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Deary dear, i wasn't expecting such a warm welcome... thank you.Thesocialistesq 17:57, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's the link for you: Wikipedians in High School

Oh wow, I just found you messaged me. I need to start contributing under my account again. Hullo Thesocialist! -Vav11

Indeed you do. You have much to learn, young one... Thesocialistesq 06:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

User categorisation

You were listed on the Misplaced Pages:Wikipedians in high school page. As part of the Misplaced Pages:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in high school for instructions. --Cooksey 19:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

If you don't mind I'll put it on your user page and you can take it off if you don't want to be categorized --Landon 20:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent, thank-you, go ahead. Thesocialistesq 20:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of 'liberal wikipedians' category

Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for voting! Larix 15:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Democratic Socialist, Social democrat, or liberal?

I generally thought these ideologies were seperate. User:Canadianism, logged out.

Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are liberal ideologies... without classical liberal principles to guide them, they could go no where. As for the terms "Democratic Socialism" and "Social Democracy", they're the same thing in my mind. One just goes moves right from marxism and the other moves left from capitalism... So yes, i am a liberal first, then a Democratic Socialist/social democrat. They work hand in hand. Interesting question, tho. Thesocialistesq 06:25, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Part of the problem here is that the word 'liberal' means something very different in the United States from what it does in most other countries. Like Canada, for example. (It can actually get hard to tease democratic socialism apart from the leftward edge of social democracy, as I've found during my own edits on democratic socialism.) But in the US, liberal is used to mean essentially what Left means everywhere else. QuartierLatin1968 22:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán

My friend was playing a game of "find out what's wrong with this article" with people over the 'net. I showed him the Sandbox. WhisperToMe 01:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent... All's well, then. Thesocialistesq 01:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind/Magical Realism

Responding to your point on my talk page, I can see what you're saying, but I would say that any fantasy or sci-fi story presents happenings in the plot that are magic or fantastic, but, like "Eternal Sunshine," these stories are framed in such a way to justify or explain the plausibility of these events. What makes magical realism, arguably, a separate form is that it does not aim to explain the plausibility of its fantastic or magical elements, but simply presents our commonplace world with these elements as being real. So while it may be argued whether the resulting happenings in "Eternal Sunshine" are or are not magical (I would say there's nothing magical, as these events are happening inside a character's mind), its because the events are given plausibility due to the use a technology that makes it more sci-fi, and that that technology's use and its consequences are further explored in the film furthers this. Though sci-fi is noted in the article, it is noted as to make the distinction between genres that people often confuse, not to note is as being a part of, or related to magical realism.Gheorghe Zamfir 23:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Meh. It's all right.Thesocialistesq 01:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

RFM

Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/French Turn is all yours. If you need help, leave me a note or send me an email. Your first task should be to notify the parties that the case has been accepted and you have been assigned. You should also discuss with them (on the subpage listed above) what kind of mediation they want: one on the subpage, via email, on IRC, etc. Good luck! Essjay 04:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The Rt Hon

Proteus doesn't seem to have been online for a bit as he still hasn't answered my question either! With any abbreviation, one can either use a full stop to show that it's an abbreviation, or not. It's largely down to personal preference – using a full stop is maybe a little old-fashioned nowadays. However, The Rt Hon is short for The Right Honourable, so both "Right" and "Honourable" are abbreviated. Therefore if one's preference is to use full stops, surely it should be Rt. Hon.? Proteus's version seems to be neither one nor the other.

Proteus is a fan of using Google statistics to decide things. Unfortunately, Google ignores full stops in search terms. But a quick glance at the first five result pages show the vast majority of people using Rt Hon with a handful preferring Rt. Hon. No-one writes it as Rt Hon. with only one full stop.

I have to say that I don't think a single full stop merits starting an edit war, though! JRawle 23:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Then we agree... Thesocialistesq 07:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

We use the traditional method of punctuating abbreviations, which is to use full stops only when the abbreviation doesn't end in the same letter as the full term. "Rt" is a contraction rather than an abbrevation of "Right", whereas "Hon." is just "Honourable" with the end missed off. So "The Rt Hon." and "The Rt Rev." but "The Rt Revd". Proteus (Talk) 10:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

That sounds a fair enough explanation. The Manual of Style doesn't go into much detail about abbreviations, although it does seem to advocate periods in some cases. I still think it's up to the individual editor.

If there's only a full stop "when the abbreviation doesn't end in the same letter", that means "Mr" and "Dr" shouldn't include it? I agree as I think it looks very odd written with a full stop, but the Manual of Style seems to say it should. JRawle (Talk) 11:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, "Mr" and "Dr" are correct traditional British usage, along with "Mrs" and "Miss". Using a full stop after everything is current American practice, which is why the MoS uses it, I'd imagine. Proteus (Talk) 11:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

That would seem to make sense... but i can't find any privy councillor anywhere who styles him or herself "Rt Hon." Meh.Thesocialistesq 01:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I puzzled over this one! When you recently deleted the full stop in the "Rt Hon." for Stanley Baldwin I was slighlty cross and irritated, so I went to look in my copy of Fowler's Modern English Usage. Here I found (to my surprise!!!) that Proteus is probably correct in his explanation of 10:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC) of when and where not to use the full stop in the abbreviation of words, but Fowler's notes the American use of a period in all occasions and a more modern trend for no full stops at all. You comment that you '... can't find any privy councillor anywhere who styles him or herself "Rt Hon." '. I suspect that at the time of Stanley Baldwin, he most certainly would have styled himself the "Rt Hon." (with the full stop). However, I have resisted the temptation to alter the style you adopted. Being a very old fashioned middle-class Englishman, who likes to be correct in english grammar and spelling, I realise that what was probably correct for Baldwin might not be correct for the 21st century. It also highlights the difficulty of being correct both sides of the Adlantic. --DonBarton 17:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Advice welcome: French Turn & Max Shachtman

Hi there, after a week or two of silence, a little revert war has broken out on French Turn & Max Shachtman, with Jacross re-inserting the unsupported and disputed material. I have asked him to stp, and to say if there is some form of dispute resolution that he would favour. I am keen to avoid this going to arbitration, but I honestly don't think that everyone 'gets' consensus and Talk as ,mentalities, and some discussion could still lessen these conflicts. Do you have any suggestions? If we do have to go for Arbitration, do you have any special considerations that we should think over? --Duncan 19:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I have now referred User:Jacrosse to the Arbitration Committee for their consideration. Let me know if you would like to be a party. You can find the arbitration request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Jacrosse. If you wish to, please append to the "Statement by DuncanBCS" heading. We must keep our response to 500 words or less, or it may be removed without warning by the Committee clerks.--Duncan 09:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! --Duncan 10:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Committee

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your request to join the Mediation Committee was not successful. I encourage you to continue in your efforts to help with dispute resolution on Misplaced Pages, and to consider running again in the future if you remain interested. If you would like to be considered as a reserve mediator (for those times when we find ourselves shorthanded and are in need of willing and competent volunteers) please let me know. Again, thank you for your interest in the committee, and good luck with your work on Misplaced Pages. Essjay 04:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse

This case has been closed. The final decision is in the case page at the link above.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 14:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

CS Lewis

Hey, just letting you know that I changed the CS Lewis page back to describing him as an "Irish author". Given that he was born and raised in Ireland to Irish parents, it is the most fitting categorisation (and it is how he described himself). The politics of Northern Ireland being as they are, biographic articles about people from NI seem to use the nationality that the individual did (or does). There is a looooooong discussion on the talk page about it if you ever can't get to sleep.... :)

Just thought I'd give you a heads up, and explain my reasoning to you. All the best, Martin 22:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Cymraeg

Ble rwyt ti'n dysgu dy Gymraeg di, 'te? Not too many American High School students who have much of a grasp on yr iaith, wot. The Jade Knight 06:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Union Jack v. Union Flag

Thanks for your note the other day and for your comments. You made some valid points.

From all of the paragraphs of discussion below my section, it seemed obvious to me that we were talking about:

1. Changing Union Flag to Union Jack. 2. Ensuring a link from Jack to Flag.

There seemed to be a fairly even number of people whose comments and agreements/disagreements were all jumbled up, and so need sorting through.

I shall atempt to count through and add them up, then present a summary at the top of my votng section, and then extend the voting to next Saturday night - and see what happens.

It would be helpful if, after a hour or so, you could go back to the Union Jack Talk page and record your vote, unless of course, you have already done so in the comments below. (I'll check).

Vivaverdi 21:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Baronetcy project

Please visit my user page - Baronetcy project 10:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done, B of England is done. Please would you take on Rayment (Anstruther) when time allows? Laura1822 is doing Abdy. - Kittybrewster 12:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Since you are interested in flags and emblems I would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 21:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Qpawn

Just a fyi, I have nominated Qpawn for deletion here. Thought you may like to know as you've edited it a bit (and you're the only person that's written on its talk page).

Qpawn deletion

Thanks for contacting me about this. I've looked back at the AfD but I think the delete decision was the right one. The link you posted in your message goes on to say: "Note also that the three key policies, which warrant that articles and information be verifiable, avoid being original research, and be written from a neutral point of view are held to be non-negotiable and cannot be superseded by any other guidelines or by editors' consensus." This article was original research, and despite requests throughout the period of the AfD no supporting references were provided.

Since the AfD it has been copied to User:Jemiller226/Qpawn - I assume that they are intending to attempt to rewrite to conform to policy. If that happens there is no reason it can't be recreated in mainspace. You can, of course, request a deletion review if you still feel the decision was wrong. Cheers, Yomangani 23:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Rt Hon(.)

Hi, frankly this point isn't of great interest to me. As long as all articles style the title in the same way it doesn't bother be too much. Having said that, I do agree with Proteus above about the distinction between genuine abbreviations and simple shortening of words. But I have no intention of getting into an edit war over the matter or of debating it forever- life is too short. If there is to be a change, I would much prefer the style Rt Hon to Rt. Hon. , however. So if the matter is truly important to you feel free to change all such entries. The list at Cabinet of the United Kingdom is prob a good start. Best wishes, WJBscribe  13:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I take back a lot of the above. Having looked through the Cabinet articles I see that many Infoboxes do use the style Rt Hon- even more amusingly most of them were written by me. On reflection (and to look a little less silly), I'm going to support Rt Hon as the appropriate form for all. WJBscribe  13:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

- Kittybrewster 22:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Bush criticism article

I understand you're working on cleaning up this article. Just thought I'd suggest the inclusion of a link to "Mission Accomplished" in it. And if you need any other help with the article, I'd be willing to lend a hand.A gx7 07:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Men in Skirts article

Link: Men in Skirts

I didn't think it was that bad for a first draft, and it requires development. Would appreciate explanation or discussion of your reasons for stating "desperately requires cleanup" Bards 12:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Government House (British Columbia)

I've reverted the change you done to this article. By The Style of Address of Canada that Lieutenant Governor is styled His/Her Honour the Honourable while in office and The Honourable for life.

This is the only correct way of address to the Lieutenant Governor and it's not 'odd' in anyway as this is a British tradition. --Cahk 00:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Editor review archived

Thanks for having requested an editor review. A month has passed since it has been posted there, and it has been archived. You can find it at Misplaced Pages:Editor review/AndySimpson, where you may read last minute additions. We would really appreciate your help in reviewing a random editor. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)