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Section sizes Section size for Xinjiang internment camps (32 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 24,251 24,251 Background 77 39,069 Xinjiang conflict 15,800 15,800 Strategic motivations 7,734 7,734 Policies from 2009 to 2016 11,102 15,458 Antireligious campaigns 2,787 2,787 Groups that are targeted for surveillance 1,569 1,569 History 11,247 23,891 Leaks and hacks 22 12,644 The New York Times leak 4,674 4,674 ICIJ leak 3,647 3,647 Xinjiang Police Files hack 4,301 4,301 Camp facilities 5,632 19,496 Boarding schools for the children of detainees 5,140 5,140 Locations 8,724 8,724 Camp detainees 22,204 59,687 Testimonies about treatment 24,620 24,620 Forced labor 11,327 11,327 Notable detainees 1,536 1,536 Responses from China 16,442 16,442 International reactions 734 97,585 Reactions at the UN 18,377 18,377 Reactions by international organizations 49 18,945 Governmental organizations 14,936 14,936 Human rights organisations 3,960 3,960 Reactions by countries 56,347 56,347 Response from dissidents 1,366 3,182 International Criminal Court's complaint 1,816 1,816 See also 1,230 1,230 Notes 26 26 References 1,545 1,545 External links 1,718 1,718 Total 284,940 284,940

No evidence and no research

There has been given little evidence to these made up places. The only evidence comes from adrian zenz who only asked 8 people if 1 million people were detaines in these made up places. How do you get 1 million from only 8 people. The Chinese government white paper also never said 1 million people were detained. And those satellite images are also very vague. You show a satellite image of a building and automatically call it a camp? Some of those satellite images labeled a children's kindergarten and a apartment complex as a concentration camp. Why do they talk about boarding schools as if they only exist in Xinjiang? Do they not know millions of migrant workers children in East China also have to go to boarding schools because they are left unattended at whome when there patents go to work in the city? And do they only think that the vocational schools only exist in Xinjiang too? Chinese from every part of the country have to go to these schools if they can not pass the Gaokao exam or they can not attend higher education. And those vocational schools also have gates and dormitories and they also have to stay there for months so they can learn skills and work in skilled jobs. 97.124.206.4 (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Would you mind providing sources to back up your claims? This sounds like denialism to me. X-Editor (talk) 04:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Not Zenz but "Chinese Human Right Defenders" did use only 8 people to estimate a number of detainees:

The following table presents the data we have compiled based on interviews with eight ethnic Uyghurs. Their families reside in eight different villages in counties in the Kashgar Prefecture. According to the interviewees, each village has a population of between roughly 1,500 and 3,000, and the number of individuals taken into re-education detention camps from each village ranged from approximately 200 to 500 between mid-2017 to mid-2018.

AAAAA143222 (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

This site goes into detail into the flimsy "evidence" the press is using to treat these "concentration camps" as facts:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

There's also this reddit thread, where the user has compiled a number of inconsistencies:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/hzphui/every_uyghur_allegation_debunked_as_of_2020_july/

I find it fairly upsetting that both this, and the "Uyghur genocide" pages read as if both things are facts beyond any reasonable doubt - when you apply some scrutiny, that is clearly not the case 2804:14C:CA25:8625:8C01:DC72:730D:3049 (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The Gray Zone is not considered a reliable source per WP:RSP, and any web forum like reddit is not considered reliable. /r/sino, especially, is no where close to being reliable. At this rate you may as well have linked /r/genzedong for how inaccurate/biased the information from there is. — Czello 09:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Every single piece of evidence regarding the alleged genocides and concentration camps come from, as far as I can tell, the Adrian Zenz study. Do you not think strange that what I just posted, which uses logic, common sense and empirical evidence, is not considered reliable, but a study by a far-right academic who has stated that "God has equipped me and used me to discover and expose these atrocities" is considered reliable? ( https://www.premierchristianity.com/interviews/meet-the-christian-investigator-equipped-by-god-to-expose-chinas-uyghur-genocide/5442.article ) 2804:14C:CA25:8625:EDF1:A366:41F1:4DC4 (talk) 20:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

If you're trying to promote reddit (especially /r/sino) as reliable, while accusing Zenz as being "far-right", then there's not much more to be done here. — Czello 21:51, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

According to WP:RS, reliable sources are published independent sources that have a reputation of fact-checking and accuracy, and that articles should be based on them. Then I want to ask: if a reliable source said 1+1=3 and an unreliable source said 1+1=2, which one would you trust ? (Of course, this is exaggerated to make the point clearer.) The one that you think makes sense, of course. So please look at the content first and see if it makes sense (By logic). If you don't know if it makes sense or not because it is not well proven, or it doesn't make sense at all, then you can bother about if it is reliable or not. Another example: A painting "Xyz" was painted in the 1700s and everybody knows that. In 2023, some reliable person A says that a painting he found is the original "Xyz" and not a modified/copied one, then some random person B says that it is a fake one, because there is a car in the painting A had and cars weren't there in the 1700s. Who would you trust?

Apply this to our case here. Please read the /r/sino content. It is pure logical reasoning that is presented, as 2804:14C:CA25:8625:EDF1:A366:41F1:4DC4 says. Pure logical reasoning. And no, I don't think he's trying to promote reddit as reliable. He's trying to say that pure logical reasoning is reliable. Tryute (talk) 02:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

If you could prove that a reliable source said 1+1=3, and had done so many times in recent years, then you could take it to WP:RSN and dispute its reliability. Then, depending on the weight of the evidence, its reliability would be reassessed. Your personal opinions (including your own sense of what is logical) are simply WP:OR if you cannot back them up with reliable sources. Hypothetical musings are not the stuff of which an encyclopedia is made. Comments along such lines are just like rain on the dashboard for the project. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

He's asking for evidence and you told him to provide evidence to support that there is no enough evidence? That's ridiculous 203.186.166.58 (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

References

1. "China: Massive Numbers of Uyghurs & Other Ethnic Minorities Forced into Re-education Programs".

Were Chips Used to Control 'Behavior' in Internment Camps??

Were Chips Used to Control 'Behavior' in Internment Camps?? 2600:387:C:6E10:0:0:0:2 (talk) 07:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.82.69.82 (talk) 05:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Xinjiang Documentation Project

I recently created a draft for the Xinjiang Documentation Project. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Report on forced labor in solar modules

The NYtimes and others covered this but on coming here, nada.. Some reason behind wanting to present them as just working on cotton picking and tomatoes?

As there are multiple sources and human rights reports.

Big money behind this, that politicians in the west would rather not be seen?

I included the references and gave some global insight of the ramifications globally.

Putting US and German's out of business as they can't compete with slave labor.

Boundarylayer (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

This event has not been confirmed

Since China and USA are enemies, there is a chance this is fake. Please use more neutral sorces Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

The majority of our sources are not from the US or China. We don't have any WP:RS which say there is a chance this is fake. If you do please present them. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

no. 2. The title of the article says potentially, meaning it is not confirmed and is not a reliable source Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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