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	Recently a certain user has come through and mass-deleted a certain source that the ancient Egypt wikiproject has used for quite literally years now, since some administrator on IRC raised questions about it, apparently. At the time, said site was not on the blacklist (I checked), so I put them back. Now, you restoring them is one thing. You deleting a comment ] to our wikiproject about the mass deletions is quite another! ] 14:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)		Recently a certain user has come through and mass-deleted a certain source that the ancient Egypt wikiproject has used for quite literally years now, since some administrator on IRC raised questions about it, apparently. At the time, said site was not on the blacklist (I checked), so I put them back. Now, you restoring them is one thing. You deleting a comment ] to our wikiproject about the mass deletions is quite another! ] 14:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
			:I am sorry, I did not mean to remove that comment, I made a mistake when reverting the touregypt edits. ] <sup>(] • ] • ])</sup> 14:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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That cool button that shows you're online

How do I put one of those cool buttons that shows whether I'm online or not on my user page? Kevin23 04:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, feel free to add that to my page, or at least tell me how. Thanks, Kevin23 03:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Questions from Lethaniol

Hi Betacommand,

Two things -

1. At Talk:Glyphosate Ttguy suggests that User:Benjiwolf is using a sockpuppet - dont know the in and outs of it myself but thought I would leave you a message about it.

2. My adoptee User:Bluestripe has complained to me about you deleting The Strategy Paradox again - this time for being non-notable. Though I can see why this book may be on the verge of notability would it be possible to have an AFD instead of the CSD, or I could suggest to my adoptee to take it to deletion review. Cheers Lethaniol 13:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

#1 take to WP:SSP and two please take to DRV if you disagree on the deletion. Betacommand 14:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I have started a 2nd case for Benjiwolf at WP:SSP. He was Sockpuppeting while blocked and admits as much on his talk page. You blocked him before and mentioned he would get a longer block if he sockpuppeted while blocked. Can you action another block on him? His sockpuppets are leaving a wake of anoyed people where ever he edits. But he now does it all anon. Can you block 83.78.*.* and 83.79.*.* and take him out. Of cource you take out all users of his ISP. What is the defence against this sort of thing? Ttguy 14:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

DRV

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Strategy Paradox. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cheers Lethaniol 11:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment Do you stand by your deletion? Or are you merely adding to the burocracy of the Misplaced Pages. Serously, as an Admin, lead, follow, or get out of the way. Add value, or do not insert yourself in the process. Bluestripe 13:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

my username

What's wrong with the username ;sdbgvjew32??? I don't think it violates any of the username policies...

apparently random sequences of letters and/or numbers is what I blocked it for. Betacommand 00:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to explain: he semicolon is an (admittedly dumb) math joke... it has to do with differential geometry and covariant derivatives. sdb are my initials. gv is because I'm a fan of gianni versace. jew is because i'm jewish.

but I can see how it might appear random to someone who doesn't know the reasons behind it...

Happy Spread-the-funny and-slighty-random-love day!

:) pschemp (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Rex Germanus

Hi, did you mean this edit to constitute a formal unblock decline? If so, I guess there should be some reason given. I declined earlier, and stand by that, but I think it is clear he means that category together with the comment below the first unblock request to constitute a second request, which is legitimate in principle, so I thought it would be only fair to leave the cat there until a second admin actually does a review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Unless he places a {{unblock}} I dont take it as a unblock request. Betacommand 17:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

I'm concerned about some of your recent deletions. Can you explain why you deleted Caitlin Murphy and James MacLurcan for no context? The content said they were actors, and what country they were from, and gave one significant role. Surely this is enough to identify the person in question? I realize they were too short to be proper articles, and if this is all the content we have they're better off with a one-sentence mention in the main article. But lack of context? I don't see it. Friday (talk) 15:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Also wondering about Spoken (band). This is no more an advert than any other band article, from what I can see. Friday (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

the one liners were poorly written one liners at best, Ryulong ended up re-writing the one liners to make more sense and the actors in question were mentioned in other articles. In regard to the band I glanced over the article and there were some phrases that stood out that read just like a advert. Spoken frequently returns to Arkansas for concerts, even though most bands overlook it. & Arkansas maintains a large Spoken fanbase are a few. Betacommand 16:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

PS those stood out because they were one line paragraphs.

I see nothing poorly written in the versions you deleted. Maybe you're going too fast? Surely you realize that problems which can be solved by editing shouldn't be solved by deletion? Friday (talk) 22:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

This was archived without any reponse, in case you didn't know. Do you plan on being more careful with deletions in the future? Friday (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

True some things can be solved by editing and others by deletion. the one line pages were bare extractions from other pages that were choped out. I felt that the other pages covered the topic better. Betacommand 17:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for pointing out the mailing list! I have an account now. Sometimes Misplaced Pages still says I am blocked but I don't know why. Anyway, thank you! Three in the morning 19:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Can you tell me what triggered this?

re: new cat page I was editting when it was deleted. What's the scoop? BOT? // FrankB 08:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:CSD#C1 for why I deleted the cat. Betacommand 13:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I can play link games too...: from Voice of All # Deleted in mid edit . Fifty or so for content enough for you? Using a {{Prod}} technique recommended... when is there EVER a speedy need to trim categories or templates. Mainspace, sure. Administration and support namespaces... never. Then there is that laughably ridiculous the time limit thing-- four days to a student seems a long time, to someone self-employed about to put two through college, it's an incivil frantic rush. Esp. without the courtesy of a query. Cheers! // FrankB 15:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I was also wondering about the deletions, especially of WikiProject categories (i.e. Category:FA-class carnivorous plant articles). The list looks up-to-date as of 5 March, but I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to go around deleting them using an automated function (AWB? I don't know what Voice of All was using). In the interim of the list being generated and the empty cats being deleted, you might find some like the example above where someone is mid-edit, or in my case where I was instructed to create the cats at Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot and then go ahead with assessment. Should we propose a change to those instructions or somehow tag the WikiProject cats as not to be deleted? Has this method been discussed anywhere? Thanks! --Rkitko 17:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I just generated the list and deleted a few from it none were part of the FA ect group. Betacommand 17:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

PS I dont auto delete any. I did skip ones that I thought should be kept. I have been engaged with another task at the moment. Betacommand 17:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Right. Looks like User:Voice of All used the list you generated to delete empty categories associated with WikiProjects (among others). How do you generate the list? Is there some way you could omit WikiProject assessment categories from it so they won't get deleted? Cheers, --Rkitko 23:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

yeah I'll try and filter those out next time this was just a crude list that admins could look over and delete ones that met CDS#C1 and leave the others. Betacommand 03:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate it. --Rkitko 07:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Quite a few categories related to WikiProjects and maintenance categories were deleted - I've restored at least 4. They were zapped in good faith of course, but perhaps we need to find a way of avoiding a repeat? Perhaps a template saying "this is a maintenance category, at times it will be empty but it remains useful, please don't delete it"? --kingboyk 13:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Now 9. --kingboyk 18:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a few to add to that list: Category:A-Class Texas state highway articles, Category:FA-Class Texas state highway articles, Category:GA-Class Texas state highway articles, and Category:Unassessed Texas state highway articles. If they could be restored, it would be greatly appreciated. --Holderca1 20:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Just ain't fair!

category:Cities in the UTC timezone used have an explanation in the cat. Now reverted without a compleet explanation it seems to hinder the category CfD. And now they're deleting it! Frustratingly no one takes the time to explain any policy. Can you help? --CyclePat 19:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason that I deleted was because of WP:CSD#C1 Betacommand 19:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

VP

Hi, I have had vandal proof for a while now and I have had to keep un-installing and re-installing it several times now as at first it goes really fast then after a little while when you click rollback it takes about 5 seconds, nearly always more, however when I re-install it it wipeds my vandalism counter back to zero and I display it on my userpage so I have to keep explaining about it, can you help with this to make it go fast permanently. After asking questions on a sub-page the first time the user was very helpful and informative, however when AmiDaniel and another user replied when I asked about two months later, they seemed unwilling to help. Thanks.Tellyaddict 19:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

aguas frescas

What part of the link guidelines say that mexicanfood.about.com is wrong to link to? And does it say those links MUST be avoided or SHOULD be avoided? And further, you do realize this is a guideline and not a policy, right? Nardman1 18:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

EL is one part of of the rule set. see also WP:NOT a how to guide. even if it is not policy, GuideLines are also editing behavior rules. Betacommand 19:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

- This article has been hit by you and two other editors removing links to this domain in the last day, leading me to believe you have sonme sort of list, perhaps a WikiProject, you're working off of. Please link me to the talk page you've got this list. Nardman1 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Please to my knowledge there is no notice about this site on WP:WPSPAM but if there is a talk page that it would be on that is it. Betacommand 23:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

- I removed our conversation from User talk:Mexicanfood since it might have confused people there. The link in this article has existed since 2005, and has nothing to do with user Mexicanfood (who I have no relation with). I think in your zeal for removing spam you may actually be hurting the project in some cases, this article included. I don't want to fight with so many people on this issue but I don't think you are right. Sorry if my earlier comments at WP:ANI seemed in anger, they were. I'll figure out the cookbook since I can't fight the system. Nardman1 00:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting Nardman1 on this. I have left him a message on his talk page drawing his attention to the bit in EL about excessive levels of adverting. Spartaz 06:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Chemistry tagging Bot request

Hi, can your bot place tags on all articles within the Category:Inorganic_compound_stubs and any sub categories with the template: ~~{{Chemistry|class=Stub|importance=}}~~ {{Chemicals|class=stub|importance=}}. Thank you. --Parker007 22:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Err .. just saw this addition. There is a request waiting to get all compounds under the {{chemicals}} template, which is covering the daughter-project Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Chemicals. It would of course be nice that they were correctly tagged as stubs, when they are that. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra 22:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay changed template to chemicals; see above. Hope Betacommand instructs to bot to start doing to start doing it right now :) --Parker007 22:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Betacommand; I hope you won't mind tagging the subcategory of inorganic compund stubs i.e. Category:Alloy_stubs with {{Chemicals|class=stub|importance=}}. --Parker007 20:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Golden Skate links

Please stop removing links to this web site. I know we had a spam problem with the owner of the site yesterday, but that has already been addressed. The links you are removing are legitimate references to a reliable source for figure skating information, that were originally added by me and other people when writing the articles in question. Dr.frog 02:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxneeded

Why would this template ({{infoboxneeded}}) be added to a the talk page and not to the main article? It is less likely to be seen on the talk page! /Timneu22 01:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Usage For example, if an article needs to include {{Infobox stadium}}, then add the following template to the article's talk page:

Straight from Template:Infoboxneeded Betacommand 01:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I see that on the infoboxneeded page. My question is why. It seems like people wouldn't see it there. It just makes no sense to me. I think I should change the infoboxneeded page to say that it should be on the main article.. /Timneu22 00:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Dont ask me I dont design or implement templates I just run a bot Betacommand 03:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks. Your bot is great... too bad someone made you move the infoboxes to talk pages. That's not where they belong. Thanks again for your work. /Timneu22 09:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

might I suggest that you try having a discussion on the template talk page about having it on the page itself, Betacommand 18:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

wikified avalanche-center.org EL

Hello, I noticed that you wikified the avalanche-center.org and snowman-jim.org links I added to User talk:4.242.3.161. The reason I made those live external links was to leave bread-crumbs that would pop up in a LinkSearch. Wikifying them hides them from LinkSearch. Maybe a good compromise would be to make the external link point to something like http://SPAM.avalanche-center.org, that way it is an obvious spam link that doesn't go anywhere and it also shows up with a wildcarded link search. What are your thoughts? (Requestion 18:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC))

we have the site on the spam watchlist see: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/avalanche-center.org for our monitoring there is no need to leave live links we have a bot that auto updates the list. that is actually what triggered my edit. we leave dead links live ones just feed the spammer and help them achieve their goal. Cheers Betacommand 18:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't know about that Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/avalanche-center.org page and I'm the one that starting this Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Avalanche_and_climbing_external_links report. How does it work? If a spam fighter puts avalanche-center.org into LinkSearch will they see a hit from that WikiProject_Spam page? I know what you mean about feeding the spammers and pimping their PR. I hate putting in those live external links, heck, it even violates WP:EL but its a powerful tool. (Requestion 18:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC))

if you look at the history of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/avalanche-center.org you will see what pages were affected by the spammer and when they were affected. BetacommandBot updates the stats when ever I can run the update script. Check also Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/Report and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch for currently watched domains. If you want to add one just add the site to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/List using the same format. Betacommand 19:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that is really cool. Does your bot automatically collect links from the project page that are added to the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/List? It would be useful if Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Spam/Report listed the link search counts from both the "all" and the "(Main)" namespaces. For example; I've been watching tinyurl.com usage and keeping it clean, there are many search hits in the User and Talk spaces that I'm not allowed to change but none in the (Main) space. So a report string of something like "xyzzy.com has 456,0 links on wikipedia" would be very informative to me (the zero being the main space counts). Another thing that would be really great is if you added a live external link to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/avalanche-center.org, maybe with a prefix like spam.xyzzy.com, so that a standard LinkSearch would find it. You could even add a sentence that mentions WikiProject_Spam and the significance of this LinkSearch hit. (Requestion 21:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC))

Im working on that it should be inplace within a day or two. Betacommand 18:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to the new feature. You know, another thing that would be extremely useful is if your bot system would add the diff, user account, or article page of the spam revert that is done with the linksearch. Or maybe just log the wiki article names where the link is found. The reason is I'm watching this avalanche spammer closely and if someone else does the revert on an article that I'm not watching then I miss it. This guy is one spam away from blacklisting which is why I want to catch him in the act. (Requestion 01:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC))

Still not on the user list

Hi again. I registered for VandalProof about 2 weeks ago. I said it wasn't working and you said you fixed the user list on Feb 26th, but it still isn't working, giving the "not on the user list" error. I don't know why. Please fix. Thanks. Deco 06:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

can you explain your edit of Bahá'í Faith in fiction

It seems like you removed the specific part of an ebay link leaving an amazon link intact. I don't understand "(Removed extraneous links as per WP:EL using AWB)". I think maybe what you were doing was chopping a second link for the same thing in the Sherlock Holmes section. I originally included both because I didn't want to favor one commercial website over another. I don't see clearly the particular relevance of WP:EL that made you edit this way. It's also a bit weird in that the way the whole page was sectionally deleted and reloaded which I don't understand (perhaps it's a side effect of using AWB?)--Smkolins 02:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

sectionally deleted the only thing that I removed was the link to ebay. I also made some general clean-up. EL and WP:SPAM were why I removed ebay. ebay is not a good link it exist to sell products. if you can find a better link please remove amazon Commercial links are rarely a good thing. Betacommand 03:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If I could have found such references from non-commercial websites I would have used them. Instead I was able to provide a balanced reference to not favor one commercial website over another. Did anyone review such issues in the policies or is there some general "remove commercial website links" thing going on?--Smkolins 22:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Well in an ideal world there would be zero commercial links. Amazon and e-bay are both bad sites to use but if you have to use one amazon is better than e-bay. Betacommand 00:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. But is this a matter of policy - that amazon is to be preferred over ebay?--Smkolins 10:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

= in usernames

It appears some people think that ='s aren't a problem, and that users should use the 1= notation, and that bots should be reprogrammed to understand this. _InBC 18:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

VP user list corrupt

Sorry if you have been given this message already, but I just got a msg in VP135 that the "user list is corrupt. Please contact a moderator to have it repaired." Is there anything you can do? Thanks in advance... Katalaveno_C 02:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it is fixed now... Katalaveno_C 03:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks!

for the vandalproof approval ;) †Bloodpack† 03:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for VP but help!

thanks for the approval. i am having trouble with the software. it recognizes my user name when i log in (fills the field out for me), but when i try and verify, it tells me that i am not on the user list. i am using IE/VISTA/NORTON07. thanks the_undertow 21:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering

Why did you indef block an IP? it only has one contrib Betacommand 19:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the block to three months. While the vandalism itself is not at the level that I'd normally give more than a warning, it caused an entire town in my province to freak out. I'm doing this in my attempt to woo the media and mayor of the town to encourage citizens to collaborate on the Sioux Lookout, Ontario article, and build it up as a community. -- Zanimum 13:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Shepseskaf

Dear Betacommand, I strongly believe Misplaced Pages should make an exception and allow the Touregypt web link here on king Shepseskaf to appear. The only other web links on this king provide minimal information on this ruler--no pictures, nothing. PS: I have posted info. on my User Id# 24.87.136.31 account but this because I forget to sign in. As far as I know, I do my best to cite academic sources for my contributions on Egyptology; and not crack pot ideas and have never vandalised any Misplaced Pages sites. Pls give consideration to my request on Shepseskaf who is very poorly known outside the small Egyptological community. With kind Regards, Leoboudv 01:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

On other thing: the web link which I removed but you automatically reverted on W. B. Emery that I removed but which you reverted is truly dead. Have you tried to access it? Leoboudv 02:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Replacement of images

Per your request of the image names to be replaced on IRC:

I hope you have a most wonderful day, Betacommand, and happy editing! Kyra_~(talk) 03:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Concerning recent deletions

Recently a certain user has come through and mass-deleted a certain source that the ancient Egypt wikiproject has used for quite literally years now, since some administrator on IRC raised questions about it, apparently. At the time, said site was not on the blacklist (I checked), so I put them back. Now, you restoring them is one thing. You deleting a comment here to our wikiproject about the mass deletions is quite another! Thanatosimii 14:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, I did not mean to remove that comment, I made a mistake when reverting the touregypt edits. Betacommand 14:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)