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I think the SS article needs a cleanup or deletion

As it stands, while you've been the only person brave enough to write an article on the subject, just obfuscates the subject more than a couple paragraphs in the incel article 108.44.212.160 (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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Article expansion

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Korean Wave

All three of the sources I added confirm everything I included. It explicitly states that it spread within East, South and Southeast Asia. Please read them carefully before claiming I lied. I have added all of the information back in. Cheers. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I did not claim that you lied. That would be me assuming your intent. I was merely pointing out that your source "Transcultural Flow in the Age of Globalization: Digital Platforms, Fandom and Mediated Culture in South Asia," does not in fact state that the Korean Wave started out in South Asia. As well, "moderndiplomacy.eu" is not a reliable source-- especially in comparison to the sources which are clearly cited in the history section, stating that the Korean Wave started out in China, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. which come from academic sources. Freedom4U (talk) 06:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

What "Transcultural Flow in the Age of Globalization: Digital Platforms, Fandom and Mediated Culture in South Asia" says is that Korean content spread within the region early on (specifically in north-east India and Nepal) and then subsequently in other parts of South Asia like Sri Lanka and eventually to the rest of India relative to the rest of Asia (page 80). I guess that's why I included "other parts of...". I don't see how Modern Diplomacy is not a reliable source, is there a reason why you say that? Maybe the sentence just needs to be reconstructed. "The phenomenon was first driven by the spread of K-dramas and Korean cinema into China and Southeast Asia, subsequently spreading to other parts of Asia before proliferating internationally" or "The phenomenon was first driven by the spread of K-dramas and Korean cinema into China and Southeast Asia during the 1990s and early 2000s, subsequently spreading to other parts of eastern and southern Asia before proliferating internationally". I don't know just a suggestion. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 06:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

You specifically put in a citation for pages 13-15 of that book, you can't do that and then cite information from page 80. The closest pages 13-15 come to stating that is "Since the late 1990s, there has been a considerable entrance of East Asian media elements into the neighbouring societies and to some extent to the South Asian societies." which says nothing of the Korean Wave, and still states that diffusion occurs within East Asia before leaving it. The very first places the Korean Wave started to be a noticeable phenomenon were Chinese-speaking countries like China, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, and also several Southeast Asian countries, specifically Vietnam in particular.

Trusting what you're saying about the non-open access part of the book, "Korean content spread within the region early on (specifically in north-east India and Nepal) and then subsequently in other parts of South Asia like Sri Lanka and eventually to the rest of India" still only provides information relative to South Asia as a whole, rather than tracing the flow of Korean culture out of Korea. Freedom4U (talk) 06:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

As for modern diplomacy, they're not a well-established source nor are they an academic source (and there are a lot of academic sources on this subject, so it really does not make sense to cite news sources if possible). They're not recognized by other secondary sources as having any sort of established status and their own about us page states that they don't have much editorial oversight on the stuff that gets published on there. Freedom4U (talk) 07:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The concept of the Korean wave is about the spread of Korean pop culture to other areas of the world out of Korea. I don't see how you can say it's only relative to South Asia when the page says that "Hallyu" spread to other parts of South Asia (excluding Northeast India, Nepal) at a later stage in comparison to the rest of Asia. It then goes on to say that the "belated popularity of Hallyu in South Asia" is because it lagged behind internet penetration compared to East Asia. Obviously we can see how the wave spread out of South Korea into other parts of Asia ranging from China to Japan, Southeast Asia, Northeast India etc. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

It's stating that it spread to northeast India and Nepal before the rest of South Asia, not before the rest of Asia. The subject in that sentence is the South Asian region. As well, around the time it spread to South Asia was also the time it spread to the Middle East and also Eastern Europe. It is definitely more accurate to say East Asia/Southeast Asia -> international than East Asia/Southeast Asia -> South Asia -> international Freedom4U (talk) 07:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Potentially considering removing "before proliferating internationally" altogether and combining it with the sentence further down, that way it states:

The Korean Wave was first driven by the spread of K-dramas and Korean cinema into China and Southeast Asia, establishing itself as a regional phenomenon. Chinese journalists first coined the term "Korean Wave" in 1999 as hanliu (Chinese: 韩流; pinyin: hánliú; lit. 'Korean wave'), referring to the success of South Korean television in the country. During the 2000s, Hallyu would evolve into a global phenomenon, and by 2008, the value of cultural exports from South Korea would surpass the value of cultural imports for the first time.

That would both remove the way it repeats itself there and not lead into the article mentioning every region the Korean Wave exists in. Freedom4U (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

No it says Korean dramas spread to South Asia at a later stage compared to the rest of Asia and then explains why the spread to the entirety of the region was slower compared to East Asia. Korean dramas spread to Northeast India and Nepal in the early 2000s, around the same time it became popular in parts of Southeast Asia. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Early 2000s is absolutely later than Southeast Asia (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam) where K-dramas expanded in the late 90s, in-sync with the 97 economic crisis. Freedom4U (talk) 07:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Korean dramas gained popularity in China in the late 1990s. Korean dramas gained popularity in various parts of Southeast Asia during the early 2000s when local TV stations began dubbing and broadcasting Kdramas on local TV. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

If anything, Taiwan and Singapore beat China to it so that's not accurate Freedom4U (talk) 07:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Singapore broadcast one Korean dramas in the late 1990s but it didn't launch the Korean Wave there until the early 2000s. If anything, the focus should then be on China since that is where the term "Hallyu" came from and where the Korean Wave truly started. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

So the focus should solely be on China or should also state its spread to "parts of Southeast Asia" because most of Southeast Asia experienced the Korean Wave during the early 2000s with Full House and Winter Sonata (just as it did in Northeast India and Nepal over in South Asia). 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hhhqBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA23&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false This source speaks about Winter Sonata's popularity in Nepal and Japan. It also states how Autumn In My Heart launched the Korean Wave in Indonesia and how Thailand was one of the earliest markets for the Korean Wave compared to most of Asia. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I know, I've read it (it is also a Korean government source so do be slightly hesitant about taking everything in there as it is). However, Winter Sonata is 2003/2004 (like its popularity in Japan started really with its 2004 broadcast and that was among the earliest overseas broadcasts) Freedom4U (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Yep but that's why I brought it up because it's from the Korean government but yes the Korean Wave in large parts of Asia really began in the early 2000s or 2000s in general. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Hong Kong is a part of China and Taiwan and both are part of East Asia. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

It was Full House or Winter Sonata that launched the Korean Wave in various parts of Southeast Asia and South Asia in the early 2000s. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Actually, it would be First Love (1996 TV series) and Star in My Heart.

Most observers agree that the Korea Wave, a phenomenon where Korean

popular culture is enjoying fandom overseas, started in China with the

broadcast of What Is Love All About. In 1997, China’s national China Central

Television (CCTV) aired it, where it became a massive hit. On popular

demand, CCTV had to rebroadcast the Korean television drama in 1998.

Since then, more Korean television dramas have received popular receptions

from audiences in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Vietnam. In particular,

Korean television dramas accounted for 56% of all foreign programming

imports to Vietnam in 1998 (Korea Culture and Tourism Policy Institute,

2005)

and also

Since their initial popular reception within what Chua Beng Huat (2004)

calls the pan-Chinese pop sphere (comprising China, Taiwan, Hong Kong,

and Chinese communities in Southeast Asia) and Vietnam, Korean television

dramas gradually expanded their reach.

Pages 25 and 26 of East Asian pop culture: Analysing the Korean Wave respectively. Freedom4U (talk) 07:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

So really it was China, Taiwan and Vietnam that were the first areas to consume Korean content. When I said Full House and Winter Sonata, I was referring specifically to Southeast Asian countries like the Philippines and Cambodia. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

No no yeah, still Southeast Asian countries with ethnically Chinese populations-- eg Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand (as well as Vietnam as the outlier) Freedom4U (talk) 07:35, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

So are you good with my alternative lede?

"The Korean Wave was first driven by the spread of K-dramas and Korean cinema into China and Southeast Asia, establishing itself as a regional phenomenon. Chinese journalists first coined the term "Korean Wave" in 1999 as hanliu (Chinese: 韩流; pinyin: hánliú; lit. 'Korean wave'), referring to the success of South Korean television in the country. During the 2000s, Hallyu would evolve into a global phenomenon, and by 2008, the value of cultural exports from South Korea would surpass the value of cultural imports for the first time." Freedom4U (talk) 07:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but I honestly think you need to include "parts of Southeast Asia" or make mention of "the ethnic Chinese communities of Southeast Asia and Vietnam" because for the majority of people in Malaysia and the rest of Southeast Asia (like Indonesia which is the most populated nation in the region) it was Winter Sonata that launched the Wave. I like the rest of the lede but somehow think the "before proliferating internationally" was a nice touch but it seems to be redundant to include that in the new lede. Let me know how you feel. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

parts of Southeast Asia sounds good-- since it wasn't just ethnically Chinese region Freedom4U (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

yeah it does feel a bit sad removing "proliferating internationally" but accurate information comes first Freedom4U (talk) 07:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Great, thank you and may I add "late 1990s" since the rest of the lede talks about time periods? It may work better. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 07:56, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

yup i'll edit it in right now Freedom4U (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you and thanks for discussing with me. Happy we came to a decision we both agree on. Have a nice day. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 08:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. I do think the lede's lacking with regards to post-2010s (cough cough post-PSY and BTS) stuff, but I'll add that in later as I cleanup the "Hallyu 3.0" section which is in an awful state. Freedom4U (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I think the new lede is great. 2403:5801:98D4:0:207C:DF69:1190:7736 (talk) 08:09, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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