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	== Changing the lead ==

	The lead says "Koenraad Elst (born 7 August 1959) is a scholar and author of Decolonizing the Hindu Mind. His work supports the revivalist theory of Hinduism and known primarily for his support of the Out of India theory and publication of Hindu Nationalist literature."

	I would propose to edit the lead to "Koenraad Elst (born 7 August 1959) is a Belgian Indologist and author of more than 20 books on Indian history, politics and Hinduism."

	The current description is inaccurate. Elst has himself written about the defamation in this article. ] (]) 21:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

	:The article has already been adapted in response to that article. ] -] 04:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

	:: I would not be comfortable with a description as an "Indologist" without an authentic source. I very much doubt his interest is really "Indology". It is just Hindutva. -- ] (]) 06:34, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

	:::Agreed, Indologist may not be the right description, not without an authentic source. However, this description by Daniel Pipes is much better than what is currently written in the lead. ] (]) 07:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
	::::Daniel Pipes is not a reliable source for this. Eg see footnote 44 Or and . ] ] 15:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

	@] I couldn't find citation for phrases 'right wing' and 'activist'. Could you guide me or add relevant references?
	I also agree with ] and ] that 'author' is more appropriate term.

	https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Koenraad_Elst&type=revision&diff=959613987&oldid=959580602 <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:{{re\|Dhawangupta}} activist replaced with "author, right wing is sourced here:
	:Elst was an editor of the ] Flemish nationalist journal '']'' from 1992 to 1995, focusing on ] and had associations with ], a ] ] political party.{{sfn\|Nanda\|2009\|pp=112–113}}<ref>{{Cite web\|url=http://alfredvierling.com/?p=3240\|title=NIEUW RECHTS TEN ONDER, beschreven door Dr Koenraad Elst\|last=Vierling\|first=Alfred\|date=1 July 2013\|access-date=19 April 2019}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|title=Heidenen voor het blok : radicaal-rechts en het nieuwe heidendom\|last=Zutter, Jan de, 1962-\|date=2000\|publisher=Houtekiet\|isbn=9052405824\|location=Antwerpen\|pages=17\|oclc=50809193}}</ref> See ], sources don't need to be in the lead. ] ] 13:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
	::{{re\|Doug Weller}} Thanks for the update and your response. ] (]) 12:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Koenraad Elst (May 20, 2013). "The wikipedia lemma on "Koenraad Elst": a textbook example of defamation".

Warning template suggested

Certainly, the article deserves some kind of warning template. I suggest "Unbalanced", but are there other opinions? Maybe "exaggeration of his alleged right-wing affiliations" is a more proper description, but I suppose that is also covered by the term unbalanced. If you disagree, please suggest an alternative – not having a template seems unwarranted. --Sasper (talk) 14:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

No He is a strong right winger. What I say is that slander of him being a right wing by a strong leftist writer should be changed to proper qualitiative critcism of his works. No Adhominem. Mr IndianCotton (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Right wing author

LearnIndology, This is supported by reliable sources in the article body. Why are you removing this from the lead? Please read WP:NOTCENSORED. And self revert yourself. --Walrus Ji (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

The article discusses that repetitiously, It is best to avoid heavy words like right winger and Hindutva author. We have done that on Romila Thapar and Wendy Doniger though enough sources are available addressing them as leftist and Marxist. So, it is best to discuss the nature of an author's work in the article rather than declaring them as some ist in the very first line. LearnIndology (talk) 12:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

LearnIndology, that is a flawed analogy. Only people associated with Hindutva refer to Romila Thapar and Wendy Doniger as leftist, not the mainstream. On the other hand Elst is called Right wing Hindutva by every Mainstream scholar and plenty have been listed as source. Misplaced Pages has to follow WP:MAINSTREAM and clarify the subject in the lead accordingly. Walrus Ji (talk) 12:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Ad infinitum; see talkpage history. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Walrus Ji: Here are some quotes:

LearnIndology (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Quotes not relevant to this article Moved to User Talk, according to WP:TALKOFFTOPIC --Walrus Ji (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Could you please stick to the subject? We're discussing Koenraad Elst, a marginal indologist only known because of his support for Hindutva and fringe theories, not Romila Thapar, an accomplished scholar. This is not the place to rehash Hindutva talking points. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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neutral policy on politics

The introduction was more of a negative statement, where as any political author would be first called, "american author" or "indian author" he was not even called a political thinker but a right wing individual and islamophobic. This is not a introduction but an allegation thus it needs to be corrected as per the policy of wikipedia, Ujjwaljha007 (talk) 07:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ujjwaljha007 We aren't neutral in that sense. We try to reflect reliable mainstream sources. Thus our articles on Creationism make it clear that its wrong, our articles on Nazis aren't neutral towards them. See Misplaced Pages:NPOV means neutral editing, not neutral content Doug Weller talk 09:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Lacks any proper source for 'harbouring Islamophobia'. Even the affiliation to RSS is not credible. 2405:204:148D:59EF:0:0:1B2E:28B0 (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

There are more than sufficient references to this in The God Market: How Globalization is Making India More Hindu alone - by writer and historian Meera Nanda, published by the New York University Press. What is lacking here? Iskandar323 (talk) 12:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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