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Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part. Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part.

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On 28 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Iranian peoples to Iranic peoples. The result of the discussion was Not moved.

Nonsense sources.

Mehrjoo, Zohreh; Fattahi, Zohreh; Beheshtian, Maryam; Mohseni, Marzieh; Poustchi, Hossein; Ardalani, Fariba; Jalalvand, Khadijeh; Arzhangi, Sanaz; Mohammadi, Zahra; Khoshbakht, Shahrouz; Najafi, Farid

What's that nonsense sided iranian sources with full of propaganda about this so called heterogenicty of bmac Iranians with %3 Aryan elements lol :) 176.90.201.123 (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

You can not write UTC in the heterogeneity ok

Majwede (talk) 19:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Western Iranians and Eastern Iranians

The difference between Western Iranians (the Medes and Persians) and Eastern Iranians or immigrants began when the Western Iranians converted to the religion of Zoroastrianism and called themselves Aryans, and then came to the iranian plateau. But the Eastern Iranians remained on the ancient Iranian religions. The Parthians, who were from the eastern Iranian tribes, when they formed an empire and came to the Iranian plateau, continued to follow ancient religions, but gradually settled in the cities under the influence of the western Iranian culture. Until during the Sassanid period, they followed the Zoroastrian religion and merged with the Western Iranians. Mejlej (talk) 16:22, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 28 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It was proposed in this section that Iranian peoples be renamed and moved to Iranic peoples.

result:
Not moved. See below much stronger arguments in opposition to this article retitling. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  04:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


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Not moved. See below much stronger arguments in opposition to this article retitling. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  04:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Iranian peoplesIranic peoplesThe same as we differentiate German people from Germanic peoples or Turkish people and Turkic peoples we should differentiate between Iranian people (people of Iran) and Iranic peoples (pan ethnic term). The current article is about 'Iranic peoples'. Privybst (talk) 21:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC) <--- CU blocked sock of User:Dolyn21:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

* Rreagan007, Hemiauchenia but WP:COMMONNAME is not the only WP:CRITERIA. Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. Iranian people could also refer to Iranians, i. e. people of Iran. Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Mongolic peoples vs Mongolian people, Germanic peoples vs German people, Turkic peoples vs Turkish people, Finnic peoples vs Finnish people etc. --Privybst (talk) 08:44, 29 September 2022 (UTC) <--- CU blocked sock of User:Dolyn
  • I am somewhat persuaded by your argument, but the Google Ngrams are pretty persuasive too. If the 2 terms were at least a little closer in usage I would support, but for now I will change to neutral and think about this some more. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I think the title of this article should indeed use Iranic but evidence shows that its far from comparable with Iranian peoples. Altough Ngrams is not the only way for showing which name is more common. Super Ψ Dro 21:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support as per nominator and the explaination he gave below. With current title it's quite confusing so it needs to be moved to the precise title. USaamo 02:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Using Iranic is strongly adviced. It's ethno-social language family, Trying to make the language family ethnicity is only an absurdity that Iranian propagandists brainwashed with paniranism will believe.

If someone seriously agree with using Iranian, then we should replace Finnic with "Finns" or we should call Scandinavians as Germans or maybe we should use "Turks" for entire Turkic community.

I have not been able to understand why some nationalist polices still tend to create a false nation, while even Iranic encyclopedias confirm what I am saying.

"In the following discussion of 'Iranian peoples,' the term 'Iranian' may be understood in two ways. It is, first of all, a linguistic classification, intended to designate any society which inherited or adopted, and transmitted, an Iranian language.


https://iranicaonline.org/articles/iran-v1-peoples-survey Volgabulgari (talk) 12:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

For comparison here, on Google scholar, "Iranic peoples" has been used in 57 publication since 2010 , while "Iranian peoples" has been used over 1,600 times . It's not even remotely close, and it would be a disservice to the reader to use this frankly comparatively barely used term as the primary one. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Iranic has almost as many citations as "iranian." The nominator has sufficient reason for proposing this change and WP:COMMON name favors both equally more or less.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
"Iranic" has almost as many citations as "Iranian"? Could you please demonstrate that? Because the comment up above heavily contradicts you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part.

Strongly suggest keeping a close eye on possible sabotage attempts

There is a possibility of incoming sabotage attempts. Please keep a close eye on coming changes. Kane 1371 (talk) 10:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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