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| :Cbl, I pulled those records for the Hunsaker article from standings templates like ], which has a cited source giving the conference records. But to assemble those standing tables entirely, some interpolation and piecing together is sometimes needed. Often, the standings published in newspapers only had conference records, not overall records. In those cases, the overall records are pulled from elsewhere, like a media guide, or if all else fails, the archive of the College Football Data Warehouse. For the 1950 OCC standings, I also had add in one conference game that occurred after the date of the source (Oregon College beating Vanport). I always try to find the final standings, but sometimes I can only find midyear versions. The yearly records at CFDW for Oregon Tech during Hunsaker's tenure appear to be missing lots of non-conference games, probably played against junior colleges. One of the sources you cited in the article reports Hunsaker coaching 110 games over 12 seasons, or 9 to 10 per year on average. Only 1950 and 1961 at CFDW appear to be complete. What do you think the best way would be to cite the table, given what we have? ] (]) 00:59, 16 February 2023 (UTC) | :Cbl, I pulled those records for the Hunsaker article from standings templates like ], which has a cited source giving the conference records. But to assemble those standing tables entirely, some interpolation and piecing together is sometimes needed. Often, the standings published in newspapers only had conference records, not overall records. In those cases, the overall records are pulled from elsewhere, like a media guide, or if all else fails, the archive of the College Football Data Warehouse. For the 1950 OCC standings, I also had add in one conference game that occurred after the date of the source (Oregon College beating Vanport). I always try to find the final standings, but sometimes I can only find midyear versions. The yearly records at CFDW for Oregon Tech during Hunsaker's tenure appear to be missing lots of non-conference games, probably played against junior colleges. One of the sources you cited in the article reports Hunsaker coaching 110 games over 12 seasons, or 9 to 10 per year on average. Only 1950 and 1961 at CFDW appear to be complete. What do you think the best way would be to cite the table, given what we have? ] (]) 00:59, 16 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
| ::Cbl, I just found the Oregon Tech yearbooks for the season in question. They contain listings of all games played by the Owls. I've updated the standing templates and the Hunsaker article accordingly. Adding up the individual season records, Oregon Tech's record under Hunsaker comes to 54–50–4, which is a bit different from the 60–44–6 record reported in the . Oregon Tech forfeited three wins in 1958. ] (]) 03:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC) | ::Cbl, I just found the Oregon Tech yearbooks for the season in question. They contain listings of all games played by the Owls. I've updated the standing templates and the Hunsaker article accordingly. Adding up the individual season records, Oregon Tech's record under Hunsaker comes to 54–50–4, which is a bit different from the 60–44–6 record reported in the . Oregon Tech forfeited three wins in 1958. ] (]) 03:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
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In light of our recent discussion (here), why are you still changing season articles to the unnecessarily verbose and colloquial phrasing, as in this edit? Cbl62 (talk) 02:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Which part is colloquial now? I've eliminated the use of the "mark", to which you objected as colloquial. I found your arguments in that previous discussion very unconvincing and I don't feel bound to adhere to them. I'm happy to open this up for input from other editors. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Please cease and desist. Cbl62 (talk) 02:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- That's not a reasonable order. At least maybe identify the "colloquial" element of the edit on the 1927 Wyoming article? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- You have eliminated the colloquial "mark", but you have taken that which was previously unnecessarily verbose and added ambiguity by the insertion of multiple "and's" in the same sequence. The parenthetical elegantly and smoothly avoids the need for the multiple "and's". Your antipathy to the use of parentheticals is not grammatically or stylistically sound, and it is driving you to adopt awkward and verbose phrasing. Cbl62 (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- There's no ambiguity there and the phrasing is not awkward. It's certainly not grammatically unsound. But if you object to two "and"s in the same sentence, the points for/against could be moved to another sentence: "In its first season under head coach George McLaren, the team compiled a record of 4–5 overall and 1–4 against conference opponents, placing tenth in the RMC. Wyoming outscored opponents by a total of 122 to 105." The problem with the parentheses is it relegates top level information to a bracketed aside. The team's conference record is more important than points scored/allowed. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- I just don't get what it is that you have against the use of parentheses in prose. The use of parentheses does not demean or "relegate" the conference record and, indeed, highlights the information prominently in the article's opening paragraph. Parentheses are an accepted, efficient, and elegant way of presenting a related/connected prose thought, in this case, overall record (conference record). Your formulation, on the other hand, is unnecessarily verbose, using extra and unneeded words to convey the same content. Cbl62 (talk) 03:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- JW -- I apologize for my occasional curtness in our discussion. We both have contributed mightily to Misplaced Pages's coverage of college football, and it is only natural that we will sometimes disagree. But we should, of course, do so respectfully. Cbl62 (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- There's no ambiguity there and the phrasing is not awkward. It's certainly not grammatically unsound. But if you object to two "and"s in the same sentence, the points for/against could be moved to another sentence: "In its first season under head coach George McLaren, the team compiled a record of 4–5 overall and 1–4 against conference opponents, placing tenth in the RMC. Wyoming outscored opponents by a total of 122 to 105." The problem with the parentheses is it relegates top level information to a bracketed aside. The team's conference record is more important than points scored/allowed. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- You have eliminated the colloquial "mark", but you have taken that which was previously unnecessarily verbose and added ambiguity by the insertion of multiple "and's" in the same sequence. The parenthetical elegantly and smoothly avoids the need for the multiple "and's". Your antipathy to the use of parentheticals is not grammatically or stylistically sound, and it is driving you to adopt awkward and verbose phrasing. Cbl62 (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- That's not a reasonable order. At least maybe identify the "colloquial" element of the edit on the 1927 Wyoming article? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Please cease and desist. Cbl62 (talk) 02:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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I noticed you linked references to the Kansas City Medics in several season articles from years 1896-1907 to Kansas City University. There appears to be a problem with that linkage in that our article on Kansas City University says the school wasn’t founded until 1916. Cbl62 (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Cbl, thanks for pointing that out. I've redirected the target for Kansas City Medics football to University of Kansas Health System. That's where Kansas City Medical College also points. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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Rex Hunsaker
Thank you very much for adding coaching records to the recently-creating coaching articles. One suggestion/request: Could you include a source for the yearly records? Cbl62 (talk) 23:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Cbl, I pulled those records for the Hunsaker article from standings templates like Template:1950 Oregon Collegiate Conference football standings, which has a cited source giving the conference records. But to assemble those standing tables entirely, some interpolation and piecing together is sometimes needed. Often, the standings published in newspapers only had conference records, not overall records. In those cases, the overall records are pulled from elsewhere, like a media guide, or if all else fails, the archive of the College Football Data Warehouse. For the 1950 OCC standings, I also had add in one conference game that occurred after the date of the source (Oregon College beating Vanport). I always try to find the final standings, but sometimes I can only find midyear versions. The yearly records at CFDW for Oregon Tech during Hunsaker's tenure appear to be missing lots of non-conference games, probably played against junior colleges. One of the sources you cited in the article reports Hunsaker coaching 110 games over 12 seasons, or 9 to 10 per year on average. Only 1950 and 1961 at CFDW appear to be complete. What do you think the best way would be to cite the table, given what we have? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:59, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Cbl, I just found the Oregon Tech yearbooks for the season in question. They contain listings of all games played by the Owls. I've updated the standing templates and the Hunsaker article accordingly. Adding up the individual season records, Oregon Tech's record under Hunsaker comes to 54–50–4, which is a bit different from the 60–44–6 record reported in the 1962 Herald and News article. Oregon Tech forfeited three wins in 1958. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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