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:That phrase was removed, addressing your issue. But I definitely think the lead should mention the CHIPS Act; it's a pretty huge policy, and one of Biden's signature achievements. ] (]) 00:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC) :That phrase was removed, addressing your issue. But I definitely think the lead should mention the CHIPS Act; it's a pretty huge policy, and one of Biden's signature achievements. ] (]) 00:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
::{{re|DFlhb}} I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC) ::{{re|DFlhb}} I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

== Foreign Relations Committee section ==

The Milosevic portion of this Section Brings back memories as I was on one of the USN Ships sitting off the coast ready to land and go after him in Sept/October 2020. We were in port in Croatia with the USS Cole. Thier last port visit before they were bombed. But the foreign relations section is missing a key issue, one related to the section on Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq Section. That is his September 1998 Senate Hearing with UN inspector Scott Ritter. I enlisted in 1991 when we went to war with Iraq. Bidens remarks on September 1998 told me the reason I enlisted was not finished, helping make my decision to reenlist in 1999. The C-SPAN video is available for all to see. Joe Biden said war was required to take Saddam out. Senator Bidens talking up war with Iraq did not start in 2002 with George Bush. They started before George W was nominated the Republican Candidate and they set the tone for Biden to be GWs point man for Public acceptance. Joe Biden had already stirred up support in people like me well before 9/11. To not include this extremely critical 1998 Senate Hearing is showing extreme bias. This article clearly goes out of its way to avoid real controversy surrounding Biden unlike articles on other presidents. And those mentioned are spoken of with a soft tone. I feel for Biden and the tragedies he has suffered in his life but it should keep it real. Joe Biden is no angel and has a full log of verified lies. You do hit the Plagiarism issue mildly but from claiming top of class on full scholarship to speaking with a man who died a year before he was born, though President Bidens Lies have been delivered more "presidential" than Donald Trump's lies for which there were many, he should not be let off so softly. Because if he's telling such obvious lies publicly, imagine what he's doing behind your back. ] (]) 21:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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    01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

    02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

    03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

    04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

    05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

    06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

    08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

    Dripping with Bias

    What is meant by the statement..."Biden has addressed the COVID-19 pandemic and subsequent recession."

    This is so overloaded. Many would say quite the opposite. It may be true to say that he was president during those events occurring - but to make this statement sound so positive and matter of fact while Trump verbs/adjectives are all negative is quite comical. How can anyone take this site seriously when it is so unbalanced? 204.194.77.5 (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

    he spent lots of time and energy on those issues -- ie he addressed them. And the covid rate is far down and the economy has recovered. "Bias" -- I think not. Rjensen (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
    You or anyone is free to believe as you wish. Misplaced Pages does not claim to be the truth, only that the information presented is verifiable, see WP:TRUTH. Misplaced Pages does not claim to be without bias, as all sources have biases. Sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent reliable sources say. If those sources are not being accurately summarized in this article, please detail the specific errors. 331dot (talk) 21:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
    Misplaced Pages claims to hold stances from a "neutral point of view" (a.k.a. "unbiased"). This article is quite merciful towards Biden, while the Misplaced Pages page for Donald Trump is rather ruthless. For example, Trump's page says he "told lies unprecedented in American history", while Biden's page says "Mr. Biden's folksiness can veer into folklore, with dates that don't quite add up and details that are exaggerated or wrong, the factual edges shaved off to make them more powerful for audiences."
    Seriously? That's a funny way of saying "he lies to make himself look better". In fact, I bet that's what this page would have said about Trump if he said the things Biden has 69.50.224.93 (talk) 01:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
    Trump's lies don't make him look better. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
    Adding a source: Misplaced Pages claims to hold stances from "a neutral point of view" in its 5 pillars
    https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Five_pillars 69.50.224.93 (talk) 01:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
    The two gentlemen (Biden and Trump) are also different people, who have different actions to their records, and therefore their articles are different. It shouldn't come as a shock that articles about Pol Pot and Nelson Mandela also have different tones to them, and that is entirely neutral. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 19:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Then find some RS that says "biden lies to an unprecedented degree". Slatersteven (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Biden made the inaccurate categorical promise that “you’re not going to get Covid” if you’re vaccinated. Biden also went too far at the town hall when he categorically pledged that “if you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die”. Biden claims he used to drive an 18 wheeler. Biden stated he was at the top of his class in school, he was near the bottom. Biden said he visited Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue after the 2018 massacre, speaking to the rabbi,when the synagogue says he’s never even been there. He says our borders are secure. Biden claims he used to go to a black church for services. Biden claims he used to "help organize anti-segregation protests at Union Baptist Church in Delaware," when the church was asked, "they didn’t recall Biden attending the church." Biden claims he was arrested during a civil rights movement, he has never been arrested. Biden repeatedly told a story about a supposed conversation during his vice presidency with an old friend, an Amtrak train conductor, that could not possibly have happened because the man was dead at the time. Biden defended the US withdrawal in part by claiming that the concept of nation-building in Afghanistan “never made any sense to me” – though, in fact, he had explicitly advocated nation-building in the early years of the war, both in Afghanistan and more broadly. Biden was under pressure to quickly relocate Afghans who had assisted US troops, he said “the law doesn’t allow” Afghan translators to come to the US to await the processing of their visa applications. But experts in immigration law immediately said this wasn’t true, given the administration’s authority to grant “parole,” and, indeed, the Biden administration ended up using parole later in the summer to do what Biden had claimed wasn’t permitted. Biden claims under his new tax bill, no one making under 400,000 will pay an extra dime. Now, this hasn't happened yet, but you are a fool if you believe that. (87,000 new IRS agents just for people making over 400,000?) This is just a few of his proven lies. 2600:4040:2B84:6500:4DBC:4622:3046:4F02 (talk) 20:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
    This is your interpretation of Biden's actions- which you are entitled to believe- but Misplaced Pages articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. As Slatersteven noted, please find independent reliable sources that say Biden lies to an unprecedented degree. There are sources that say that about Trump, which is why we have Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. It takes a lot of staff to investigate rich people's taxes, who often have batteries of accountants working for them. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
    All politicians lie, but sometimes there is no intention to deceive, but simply misremembering things (see Elizabeth Loftus). The question is if Biden lies to an unprecedented and even ridiculous degree, as it has shown to be the case for Trump. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
    Quite a lot of what you wrote is just regurgitated Republican talking points. Many of them are inaccurate, such as the "87,000 IRS agents". – Muboshgu (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

    Infobox political office parameters

    @Synotia: the inclusion of his senate tenure has always been included in this article. I don't care much about the county council, but it's been there since at least November 14, 2022, and I recall seeing it there in various times before. Furthermore, the closer of the RfC declaring that the infobox needs to be shortened wrote in the close: keeping New Castle County Council would probably satisfy most or all participants. No, there is not a consensus in that RfC to remove either from the infobox, especially the senate one; I skimmed through the RfC and not a single participant proposed removing the senate postion, only certain discrete committeships. Biden served in the senate for over 30 years (the majority of his political career). They both should be re-added to the infobox. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 15:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    I think you pinged the wrong editor. It is Surtsicna who has removed the US Senate tenure from the infobox. Looking at Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 14#RfC on the infobox length and Talk:Joe Biden/Archive 15#RFC on infobox length - closing statement and followup recommendations, I see support for excluding the county council and committee chairmanships, but not for removing the senate tenure in full. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Muboshgu is correct. I erred in removing the general senatorship information. Surtsicna (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
    Muboshgu, thanks for letting me know I pinged the wrong editor. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    All has been repaired. Jolly good :) GoodDay (talk) 23:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    Why is his terms as U.S. Senator from Delaware not included in the profile?

    This is being discussed right above. No need to have two threads going. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 21:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    There is probably a reason as to why it is not included, but I was wondering why there was no inclusion of Biden's terms in U.S. Senate in his side profile as there is inclusion of senate terms of other presidents (i.e. Obama)? I was just wondering about this, and have a great day. 2603:7081:2C40:A400:EDA0:9056:F436:6FF4 (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    I don't know why it was taken out, but I'm putting it back in. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

    Skin cancer

    Not a regular editor of this article, but should the info about his skin cancer be added into the article? Crusader1096 (message) 02:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

    What information? HiLo48 (talk) 02:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Lesion Removed During Biden's Physical Was Cancerous - NYT
    Doctor: Lesion removed from Biden’s chest was cancerous - AP
    Joe Biden had cancerous skin lesion removed, White House says - BBC Crusader1096 (message) 03:50, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Eh seems pretty mundane. It was a minor, common, low-risk cancer that was treated without incident. Lean WP:NOTNEWS because it will have no significant effect on his legacy. We don’t have to catalogue every little health issue a head of state has. Dronebogus (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    This appears to be WP:NOTNEWS Iamreallygoodatcheckers 05:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
    Here in Australia it would be rare for someone of Biden's age to have not had skin cancer. It's not major unless the news says so, and it hasn't. HiLo48 (talk) 06:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

    Prose

    "Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act, which codified protections for same-sex marriage and repealed DOMA and the CHIPS and Science Act" it took visiting the CHIPS and Science Act page to realise that it was not among the repealed acts. This could be worded better. 2001:8F8:172B:49C3:24AC:2EBD:229D:F1BE (talk) 18:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

    That phrase was removed, addressing your issue. But I definitely think the lead should mention the CHIPS Act; it's a pretty huge policy, and one of Biden's signature achievements. DFlhb (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
    @DFlhb: I went ahead and added CHIPs to the lead. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 01:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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