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	On an ''Antiques Roadshow'' episode (apparently "Durham Cathedral I" in 2016) a guest brought in some documents inherited from a relative purporting to show that the codewords had been changed shortly before the invasion went forward, with distinct new codewords for "Operation Overlord" ("Exercise Hornpipe") and "D Day" ("Halcyon"), as well as a codeword to announce postponement. The documents also included copies of signals reports using these codewords. It's been quite a few years since that episode aired: were these documents ever authenticated? ] (]) 02:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)		On an ''Antiques Roadshow'' episode (apparently "Durham Cathedral I" in 2016) a guest brought in some documents inherited from a relative purporting to show that the codewords had been changed shortly before the invasion went forward, with distinct new codewords for "Operation Overlord" ("Exercise Hornpipe") and "D Day" ("Halcyon"), as well as a codeword to announce postponement. The documents also included copies of signals reports using these codewords. It's been quite a few years since that episode aired: were these documents ever authenticated? ] (]) 02:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
			:I found a few articles that repeat the information from the show, for example . The same info and photos can be seen in a .
			* : "Eisenhower directed that the signal 'Exercise Hornpipe plus six' be sent to all Commanders-in-Chief. It mean that D-Day was set for June 5, 1944."
			* : "The Allied planning staff had come to the same conclusion as Rommel. On three days only, 5, 6, and 7 June, would factors such as tides and currents, phase of the moon and hours of daylight be right for Neptune. Y-Day, codenamed Halcyon, the day on which all preparations for the assault must be completed, was set for 1 June".
			Haswell (1979), The Intelligence and Deception of the D-Day Landings, p. 191: "Ripcord: codeword used in postponing D-Day"

			Kind of seems like the documents were taken out of context and the show/press ran with it without hitting the books?] (]) 19:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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Eisenhower message

Surely there must be a recording of Eisenhower's D-Day message that doesn't have the absurd "movie" music plastered all over it. It is certainly unauthentic and unecyclopedic 2600:1700:CA10:18A0:40A1:CBC8:75B2:255 (talk) 03:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not the only video with such absurd music. Why were these videos accepted with such soundtrack? 74.59.74.76 (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

here's a version of it without the background music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ7IKM-jiJI 74.59.74.76 (talk) 14:29, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Polish losses too low?

Article gives Polish losses as 1,350 casualties, August 1-23 1944, yet the articles on Misplaced Pages about Operation Totalize (August 8-9) and Operation Tractable (August 14-21), the two biggest Normandy battles with polish involvement, show Polish losses during those two combined as being 2,097. Not to mention the casualties suffered on other days. 72.26.17.219 (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Preview text vandalism?

When I hover the link to this article from another page, the preview text comes up "Operation Spongebob was the codename for the Eugene..."

Why this shows up in the preview but not the article or how to fix it I have no idea, so I thought I'd flag it here for someone who does. Orthostasis (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The problem was fixed on Match 24. As some pages are cached, it might take a while for the vandalism to disappear completely. — Diannaa (talk) 11:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism, of a sort.

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When I hover over the link "Battle of Normandy" in Tiger II, it says "Operation Spongebob was the codename for Eugene, the Allied operation that launched..." and yet when I click on it it says "Operation Overlord" and "Battle of Normandy". Someone tell me how to fix it or fix it for me? KingAviationKid (talk) 15:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Just give it a few minutes, there was some vandalism that's already been reverted and the cache needs to catch up. Sario528 (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Change of codewords

On an Antiques Roadshow episode (apparently "Durham Cathedral I" in 2016) a guest brought in some documents inherited from a relative purporting to show that the codewords had been changed shortly before the invasion went forward, with distinct new codewords for "Operation Overlord" ("Exercise Hornpipe") and "D Day" ("Halcyon"), as well as a codeword to announce postponement. The documents also included copies of signals reports using these codewords. It's been quite a few years since that episode aired: were these documents ever authenticated? 207.180.169.36 (talk) 02:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I found a few articles that repeat the information from the show, for example this one by The Times (paywall). The same info and photos can be seen in a Daily Mail article on the subject.

Brown (1975), Bodyguard of Lies v. 10, p. 624: "Eisenhower directed that the signal 'Exercise Hornpipe plus six' be sent to all Commanders-in-Chief. It mean that D-Day was set for June 5, 1944."
Haswell (1979), The Intelligence and Deception of the D-Day Landings, p. 151: "The Allied planning staff had come to the same conclusion as Rommel. On three days only, 5, 6, and 7 June, would factors such as tides and currents, phase of the moon and hours of daylight be right for Neptune. Y-Day, codenamed Halcyon, the day on which all preparations for the assault must be completed, was set for 1 June".

Haswell (1979), The Intelligence and Deception of the D-Day Landings, p. 191: "Ripcord: codeword used in postponing D-Day"

Kind of seems like the documents were taken out of context and the show/press ran with it without hitting the books?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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