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Missing coverage here

We are starting to have holes in the list of episodes, as the previous section about the deletion of the Virality Project section shows. That is the 19th installment.

We are missing 11-14 and 18.

Here is a complete list:

#TwitterFiles: The Complete List. An index of all the Twitter Files threads, including summaries.

There have been 19 episodes so far and we should mention each one.

We also need to make the numbers more prominent, possibly by bolding or by inclusion in the heading. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. This has grown to be an important set of releases and people will come here for an overview.Kmccook (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

What on Earth is important about this? It is important to those who believe conspiracy theories. The most reliable sources are ignoring it because the actual full files are kept secret by Musk who is pushing conspiracy theories. Actual RS are saying something very different than what this aberrant article is pushing. Why are we acting as tools for this one man? This is an encyclopedia, not InfoWars. WP:NOTNEWS WP:10YT WP:SOAPBOX WP:RS WP:LETSNOTEMBARASSOURSELVES. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

where did you learn all of that? 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Twitter Files #18 was a tweeted version of Matt Taibbi's Testimony to Congress on March 9, 2023.. Michael Shellenberger also tweeted his testimony to Congress the same day. Tabbi's version is the Twitter File #18. I referenced them both but maybe Shellenberger's should not be included. Also added an article about this. Kmccook (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

This all fails NPOV. We dont just create a repository of propaganda and polemic. SPECIFICO talk 00:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

This is a report on testimony before a Congressional Committee. The House Un-American Activities Committee hearings are referenced in Misplaced Pages and while I well-know one example is not support for using Hearings as a source, it does seem relevant to reference the Twitter Files #18 as they are a summary of the testimony submitted. In addition to the coverage at Reason, there has been reporting at "Forbes Breaking News" on YouTube: 'Censorship Industrial Complex': Twitter Files Journalist Michael Shellenberger Issues Dire Warning Kmccook (talk) 02:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Find some sources for the missing ones and add them. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Kmccook, don't worry. It's a bit early to find many sources. With time, they will show up. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank-you. I was hoping to fill in some of the missing files and was off work today so maybe got over-eager.Kmccook (talk) 03:33, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

You tried and got some helpful advice and criticism. Next time will be better. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Saying this was only condemned by the right implies that the rest of the world supports this censorship.

its not hard to see a strong basis for Musk's claims in the article. 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

What is clear is that Yoel Roth, Twitter's former head of trust and safety, meet weekly with the FBI, DHS as well as the office of the DNI throughout the 2020 election.

How is that "no evidence"?! 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

The only instance of "no evidence" in the article is:

Elon Musk tweeted that Twitter had acted "under orders from the government," though Taibbi reported that he found no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story, tweeting, "Although several sources recalled hearing about a 'general' warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there's no evidence—that I've seen—of any government involvement in the laptop story."

soibangla (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. Installment 16 definitely shows that screenshot saying the us intelligence community has say in who can "advertise" on twitter.

That's not "evidence" somehow?! 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:53, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

No, that is not evidence. It is cherry-picked, out of context material published by someone pushing a point of view. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

As far as we know those pictures were released consensually. Did Biden deny having released pictures he won't admit are of him, cause that sounds like having it both ways. 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

They were popular only with Trump supporters, not specifically supporters of the attack. 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

This involves two Senators, but according to twitter the entire installment was about Trump

Again, not hard to see what Musk meant. 2001:56A:78B5:3000:AD14:9EFD:996E:2066 (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Please stop creating new sections for every thought. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Could an editor fix the archive counter so we can remove some of the clutter from this talk page? Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 18:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Taibbi got fact-checked

Taibbi got fact-checked for his errors by MSNBC and TechDirt Andre🚐 19:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Removal of "Right wing" and addition of "Left wing"

These changes are obviously not NPOV and violate the existing consensus on the page as well as the long-standing version. @Kcmastrpc please stop edit warring to restore this version. Andre🚐 19:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

The source cited uses a mix of both where the prose prior to my edits did not. The version which was updated to meet NPOV guidelines has been stable for 48h. I'd request that you stop edit warring, and justify why the version that includes both left-wing and right-wing should not stand. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It has not been stable for 48 hours. The previous version was stable for months. Please self-revert as your bold changes have been challenged. They are not NPOV and they distort and change the meaning and the facts of the story. Andre🚐 20:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

You've made two claims that aren't true. It was stable for 48h, and I did not remove "right wing" and add "left wing". Further, the changes you reverted to were heavily biased against right-wing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It was never stable. Your changes were all reverted almost immediately. Your changes are being contested: 48h is irrelevant. As far as your baseless WP:ASPERSION and accusation of bias: there is no bias here. Except for your POV push crusade to change the meaning of the sources. The story in the source is that right-wing pushers have claimed the Twitter Files has any there-there, while it was not merely left-wing critics but critics in general that made this observation. Per the source material. Andre🚐 20:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, I revised the LEAD to WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY instead of just copying it, and I updated the body to actually reflect the source that was cited by adding "left leaning". If you don't like either, feel free to rewrite it, but reverting is WP:UNDUE. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Reverting can't be UNDUE. WP:BRD and you have been multiply reverted by multiple editors. Andre🚐 20:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

The Aljazera source clearly calls out both left and right sides, where wikivoice leaves out the "left" portion. This is WP:UNDUE and I welcome other editors input on how to WP:BALANCE in both the body and the lead. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:FALSEBALANCE. WP:CHERRYPICKING Andre🚐 20:35, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I completely agree with that perspective given the status quo. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Matt Taibbi deactivating his Twitter account

According to Zoe Schiffer of Platformer News, Matt Taibbi will be abandoning his Twitter account shortly due to Twitter blocking links to Substack, and that the decision will come with a price as far as any future Twitter Files reports are concerned."

I'm searching for secondary RS that are covering this now, that aren't just Twitter posts. But I'm leaving a note here so others can keep an eye out too. Assuming there is sufficient sourcing, as Taibbi is one of the major contributors to the releases this might be something we should consider adding to the article. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

List of sources, feel free to add more to it:

Note, having difficulty finding sources at the moment as the news is "breaking", there's a few MREL sources that I could add but I'm trying to keep this GREL for now. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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