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:I think the brave victims part is something everyone agrees with and is obvious, Id say they were responding to the part about Melzer sharing their legal opinions ] (]) 10:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC) :I think the brave victims part is something everyone agrees with and is obvious, Id say they were responding to the part about Melzer sharing their legal opinions ] (]) 10:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
::Any response? I still think its about Melzer sharing their legal opinions ] (]) 15:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


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Assange arrested in Sweden?

I removed the following

Later that day, the duty prosecutor ordered the arrest of Julian Assange on the suspicion of rape and molestation.

If there was an order, I am pretty sure Assange was not actually arrested, and talked to the police in Sweden some days later. The referenced link is dead. So some research is required if this is to go back in, was he actually arrested or not?

Prosecutor Ny's abuse of process// extradition warrant.

"the Swedish authorities have never explained why they refuse to give Assange a guarantee that they will not extradite him" (a red herring that the Assange camp continues to spread, explained numerous times)

Sources: explained numerous

One reference is a Nordic Page and the other is the Guardian.

"This week, Amnesty International called on Sweden to provide a guarantee that if Assange travelled there to answer questions over the sex-crime allegations, he would not be sent on to the US for charges connected to WikiLeaks' publication of thousands of US diplomatic and military cables"

There was a blase response from Sweden

"A spokeswoman for the Swedish foreign ministry said the country's legislation did not allow any judicial decision like extradition to be predetermined."

Sweden's response would appear to be absolute nonsense. Immunities from prosecution are routinely handed out to all sorts of criminals in exchange for example information or testimony. In Assange's case despite already having Assange's statement, prosecutor Ny unreasonably issued an extradition process to drag Assange back to "Sweden" for "questioning". (Eventually a Swedish court ruled Assange's presence in Sweden was unnecessary for Ny's investigation)

Ny's unwarranted actions further fueled Assange's well documented and subsequently justified fears that he was being persecuted. Sweden has done nothing to dispel the allegation that Ny conspired to have Assange extradited to face the rage of the United States for publishing evidence leaked largely by it own appalled citizens.

Prosecutor Ny is at the center of the extradition process. That an English court upheld Ny's warrant to extradite Assange when his presence in Sweden was unnecessary for Ny's investigation brings the English Courts into disrepute. Its a basic legal principle that a court can not order an unnecessary act

Lets look at a hypothetical situation.

The English Crown Prosecution Service resists Ny's warrant because it clearly unnecessary to have Assange present in Sweden to further Ny's investigation.

Does this cause a diplomatic incident? No It is the just application of law.

Does this prevent Ny from investigating Assange. No. In fact it expedites Ny's investigation by removing an unnecessary process.

Does this prevent Ny from charging Assange? No Nye already has Assange's police statement and many others and can charge him in absentia.

Does this prevent the United States from extraditing Assange. No. The USA has an extradition treaty with the UK and is using it.

Does this allow Assange freedom and procedural justice? Yes. Assange can conduct his business and defend himself against persecution.

Does this cost the UK taxpayers millions of dollars? No. It is unlikely this course of action would cost much at all.

Does this deny alleged victims justice. No. Assange can be criminally charged or civil action taken against him.

Is anyone in any way hindered. Not significantly. Assange may still need to attend court. Ny has her nose put out of joint.

Is this a proper course of action for English Crown prosecutors. Yes. Prosecutors are officers of the court that are bound to assist the court act judicially. Court Officers are liable for the consequences of errors in law.

I just cannot see a valid reason for Ny issuing a warrant to extradite Assange who had already made his statement. Assange had a Swedish lawyer and would not be making further admissions. Short of torture or some sort of hypnotism to extract a confession what could be gained. I suppose there was the possibility of trying on some sort of honey trap operation to ensnare Assange or laying bogus charges of some sort as police forces often do. Then again I guess Ny may just have wanted to meet the famous Julian Assange. Maybe Ny thought she could seduce Assange or something similar. Whatever her reasons, it was a crazy thing for Ny to do resulting in a very disturbing and successful abuse of process.

Statements

@Jack Upland: You reverted my addition of the text

Melzer published a statement in which he tries to resolve misunderstandings and hopes that they will not divert attention away from the problems in the case of Assange. Later the woman said, that Assange's action has not been a crime for her and that she has "long forgiven" Assange.

with the comment "Removing slab of pro-Assange slab of text that is not in correct English". Could you please explain why being "pro-Assange" warrants removal. Additionally, if my english is not correct, please feel free to correct it. Nuretok (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

It felt easier to remove it rather than correct it. I think the pro-Assange tone doesn't really belong in an encyclopedia.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining it. With that view in mind I understand why you removed the text. What do you think about theses (hopefully) more neutral wordings:
However, she does consider Assange's action a crime. Melzer tried to resolve the misunderstandings publicly.
My goal of the sentences is to put the (currently) last sentences of the article ("One of the women interviewed by Melzer later sharply criticised him and demanded his resignation. She said that by defining how a "proper rape-victim" should act, Melzer was engaging in victim blaming and that his report was partially "untrue and defamatory".") into context.--Nuretok (talk) 18:49, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Poll: Should the fact that one of the accusers against Julian Assange was once working as a contractor for the CIA be included?

Talk:Julian_Assange#Poll:_Should_the_fact_that_one_of_the_accusers_against_Julian_Assange_was_once_working_as_a_contractor_for_the_CIA_be_included?

Happydaze1 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Please point to exactly where in your citations this is sourced. Softlemonades (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. Cite error: The named reference Swedish Prosecution Authority was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. Nils Melzer (2019-07-08). "Dismantling the Swedish 'Rape'-Narrative against Julian Assange".
  3. Reinhard Wolff (2021-01-24), "Verfahren gegen Julian Assange: Anna Ardin bricht ihr Schweigen", Die Tageszeitung: taz (in German), ISSN 0931-9085, retrieved 2021-08-22
  4. Reinhard Wolff (2021-01-24), "Verfahren gegen Julian Assange: Anna Ardin bricht ihr Schweigen", Die Tageszeitung: taz (in German), ISSN 0931-9085, retrieved 2021-08-22
  5. Nils Melzer (2019-07-08). "Dismantling the Swedish 'Rape'-Narrative against Julian Assange".

"No one disagrees"

When the the initiators of the open letter welcomed Melzer's clarification, presumably they were responding to both parts of Melzer's statement, i.e. the part about brave victims as well as the part about insufficient evidence. Burrobert (talk) 10:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I think the brave victims part is something everyone agrees with and is obvious, Id say they were responding to the part about Melzer sharing their legal opinions Softlemonades (talk) 10:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Any response? I still think its about Melzer sharing their legal opinions Softlemonades (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Cherry picking quote

Youre cherry picking with the quote https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority&curid=30924236&diff=1143410841&oldid=1143407476

She says "anything is possible" but spends the article arguing against the position you quoted. Putting the quote there is giving it false emphasis and making it sound like she concluded something she didnt

Lets not start with the "have it both ways" since you tried to remove something because it was in a previous section but also added that Assange was afraid of extradition to the US which was in the previous section more than once. Weve been good friendly editors recently!! Softlemonades (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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