending champions Argentina in the opening match) In 86 (when they reached the semi-finals) In 90 (when they undeservedly lost from England in the 2nd round) In 94 (anyone remember the German's should-'ve-been-a-penalty foul on Josip Weber?) In 98 (when they were eliminated after 3 consecutives draws) In 2002 (when they could have defeated Brasil if it weren't for that horrible referee Prendergast who denied Wilmot's opening goal)

shouldn't they be in there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.88.110.49 (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Most Diving Appearance by a team - Italy

I don't know who put this on the page, but there is no source. Still very funny and true though. --T.M.M. Dowd (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Lowest Average goals conceded

Lowest average of goals conceded per match 

   0.67,  Angola (2 goals in 3 matches)

I thought it was Germany in 2002 that gets the title? They conceded 3 in their 7 matches (sums up to 0.43 per match) Rubycored (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Germany might have done that, but it is the overall statistics and Germany is the team who have conceded most goals in World Cup History, so they cannot have a better average than Angola Tondemageren (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Explanation Needed for Longest time for a goal to be scored in a World Cup

I looked this match up and Bruno Conti scored in the 18th minute. Is this vandalism, maybe? Or am I missing something? Cfrydj (talk) 20:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have the same question: what's the point of that statistic? --62.167.93.6 (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I also have problem understanding what this means. Can someone please provide some explanation. If not, I'll proceed to delete this entry. 222.155.240.216 (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I've deleted the entry. If someone can come up with an explanation of what this means then please revert and leave a comment here. Ken l lee (talk) 07:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Referees

The 2010 FIFA World Cup is the third world cup for the brazilian referee Carlos Eugenio Simon. Shouldn't he be added to the statistics?Saulopro (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

What about the Israeli referee Abraham Klein (referee)? He refereed some games in 1970 FIFA World Cup, 1978 FIFA World Cup and 1982 FIFA World Cup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.158.167.178 (talk) 12:03, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Teams eliminated in the first round without losing a match

There are only four teams that have been eliminated in the first round, exiting the tournament unbeaten: Scotland (1974), Cameroon (1982), Belgium (1998) and New Zealand (2010). Defining achievement for All Whites —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.2.87 (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Mistake?

New Zealand have been listed in the "fewest goals conceded" category with 2. They conceded 12 goals in 1982.Richjhart (talk) 09:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Most minutes without conceding

The record of most minutes without conceding has changed as Switzerland managed to go 559 minutes since world cup 2010. This is more than Italy's previous record of 550. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.135.65 (talk) 14:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Most tournaments with at least three goals

klose is missing, how come is on 3 tournaments with at least 4 goals and is not for the 3 goals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.182.71.158 (talk) 00:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Most matches without conceding an equalizer

The Republic of Ireland have played 13 world cup matches in their 3 appearances, 1990, 1994 and 2002, without conceding a single equalizer. All of the opponents' goals were scored before Ireland had scored any goals. Is this a record? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.241.214 (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Penalty Shootout Records.

Ummm, Japan lost their only penalty shootout. It was against Paraguay who won it. So it should be 0-1 not 1-0. 67.85.190.202 (talk) 22:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Adding a Record: Most Goals Conceded: Tournament: Champion

Does this record seem like a good one to add? I believe it's West Germany in 1954, who conceded twelve in the tournament. WorldCupDude (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Do we really need so many 'records'?

This list is far too long, and a lot of the 'records' don't seem to have any real significance - in the first section of the article, 'Team: tournament position, All time' in my opinion the only ones with any value are 'Most championships', 'Most second-place finishes' and 'Most appearances', possibly 'Most finishes in the top two' and 'Most third-place finishes' at a push. Does 'Most 17th-32nd-place finishes' really contribute anything to this article other than WP:Listcruft? Equally the next section, 'Consecutive', other than champions, second, third and tournaments none of the other 'records' are really notable.

I think this list suffers heavily from Point 3 of WP:Indiscriminate, but at the very least should be split into team and individual records if only to make the it easier to manage, and that's without even starting on the lack of references. I appreciate having a reference for every record would potentially make the reference section massive, but equally it shouldn't be too difficult to find references if the record is notable. BulbaThor (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This page is meant to be a list of records, not a page of miscellaneous and often quite meaningless tables and statistics. I suggest removing many of the tables, which don't add anything to this article.Tffff (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Berti Vogts missing in: Most final appearances as player and head coach

Berti Vogts participated in 1970, 1974 an 1978 as a player and was head coach in 1994 and 1998. All five appearences were for Germany. Other than the already mentioned Zagallo an Beckenbauer he didn't win the Cup as a Coach (only as player), but he still matches the description of the category and should hence be included.

Jonathan0007 (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Most goals scored all-time by team?

What country has scored the most World Cup goals? Is that in there? I may have missed it. 12.239.145.114 (talk) 05:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You did miss it. Brazil has scored 210 goals in World Cup tournaments (this probably won't update for 2014 until the tournament is over). Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Ronaldo

In most apps in top three should be also Ronaldo Nazario de Lima (1994, 1998, 2002). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.15.25.79 (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe the statistic in question is "Most appearances in a World Cup final". Although Ronaldo was on the team in 1994, he did not play in the final. See Ronaldo#International career Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

# row

The # row has wrong numbers in most tables 217.208.169.177 (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe you're talking about the leftmost # column used to indicate rank for each category. It appears a few properly group ties together such that the next rank is correct. (i.e. if two teams are tied for #1, the next team on the list should be #3). However, a majority of the tables do not group ties this way. There are more than I care to tackle, but perhaps another editor could undertake this. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

References MISTAKE

Under References and Footnotes 2, it says "Czechoslovakia ualified eight times..." which is a spelling mistake and it wont let me change it. Someone should lift the block on my account so I can change it myself and make constructive edits in the future.

 Done --Tanonero (talk) 22:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

All-time table inaccurate/misleading?

The all-time table section uses 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw, and 0 for a loss to compute point totals across the entire history of the tournament. However, as pointed out at History of the FIFA World Cup#Group Stage Advancement Format, until 1990 only 2 points were awarded for wins. While I can see how it would be confusing (and more difficult) to use two different point systems in calculating totals for this table, it would be more historically accurate. I can also see the opposing point that using only the current system makes the data actually comparable and useful. And, finally, I can see (and somewhat lean towards) the third perspective that maybe the whole section should be scrapped, perhaps as WP:OR. Just wanted to bring it up for discussion. —Ed Cormany (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Pure OR to allocate 3 points pre-1994, and absolute invention to attribute points for knockout stages. With removal of them, the rankings are unsustainable. So now it is just a results summary in which the teams are in an order with no apparent logic. Kevin McE (talk) 23:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Of many strange things when it comes to what is OK to include in a Misplaced Pages article, this is one of the most strange. At least in Sweden, virtually every newspaper, printed book, and larger news and sports website, present this kind of all-time table. It always looks the same, as the All-time table of the FIFA World Cup does (and as I suppose the table in this article looked until Kevin McE changed it). That is, this table is not in any way "original research". Is this a Sweden only tradition, or is it worldwide? Because if it is worldwide, there could be literally hundreds of references... Fomalhaut76 (talk) 19:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
It is worth noting that FIFA publishes such a table. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Most wins?

Brazil:5...Am I missing something? Soerfm (talk) 11:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Could you be more specific (or maybe this got updated)? I see the following "Most wins" listings:
  • Most wins, All time - 69, Brazil
  • Most wins, In one tournament - 7, Brazil
  • Most wins by non-champion (excluding third-place playoff) - 6, Netherlands
  • Penalty shootout, Most wins, team, all-time - 4, Germany
  • Penalty shootout, Most wins, team, tournament - 2, Argentina

Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done with this edit Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Most matches played always conceding a goal

Some people (or just one person) are constantly putting back El Salvador with 6 consecutive games in the "Most matches played always conceding a goal" category. It's not about consecutive losses, it's about conceding a goal whether you win or you lose. Until I'm proven wrong, Greece holds that record :

Greece in 1994 : Greece 0-4 Argentina ; Greece 0-4 Bulgaria ; Greece 0-2 Nigeria

Greece in 2010 : Greece 0-2 South Korea ; Greece 2-1 Nigeria ; Greece 0-2 Argentina

Greece in 2014 : Greece 0-3 Colombia ; Greece 0-0 Japan ==> Series of 7 games always conceding stops here

I'll wait until the end of the World Cup to try to edit the page, because it's obviously subject to vandalism every day right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brice LS (talk • contribs) 07:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Mistake in Total and Average Goals Table

While checking the Total and Average goals for 2014 to compare with prior World Cups, I notice that the 1950 World Cup is incorrectly shown as having 15 teams. While 15 teams did indeed qualify, only 13 teams actually participated in the tournament. The Misplaced Pages page for the 1950 World Cup reflects this, as it shows 13 teams as participating and describes the circumstances between qualification and the tournament which resulted in only 13 teams participating. While this is a relatively small error and easily overlooked, it is an error and I wanted to point it out, as this page is and will be getting a lot of traffic.

The relevant link (including the hashtag linking directly to the section in question) is: https://en.wikipedia.org/FIFA_World_Cup_records#Total_and_average_goals

Thank you, Terracognita (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)Terracognita

 Done with this edit Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Most top ten appearances ?

Isn't that OR ? If I remember correctly FIFA only introduced the ranking from the 1st place to the 32nd in 2002. I see Spain gets to be in the top 10, for example, in 1978 and in 1990. In 1978, presumably because they had a better goal differential than other eliminated teams in the 9-16 (in which case Tunisia should also have a top 10 ranking which isn't mentioned), and in 1990 with no apparent reason whatsoever.

Apart from being full of errors and arbitrary judgements, that whole idea of top ten is weird. Progression in the World Cup had always been talked about in terms of which stage of the competition was reached by the team you're talking about. When you were ousted in the round of 16, in no way did you have a consolatory top ten finish because of your goal differential or some other mysterious thing. I don't think I even saw that idea of a top ten finish being mentioned in any place other than here.

Brice LS (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The rankings appear to be based on an official FIFA report published in 1986 which is included in each World Cup article (see 1978 FIFA World Cup#FIFA Retrospective ranking for example). So I don't think the table is unverifiable. However, it does appear to be riddled with errors (as you mention, Tunisia's top ten finish in 1978 is omitted). With all the other breakdowns (top 4, top 8, top 16...) I agree that we could do withouth top 10. Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Someone must really like this top ten thing, because there's a new section called "Highest percentage of finishes in the top ten". It's particularly tasty given that top ten finishes is probably the least meaningful stat of the whole page, but is now the only one which has got the honor of a sub-section called "Highest percentage of...". Brice LS (talk) 15:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I removed that sections. As well as most 16-32 and 25? to 32 records. No sources write about those things.

Most played match-up possible addition

The semi-final between Brazil and Germany got me thinking : wouldn't it be nice to have a table with the most frequent match-ups between two teams at the World Cup ? For example "Brazil-Germany : 2 times, 2002, 2014) ; Germany-France : 4 times, 1958, 1982, 1986, 2014" etc. This particular piece of information is not that easy to find it seems, and maybe it would require somebody reviewing every game played since the beginning, but it would be a valuable addition to the page.

Brice LS (talk) 12:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Though interesting, what you describes seems an awful lot like original research. Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I think it would go in the "attributable without being attributed" category, and it'd be enough to have as a reference a page where all WC games since the beginning are listed. But if it can't get into the actual page, for anyone interested, the most played match-ups are Brazil-Sweden and Germany-Yugoslavia (then Serbia) which have both been played 7 times. Brice LS (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Mistake in "Most scored in a match by individual"(10.1)

No player scored 7 goals in a game the record is 5 goals and scored in 1994 world cup by Oleg Salenko agains Cameroon


Orbachkl (talk) 23:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Why no 'Most second-place finishes'?

I've checked the history and there used to be a table for Most second place finishes but it was removed on 09:29, 18 June 2014‎ by 58.179.34.246, who doesn't appear to have made any other contibutions to the wiki. This looks like a random act of vandalism. Should the table be reinstated?

11th June 2014 OK. It's back — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.105.175.8 (talk) 07:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ranks

I don't think it's appropriate to label ties as "4-5" and "6-8" in the Most Titles Won table, for example. I left Uruguay and Argentina listed as "4" to indicate they are "tied for fourth most titles" as opposed to "represent the fourth and fifth most titles won". I can appreciate that putting the range helps clarify the number of teams in the tie. But strictly speaking, there is no fifth place team in that table - only 2 fourth place teams. Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Moreover, would it make sense to remove the "Rank" column altogether? That way, each team could be given its own row and they would simply be sorted in the correct order. It doesn't appear that FIFA assigns a rank for records anyway. Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I would agree with no ranges in rankings or eliminating the rankings all together. My big problem with this article is why do we list the entire list of something.

For example: Top-three finishes

1 Germany (1934, 1954, 1966, 1970, 1974, 1982, 1986, 1990, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014) 12 2 Brazil (1938, 1950, 1958, 1962, 1970, 1978, 1994, 1998, 2002) 9 3 Italy (1934, 1938, 1970, 1982, 1990, 1994, 2006) 7 4 Argentina (1930, 1978, 1986, 1990, 2014) 5 5 France (1958, 1986, 1998, 2006) 

Netherlands (1974, 1978, 2010, 2014) 4

7 Sweden (1950, 1958, 1994) 3 8 Uruguay (1930, 1950) 

Hungary (1938, 1954)
Czechoslovakia (1934, 1962)
Poland (1974, 1982) 2

12 United States (1930) 

Austria (1954)
Chile (1962)
England (1966)
Portugal (1966)
Croatia (1998)
Turkey (2002)
Spain (2010) 1

Why do we list everything and not just the top three or even just the actual record holder? If a team has accomplished this 12 times, why is it important to the article that there are 8 teams that have done it once? They are no where near the record and really have nothing to do with the record. Chris1834 (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Qualifiers

Why isn't there a section with Qualifying records? Surely, with some of the records here, qualifying records would be just as valid? I think we should add in some records like: Most qualifiers played: Mexico 159 Most qualifiers won: Mexico 102 Most qualifiers drawn: Colombia 40 Most qualifiers lost: Luxembourg 113 Most goals scored in qualifying: Mexico 407 Most goals conceded in qualifying: Luxembourg 407 Most qualifiers played without a win: San Marino 56 Most qualifiers played without a win or draw: Brunei 12 (source: http://mystatsproject.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/fifa-world-cup/) and then other records that would need to be sourced such as most won/lost/drawn/scored/conceded in a row etc, but I feel they should be included if they can be sourced. --Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 19:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Does the media actually talk about those records? I doubt that. -Koppapa (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust 09:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

– I propose <tournament> records and statistics for a standard for the titles of the existing and future articles of this category. Reasons: 1) Conformity with the name of Category:Association football records and statistics and many of the most important articles contained there, including those linked from {{UEFA club competition records}}. 2) "Records and statistics" rather than just "records" as it is more explicative and better describes the broad scopes and potentials for future developments of these articles. 3) No "list of" because it implies that these pages are comprehensive lists of all possible records and statistics from the tournaments in question, which they neither are nor are meant to be. Theurgist (talk) 03:26, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose I am rather wary of the proposed titles due to WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. I'd rather the category tree and other articles had the word "statistics" removed rather than it be added here. Number 57 08:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment If these pages are to be moved, I would prefer "List of" to be retained as part of the title, following the convention of similar pages for clubs. – PeeJay 09:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per #56. to my mind, records = officially kept achievements, whereas statistics = any old trivia an editor wants to shove down. Fenix down (talk) 15:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment "any old trivia an editor wants to shove down" Have you actually looked at the article? No one else concerned about the massive amount of pure fanboy cruft in this article or the fact it's virtually all unsourced? Just me then. Lugnuts 16:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll be happy if consensus for any standard is reached, even if it's not the one I proposed. --Theurgist (talk) 11:01, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Although I think the renaming is a very reasonable suggestion given the way the article is at the moment, I'd prefer the article itself to be improved so that it's actually a list of records, rather than a jumble of miscellaneous (largely quite unremarkable) pieces of information. Tffff (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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Slow loading

Is it just me or does the site load super slow. Why? Is it just the size or is it the heavy use of tamplates (fb) ? -Koppapa (talk) 06:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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What happened to all the statistics?

Hi, I know it's kind of late, but why exactly was this removed - https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_records&diff=763517455&oldid=760067342 ? Is there someone where I could view this info? - Alexei177 June 24, 2017 17:14 UTC

There was no discussion about it, we can re-add the deleted stats without valid reason for deletion. Givibidou (talk) 12:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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Most consecutive successful qualification attempts

Brazil and Germany both have 14 consecutive successful qualification attempts since 1934. Spain isn't the record holder. Givibidou (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

During that period, Brazil and Germany have "missed" some qualification tournaments as title holders and hosts. Spain have actively qualified for 10 straight World Cups. I think that is the reason. :) 18:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC) Fomalhaut76 (talk) 18:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

First won by confederation

@PeeJay2K3: You have any recommendations where does "first won by confederation" fit in other Misplaced Pages articles ? Teams from the weaker confederation have longed for just a single win. For decades. From the newspaper we can tell this is regarded as a breakthrough record for many nations outside Europe and South America. This is a record with a lot of meanings for these nations. Lovewhatyoudo (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Who says it has to go anywhere? Those other confederations are weaker than UEFA and CONMEBOL, that's just a fact. We don't have to give the other confederations equal weight just because they exist. Maybe when a nation from CAF or AFC wins the World Cup we can mention it, but this seems dumb. – PeeJay 11:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I think the question was about the first won match, not the first overall World Cup win. :) And then it becomes relevant. When I read the Misplaced Pages articles about previous World Cups, there are plenty of mentionings regarding when a continent first recorded a win, or first qualified for the second round (whatever that second round was). Fomalhaut76 (talk) 18:34, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

East Germany and predecessor/successor teams in Overall team records

Currently East Germany (GDR) is shown as a Predecessor country, but this is incorrect. GDR is/was a separate team from (West) Germany, and is not considered a predecessor of the current GER team. When FIFA compiles a list similar to the "Overall team records" section (e.g. FACT Sheet - FIFA World Cup: All-time ranking 1930-2014), GDR is included with all the extant teams. Following FIFA's lead seems sensible in this case; I don't think the fact that GDR no longer exists is relevant for this list since it is a compilation of results for every team from all World Cups. Per FIFA, 80 teams have participated in the WC Finals, and IMO all 80 should be in the main table here.

Also, I feel that the current presentation of the Predecessor countries doesn't show the data in the most useful way possible. The "Breakdown of successor teams" format from the European nations page provides better context and is more helpful for understanding how these predecessor/successor teams have performed over time.

I propose moving GDR into the main table and copying the Breakdown format to this page. I'm starting the discussion here first since I've seen many back and forth edits about this topic when this section was on the separate National team page that got merged into this one. If possible, I'd like to get a consensus so we can head off any edit wars. Any objections to this proposal or thoughts on how it could be improved? Wburrow (talk) 14:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree otherwide we eould also have to add Slovakia as breakdown of Czechoslovakia or Croatia to Yugoslavia etc. It is bit complicated. Same with adding points (2 for draw in old.era etc.), Is there are dource how FIFA recognise that? Maybe thete could appear any source in 2030 when will be jubille after first FIFA World Cup? Dawid2009 (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2022‎ (UTC)
For your information, East Germany doesn't exist anymore so it obviously shouldn't be in the main table. What Fifa does what their tables is irrelevant for Misplaced Pages. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
@Aquatic Ambiance, I don't understand why East Germany not existing anymore means they shouldn't be in the main table. They did exist and play in the 1974 World Cup. Their records aren't represented in the main table by any successor team. The purpose of the main table to show the records of all teams from all World Cups, and it is incomplete and inaccurate if East Germany is not included.
For the record, I do think what FIFA includes in their tables is relevant. We follow their successor/predecessor policy for other teams. If we didn't, we'd have the line for CZE only showing their results from the 2006 WC, SRB with only their 3 as Serbia, etc.
I'm restoring GDR to the main table. Please stop removing them and accusing others of vandalizing. Our reverts are in good faith. Wburrow (talk) 16:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Obviously they shouldn't be in the table because the table is active. East Germany doesn't exist anymore so should be in a different section. This table was this way for years and worked perfectly fine. Stop being obnoxious and leave the table alone. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 16:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
I'd actually keep Dutch East Indies and Zaire instead of Pilippines and Congo until they quailfy under their new name, but ok. In any case it should not be restricted to active teams only. I mean if Manchester City folded their club this season. You wouldn't remove their stats from the Premier League all time table as well. -Koppapa (talk) 08:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Aquatic Ambiance, you don't understand, Former countries is not for countries that don't exist anymore, it is for associations, that were succeeded by another one. The main table combines those, so this section can be used to see their sole record. The GDR records wasn't combined with another team, it just stands allone. The point that is wasn't included for years isn't valid. It was wrong the entire time then. -Koppapa (talk) 10:10, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The successor teams are all in the main table. And the former countries section is for those that are not active anymore. It's not that difficult. This distinction is needed for a clearer view. East Germany obviously shouldn't be in a table with teams that are still getting points. It just doesn't make sense. Hope this clears things up. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
It's an all time table, it doesn't matter if some teams don't get points anymore. Would you delete Wimbledon F.C. from Premier_League_records_and_statistics#All-time_Premier_League_table or even Klose, Ronaldo and Müller from the all time FIFA World Cup top goalscorers list? -Koppapa (talk) 10:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
First one, yes. Second one, obviously not. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
When I see a table like this one, my expectation is that all teams that have ever participated are included, regardless of whether the teams are still active. I understand your point that inactive teams no longer gain points, and I think that deciding to have a separate table for defunct teams can be a valid choice in some circumstances. The existence of former teams whose records are included in those of active teams and that GDR is a singular example of a defunct team without a successor certainly complicate the situation. However, as far as I can tell from checking other competitions and sports, the standard practice is to include defunct teams in all-time records/standings tables like this one. Certainly that's what FIFA does, as seen in the link I included originally. And it absolutely does matter what FIFA does: Misplaced Pages is not OR; it is supposed to be supported by sources and reflect those sources. Is there a source showing a table of team records compiled from all WCs without GDR in the main section? I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong, because I really am not sure and can't find verification) that WikiProject Football considers FIFA to be the most authoritative source for matters of international football.
As far as the history of the page goes, the claim that it's always been this way (with GDR separate) is simply false. I've been referencing this table since qualifications for the 2014 WC, and GDR was in the main table at that time. In fact, GDR was included in the first version of the table added to National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup on 14 March 2010. The table has undergone a number of revisions since then, and I obviously didn't check every edit, but I'm not able to find an example of someone separating GDR out until your edits in July of 2021.
I'd have no objection to using some indication (beyond the current Germany footnote) in the table like a different background color, italics, or something like that to more strongly indicate that GDR is no longer active if you think that's appropriate.
Perhaps we should start an RfC to get a wider range of views on whether defunct teams should be separate from the main table? I'm willing to let matter rest if the consensus is for separation. I know it's important to get this page unlocked before more WC matches take place, so I'd appreciate hearing ideas on how we can come to a conclusion as quickly as possible.
My preference is to return to the format found in June 2021 with GDR in the main table and a breakdown of successor teams (but including improvements made to the table since then, such as adding a Participations column, etc.). In my opinion that does the best job of being complete, consistent with sources, and showing the contributions of each predecessor/successor team to their active team totals in the main table. I think standardizing the column lengths of the successor team tables to match the main table would be a good idea to give the whole thing a more consistent look, and I'd be open to any other ideas for improvement. Wburrow (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
I made a request at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football for folks to weigh in with their views on the topic. Hopefully that can help us reach a consensus Wburrow (talk) 21:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I have fully protected the page until 14 December to prevent more edit warring, but hopefully this issue can be resolved before then. If you find a definitive consensus sooner, please ping me or leave a message on my talk page and I will remove the protection. Anarchyte (talk) 10:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Why not just have all countries in one table but use colour/symbol to indicate which ones are "defunct"......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
I agree that having a single table would be ideal. The challenge is how to properly display predecessor and successor teams in a way that is consistent with FIFA, historically accurate, intuitive, and consistent. It probably merits its own discussion. I think having separate lines for YUG, FRY, SCG, and SRB (2010-present) that can collapse into a single line for SRB with the data combined would be great, but I don't know how to do it or if it's even possible. I think the Breakdown format is the best compromise I've seen, but it's far from perfect. Wburrow (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
I created a draft of a single table and started a new Talk session to discuss. Please take a look if you're interested. Wburrow (talk) 21:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
  • I agree that East Germany should still be displayed in the main table, with an indicator to show that they are now defunct. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
  • No, countries that don't exist anymore shouldn't be in the same table with countries that can still get points, it doesn't make sense. The "Former countries" section has been working for years, I don't see a reason to change it. It looks more clean. Obviously this is not about removing medals from countries, we aren't talking about the medal table. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
You seem to be the only person to think this way, and it has been this way for about 17 months, not "years". You split it out from one of the 2 duplicated list articles in July 2021. I checked the last edit in every year of both former lists (National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup and All-time table of the FIFA World Cup from 2006/2010 up to 2020) and all of them have East Germany in the main list. Spike 'em (talk) 10:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment Slovakia at the FIFA World Cup#Top goalscorers - Would you add Czechoslovak goalscorers (at least as diffrent oloc column/row), for example? I do not have idea but ask as thning to we should mind. Dawid2009 (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

No. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Looks like a consensus to include former countries within the main table has formed. I will unprotect the page now. Please note that further edit warring may result in warnings or blocks. Anarchyte (talk) 11:52, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I've moved East Germany back into the main list and renamed the subsequent table. Spike 'em (talk) 13:36, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Well done Maxaxa (talk) 11:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Overall team record

There is no Yugoelavia here but there is East Germany. No sense. There should be every historical nation and among current/existed ones these historixal should be marked as red row/column. Not sure it is good/not-subjective to count Russia in USSR's but say Croatia not with Yugoslavia etc.. @ Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Football could you please ping here more users for discussion? Dawid2009 (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 Yugoslavia/ FR Yugoslavia/ Serbia and Montenegro/ Serbia is considered a single team by FIFA, whereas  Croatia and the other teams that came from Yugoslavia are considered new teams. Same for  Soviet Union/ Russia vs.  Ukraine (for example). Similarly,  West Germany/ Germany is a single team whose records date back to 1908, but  East Germany is a separate team that broke off and has distinct records. See this ranking produced by FIFA for an example of how they handle the historical teams. Wburrow (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Yes, some user made a mess of the table. But I fixed it back with the Former countries section, how it always was. Hopefully people will leave it alone now. Thanks for pointing it out Dawid2009. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Include predecessor/successor teams in Overall team records table?

Based on suggestions in the East Germany section above, I threw together a quick draft of what including predecessor teams in the main table might look like in my Sandbox. I'd appreciate feedback on how to improve it and/or if it has potential to be a better presentation of the data than options that have the predecessor teams in a secondary table. Obviously it would need some refinement to get explanatory notes and the colors just right. My initial reaction is that it over represents the p/s teams and the distinction between FIFA-recognized composite teams and their component teams isn't intuitive enough. It's also harder to see the contributions of the p/s teams to their composite team at a glance. For those reasons, I still prefer the Breakdown format that has been used previously, but maybe with some work a single table can be an overall better solution. Wburrow (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 9 December 2022

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Eliminated in the first round the most times (and therefore most appearances without reaching the second round) 8, Scotland (1954...

This should read simply: Most appearances without reaching the second round 8, Scotland (1954...

The reason for this edit is that "eliminated...most times" is a slightly different record, mentioned elsewhere on this page. It is also 8 but is shared with South Korea and Mexico. Pete Ridges (talk) 11:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Many different sources crediting different assist figures for Pelé in the world cup, others not being record

The source you cite says Pelé has 10 assists, but other sources says he has 8 assists https://www.sportsadda.com/football/features/most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup and others says he has 6 assists https://www.besoccer.com/competition/historical-ranking/world_cup/2018/assists

Discuss it, should it be removed, is there a reason to state that some of the sources are official and others are not, or should all of them be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.2.121.77 (talk) 12:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Excessive records / lack of sources

Is there any inclusion criteria on the records listed, or is it just "something 1 editor finds interesting"? There are far too many records to make this page useful. There is also a woeful lack of sourcing which leads me to think that much of it is WP:OR. I've tagged all the sections that have absolutely no references, but there are currently only 64 refs (reused 23 times more) for the whole article. If my regexp is correct, there are 457 semi-coloned records and 23 tables, so almost 400 (80%) of them are unreferenced. Spike 'em (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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