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===Etymology and definition===
*The sentence "Defining humanism reveals the controversy surrounding humanism" is a little unclear--what controversy? Can you rephrase what this sentence is trying to convey, and we can rewrite it? Is the controversy just that there's no clear accepted definition of humanism?
*I removed the last line of the Hook definition because it's clunky, but let me know if you think that's important and we can re-add it, although it may need to rephrase the sentence so it flows better.
] ''(]·])'' 13:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

:Yes {{re|Alyo}}, there is not a consensus on the definition- but you are right, "controversy" is probable an overstatement. No, Hook's definition is not that important. ]] 03:08, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
::@] Do you want to rephrase it to say something else about there not being consensus on the definition? ] ''(]·])'' 14:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Ok, sure, I will, but maybe on Monday.]] 15:17, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
::::No rush! I created this section so that we can work on different things at different times. ] ''(]·])'' 15:29, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok, here it is how I have re-worded the specific sentence. ]] 09:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

===]===
*I added some cite tags to this section, but on the whole I would just say to make sure that the ''sources'' say that, for example, Protagoras was making proto-humanist statements, or that there's a direct line of connection between Socrates and later humanism. The quotes themselves don't need citations, but this article is making an argument that they represent early humanist thought, or at least that there's a connection between these quotes and later humanism--and ''that'' needs a citation. If a source doesn't say that Epicurus or eudaimonia is connected to humanism, then why is it mentioned at all, right? So just make sure those sources are doing that connection. ] ''(]·])'' 16:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

:Hi {{re|Alyo}}, thanks for your edits and comments. Sometimes, I do not add a ref at the end of every sentence, I add it at the the end of the next sentence or at the end of a paragraph. I remember reading ''that'' connection somewhere, I am sure I will find it. Almost all RS on humanism treat Protagoras in the same fashion. I will go slow, it might take me a week or so. ]] 08:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::That's exactly what I assumed you were doing--in general that's ok, but since so many of your sources are offline and the reviewer can't immediately check them, you will help yourself a lot in a future GAR if you add more footnotes. The other factor here is that some of these sentences are very ''big'' in what ideas they convey. For example {{tqq|Pre-Socratic philosophers were the first Western philosophers to attempt to explain the world in terms of human reason and natural law without relying on myth, tradition, or religion}} seems true as I read the section and I'm sure is backed up by the book, but it's also a very notable statement about one group of philosophers being the ''first'' to explain the world a certain way--I think that's important enough that we should have a footnote for it. ] ''(]·])'' 15:00, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I am not keen on adding footnotes. It is like hiding text in small corners. Also it aesthetically, they are somehow problematic. I understand though, this is a matter of taste. In any case, if it is going to help with GAR, I will do it. About Pre-socratics now, it is a widely accepted claim, I am sure there is plenty of evidence but what exactly should I add? as a |ps= or ? And should I just add the text from the book I read +/- a very short comment? ]] 10:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Sorry, when I say footnotes I just use that as a synonym for a citations--I don't mean an explanatory footnote with text. If you don't want to add text in footnotes I'm completely fine with that. Unless you are making very extreme claims, most reviewers will assume good faith about you inserting a citation, and they will trust you that it backs up the sentence. ] ''(]·])'' 16:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I had already prepared this edit, so tell me what you think. ]] 18:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::I think that's great, but yes, I apologize for not being more clear--I didn't mean that you needed to type up content from each source into a footnote. Just the "Law 2011" or "Curd 2020" might be sufficient. ] ''(]·])'' 22:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::No problem. ]] 06:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The connection of the ancient greek thought and contemporary humanism, is well established in various RS. For example,
*Corlis Lamont (1997)- p68 The Humanist viewpoint permeated much of Greek culture during the Periclean Age
*AC Grayling, Handbook of Humanism (2015) p87: "Despite the fact that the word ‘humanism’ has a short history, relatively speaking, its contemporary meaning relates it to the ethical tradition begun in classical antiquity".
*Soffer 550:<small>Heidegger, Humanism, and the Destruction of History, Author(s): Gail Soffer Source: The Review of Metaphysics, Vol. 49, No. 3 (Mar., 1996), pp. 547-576</small> "Yet in the first instance, for Heidegger "humanism" retains its wholly traditional his torical reference: the movement to retrieve the literary and artistic heritage of ancient Greece and Rome, and to establish study of the classics as an educative ideal, a movement begun in the Renaissance and still effective in Heidegger's own day in, for example, the institu tion of the humanistic Gymnasium."
*J.Brent Crosson, The Oxford Handbook of Humanism: "The story of Humanism is also told as an insular European story of the reawakening of the knowledge of Ancient Greece"
*Stephen Law: "But perhaps the most important Ancient Greek philosopher, from the point of view of humanism, is Epicurus (341–271 BC)" Law dedicates 6 pages in discussing classical thought in History Section of ''humanism A Very Short Introduction''.

The above list is not a complete. Other authors discuss specific preSocratic (mostly Protagoras) or classical philosophers. ]] 10:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

:Thinking about it over the weekend, maybe we should add a phrase or a sentence on this. It seems more important that the rest of the text! :) ]] 08:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
::How about adding this sentence {{re|Alyo}}? "It is a widespread view among scholars that the humanistic feutures of ancient Greek thought are the roots of humanism two thousand years later." What do you think? ]] 20:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
:::So the only thing here is that if you're going to have the word "widespread", you need to have a source that actually says "this is a widespread view". It's not enough to just have multiple scholarly sources that draw that conclusion, because in theory all the other sources could say something different. However, you could also say "it's a repeated view" or "many scholars hold the view" or something similar, and then just cite the various authors you have? ] ''(]·])'' 21:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::::TBH, initially I thought the statement is strong enough to be added as a WP VOICE per ] I have never met/read anyone who claims otherwise. It is not a debatable issue. I didn't used a WP VOICE coz, it is still a view, not a fact. (But someone could argue: A shared opinion by many scientists, should be treated as a fact) In any case, I am not opposing your suggestion, I have changed the word "widespread" to "repeated" which I think is quite ok, I am happy with it. ]] 08:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::Do you mean the part about "Avoid stating facts as opinions"? I understand how you can read that, but you need to look at the overall message of that section and compare how little of that policy talks about stating facts without attribution (three sentences) versus the general need to be very careful with any statement and make sure it's correctly attributed (everything else). Based on my experience, while that sentence ''may'' be fine for general editing, I think you're overestimating how much credit you'll get with YESPOV at peer review processes where everything's held to a higher standard, especially for this sort of general knowledge article. You should assume that if a statement requires any level of expertise to "know", then it's not as obvious as YESPOV is meant for. I'm a professional with multiple degrees--if I don't know it, then I don't think it rises to the sort of "sky is blue" level. On the other hand, if it's so truly that obvious to people in that profession, then hopefully it's at least easy to verify in some way? But yes I think "repeated" or even "common" is perfectly fine based on this sourcing. ] ''(]·])'' 16:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Alyo}} My take is that if there is a consensus among all experts of a field, then I take a YESPOV approach while editing WP. If there is consensus minus one expert, then it is not YESPOV. Anyway, your suggestion was a nice solution, thanks again. ]] 06:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

===Renaissance===
* {{tqq|One of the first centers of the Greek literature revival was Padua, where Lovato Lovati and others studied ancient texts and wrote new literary works. Other centers were Verona, Naples, and Avignon.}} -- Can you expand these sentences in a way that makes the connection to humanism more clear? Why is it important to mention these places?
::Hmmm, it seems you are right, it seems a triviality and since section is already larger than others, I removed it. . ]] 17:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
* {{tqq|who rediscovered, translated and popularized ancient texts}} -- which one did that, just Bruni?
::Yes, fixed
* {{tqq|Religion was not untouched with the increased interest of humanistic paideia, Pope Nicholas V initiated the translation of Hebrew and Greek biblical and other texts to Latin.}} -- can you clarify this sentence? Is the argument that the translation of biblical texts was a humanist move? If so, how?
::The argument is that translation of biblical and other religious texts was a move influenced by humanism. Source says:<blockquote>...To give another set of examples from a different cultural sector, Humanism helped to transform the religious situation in the hundred years before the Reformation. Pope Nicholas V (1447–1455) is a key figure here. He had the plan to transfer into Latin the whole Greek classical and patristic heritage. His favorite humanist, Giannozzo Manetti (1396–1459) made a new translation of the New Testament from the Greek and the Psalms from the Hebrew. George of Trebizond translated Eusebius of Caesarea, John Chrysostomus, and Cyril of Alexandria. Before and after Nicholas’ pontificate, other humanists translated Athanasius of Alexandria, Basil the Great, Gregory Nazianzenus, Gregory of Nyssa, and Origen. These translations started to be printed in the later fifteenth century...</blockquote>
::I will see how I can make it more clear, or may I will just add the quote at footnotes. ]] 06:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
:::This is really interesting. I've adjusted that sentence --let me know if it conveys what you want to convey. ] ''(]·])'' 21:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::::That s definitely an improvement, thanks! ]] 07:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
* Once you clarify the sentence {{tqq|Humanists succeeded in setting the principles of education}}, that will also help me to better phrase the ideas in the sentence {{tqq|Parallel with advances in education, humanists in renaissance made progress in other fields, as in philosophy, mathematics and religion.}} ] ''(]·])'' 18:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
*:Maybe needs rewording. Here is the text of the source: <blockquote>Humanism immensely enriched, if not transformed, disciplines outside the studia humanitatis, as humanists themselves combined different expertise or, alternatively, non-humanists made use of what they received from humanists.</blockquote> And it goes on, explaining advances in maths, philosophy and religion, by various humanists. ]] 19:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
*::how does it look? ]] 20:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


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Contemporary humanist organizations work under the umbrella of Humanist International.

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Contemporary humanist organizations work under the umbrella of Humanists International. David-NL-1978 (talk) 16:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I had the same question when reading that section. @Cinadon36, which did you mean to say? Alyo (chat·edits) 16:28, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @David-NL-1978:, you are right, thanks for noting. Fixed. . Cinadon36 18:50, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Removal of {{Essay-like|date=October 2022}}

I am thinking of removing it. Some issues raised have been resolved as far as I can tell. @Alyo: would you be ok with that? Cinadon36 08:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Removed a sentence

I removed a sentence I couldnt verify

High-profile members of academia and public figures {{like whom|reason=Which persons are these?|date=January 2023}}have published work in ''The Humanist'', and joined and lead the AHA.{{cn|date=January 2023}}

I will see if I can spot it somewhere else, but I am not too optimistic about it. And it isn't that significant.Cinadon36 09:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

personal essay tag

Can someone please locate the areas at the article that text resembles a personal essay, so I can fix them in due time? Thanks. notifying @Alyo:. Cinadon36 17:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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Under the Morality heading, second paragraph, second to last sentence should read, "Shook..." rather than "Spook..." Thing69 (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Next time, WP:FIXIT. Zefr (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Article issues and classification

Article fails B-class criteria #1 and #4. Reassess article.
  • A February 2023 inline "citation needed" tag,
  • A January 2023 inline "ambiguous" tag.
  • Two inline 2023 "clarification needed" tags.
  • An October 2022 article "essay-like" tag and January 2023 "essay-like" section tag is a style issue.
  • A January 2023 "Dates and numbers#Chronological items" tag. -- Otr500 (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
    @Otr500 most issues have been resolved. Can you help me with the dates and numbers tag? You mean the "Use dmy dates" I thought that was just an advice. Cinadon36 09:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
I will take a look later today/ -- Otr500 (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
A tag at the top of the article is so all the date formats will be consistent. A "Dates and numbers#Chronological items" would be a timeline. It makes an article hard to read if the timeline (series of events) is not in some order. I didn't look at it but will. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

A couple more comments

The article has improved dramatically from when I first saw it, and I think the essay tag can come off with the resolution of these two issues:

  • One of the main issues that I still have is the use of quotes and excerpts to make a point that may or not be made by other reliable sources. For example, in the Enlightenment section, we have this: Previous appeals to "men" now shifted toward "man"; this is evident in political documents like The Social Contract (1762) of Rousseau, in which he says "Man is born free, but is everywhere in chains". Is there a source that says that Rousseau's comments reflect a development in humanism, or are we just saying that? If the former, it needs a source. If the latter, it needs to be replaced by a different example that is sourced. Same for the Brothers Karamazov quote in Themes: Morality and the Confucius quotes later (and was also true for the Camus quote).
  • The Geographies of humanism section is a little confusing, in that the individual sections don't seem to thematically hold together. Some are about an entire continental history, others about a single religion or religious figure, and then the Americas section just includes a very broad, sweeping statement about humanism in a single document (the US Constitution) with an inference made about the rest of US history. It feels...a little thrown together? I'm not sure that this section is really needed, as a lot of this could be merged into the history section (the Europe stuff already is) and the rest cut.

Let me know what you think. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I am glad @Alyo: you feel the article has improved. I share the same view.Cinadon36 18:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  • Quotes on the enlightenment section. Source (Davies, p 25), notices a shift during that era, he says the abstract notion of humanity was formed. He uses Rousseau's quote (and others) as example. He dedicates a section at his book on this shift. I think if we try, we could tell the same story without the quotation. Give me a couple of days and I will think of something. If you have something to suggest, please go ahead. Cinadon36 18:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
    Well to be clear, if the source uses that quote, then it's fine. We can just say "Davies points to Rousseau..." etc etc. Alyo (chat·edits) 13:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
    Ok, so I have made this edit . Cinadon36 11:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
    I do not have time for the rest, I will have a look on Monday. Cinadon36 11:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
    No rush :) Alyo (chat·edits) 14:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Quoting Fyodor Dostoevsky (The Karamazov Brothers). This is a much quoted argument. Most books discussing humanism and morality of humanism, discuss this argument. The relation to humanistic morality is obvious. Richand Norman uses the quatation, as cited, but I am not sure that it would be an improvement if we write "Scholar Richard Norman points..." since many authors also pointed to the exact same issue. Cinadon36 16:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Quotes from Camus and Confucius. Yes, we could trim these quotes. The problem with Confucius, is that we will be trimming text from East Asia section which maybe is under-covered. I am not sure...I will think of something. Cinadon36 16:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
    Regarding Camus, I removed the last sentence of the paragraph. It seem not necessary or redundant or "not necessary". Cinadon36 08:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
    Regarding Confucius, I also removed a sentence I feel the relevance to humanism is apparent with the rest of the text. I remember the source relies heavily on quotes from Analects. Anyway, tell me what you think, before we move forward. Cinadon36 09:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I've re-added the Camus line as I actually think it's still helpful? Unless you still want to remove that, I was talking more about the previous version of the paragraph. I think it looks good now. Re: Dostoevsky, can you just add a citation to Norman to the end of the sentence with the quotation, just so that it's clear that Norman also uses that specific quotation? You don't have to add "As scholar Richard Norman points out..." Alyo (chat·edits) 15:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Geographies of humanism

I see the problem you @Alyo: are pointing to. I followed the paradigm of Oxford Handbook of Humanism (2019) where, as you can see if you follow the external link, the first section is dedicated to "Geographies of Humanism". There are 5 chapters. I thought something had to be told. I do not know what is the best solution now. Maybe removing the whole chapter? What would you suggest? Cinadon36 08:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a bit odd. I think we would need to have a clear plan for that section, and right now it seems like it's just us trying to copy a textbook. Perhaps we could aim, in the future, to have some content about the different expressions of humanism in different parts of the world? Or the different religious traditions that have simultaneously developed humanistic ideals? Maybe remove it for now, but in the future if you wanted to expand the article that might be a good place to start. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Here is the text I removed. I am not sure how to fix the issue. We have to mention ancient China and other parts of the world. But history of humanism in China is not part of the history of the contemporary humanist movement. I shouldnt agree moving the text into the section of history of humanism. Cinadon36 10:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Geographies of humanism

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Africa

In Africa, contemporary humanism has been shaped by the continent's colonial history, and the introduction of Christianity and Islam. African philosophers focused on inter-dependency among humans, and between humans and nature. Pre-colonial oral traditions reflecting African views on humanity and human good were eliminated by the entrance of European powers. Christianity and Islam advanced, and many intra-African atrocities took place. Africans never abandoned the ideas of human value and the mutual interdependence of humans, which are core features of African humanism. This idea was advanced by philosophers such as Kwasi Wiredu and Jean-Godefroy Bidima. Wiredu emphasized the need of human interaction for humans to become what they are, and projected his thought to the need for democracy. Bidima added, the interaction should be enduringly, not an one time event. According to socialist philosopher Léopold Sédar Senghor, Africans were naturally leaning towards humanism and socialism, not because of its scientific or epistemological basis, but because of their intuition.

Middle East

It is a widely held view among scholars that due to the dominance of Islam, humanistic values found a hostile environment in the Middle East and were unable to flourish there. According to scholar Khurram Hussain, however, some traits of the early Islamic world resemble humanism. He notes Islam unified a diverse population and provided political, epistemological, and social solutions to the then-fragmented Arab world. Also according to Hussain, there is a form of humanism within the Islamic anthropology. To support his argument, he notes examples such as the lack of "original sin", indicating in Islamic theology the human is a free, moral agent. He also said Islamic scholars such as Ibn al-‛Arabī and al-Jīlī placed humans at the center of the universe, a place occupied by God in Christian traditions. Khurram Hussain also notes the Arab Spring of 2011 revived certain humanistic values—including democracy, freedom, and fairness—in the Middle East, and argues they are not incompatible with Islam.

East Asia

In East Asia, Confucianism's core ideas are humanistic. The philosophy of Confucius (551–479 BCE), which became the basis of the state ideology of successive Chinese dynasties and nearby polities in East Asia, has several humanistic traits, placing a high value on human life, and discounting mysticism and superstition—including speculations on ghosts and an afterlife. Confucianism is considered a religious form of humanism because supernatural phenomena such as Heaven (天; Tian)—which supposedly guides the world—have a place in it. According to sinologist Theodore de Bary, in the Analects, humanist ideals include respectfulness, reasonableness, kindness, and enthusiasm for learning. A fundamental teaching of Confucius is a person can become a junzi (someone who is noble, just, or kind) through education. After Confucius' death, his disciple Mencius (371–289 BCE) centered his philosophies on secular, humanistic concerns like the nature of good governance and the role of education rather than on ideas founded on the state or folk religions. Societies in China, Japan, and Korea were shaped by the prevalence of humanistic Confucianism.

Early Taoism also had some humanistic tenets. Taoism initially developed as a naturalistic philosophy, aiming for the harmony of self, society, and the universe. Naturalness is achieved by wu wei (non‐action); philosopher Michael LaFargue said the philosophy's fundamental book, the Tao Te Ching, is based on humanistic thought. Buddhism has also been noted to include elements of humanistic thought because Buddhism aims to the salvage humans from the sorrows of life, after abandoning egoistic tendencies, and coming in peace with society and universe.

America

The United States Constitution was shaped by humanistic ideas originating from the Enlightenment but did not go far enough to tackle gender-and-race-inequality issues. According to Carol Wayne White, Black communities experiencing injustice moved toward atheism in the 20th century. Later, many Black organizations loosely connected within the Black Lives Matter movement rejected theism or embraced a humanistic agenda. Black literature reveals the quest for freedom and justice in a community often subordinated to white dominance.

Humanism in Latin America is hard to detect, mainly because of the dominance of Catholicism and Protestantism. European positivism had influenced the thought of scholars and political leaders in Latin America during the 19th century but its influences wavered in the next century. Since 2017, the number of Latin America's humanist organizations registered in the International Humanist Association has increased.

Europe

In Europe, various currents of 19th century thought, such as freethinkers, ethicists, atheists and rationalists have merged to form the contemporary humanist movement. Various national organizations founded the European Humanist Federation (EHF) in 1991, affirming their support for secularism. All humanistic organizations promote a naturalistic worldview, scientific approach, individualism, and solidarity but they vary in terms of their practice. One view is that they should focus on meeting the needs of non-religious peoples and their members; the other is pursuing activism to bring about social change. These two main patterns in European humanism that coexist within humanist organizations often collude with each other.

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Typo

In the "Renaissance" section, there is the sentence: "Petrarch'ims enthusiasm for ancient texts led him to discover manuscripts such as ..." "Petrarch'ims" is likely a typo, but I'm not going to create an account just to fix it. Somebody fix it, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.2.184 (talk) 20:33 3 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank-you. 98.216.2.184 (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Alan Haworth

Link to Haworth is pointing to the Hockey player not the philosopher. Paul Fabrizio (talk) 11:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Done, thank you. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

A few issues/suggestions

I don't think I have sufficient time or knowledge of Misplaced Pages to serve as GA reviewer, but I saw the nomination and gave the article a read-through. Mostly it looks very good. Here, however, are a few points for possible improvements:

  1. The History section seems quite admirably to cover a lot of ground in a relatively small amount of space. But I was surprised to see Erasmus get only one sentence. The article Wikilinks out, but isn't there something more to say in the main article about the "Prince of the Humanists"? He is usually the first figure I think of when I see a reference to humanism.
  2. Is there some non-obnoxious way to more often remind the reader that the humanism under discussion for most of the article is that of the 20th century on? (Or else change the title of the article, which I do not imagine editors want to do.)
  3. The section on the meaning of life implies Nietzsche is a humanist, but then he is discussed as an antihumanist (which I think is correct). This apparent contradiction should be addressed.
  4. The discussion of the Euthyphro does not make sense to me. The conclusion that "relativism is invited if God creates goodness" seems exactly the opposite of what would follow. I'm sure the dialogue is relevant to humanistic concerns, but the discussion here is not clear.
  5. The Antihumanism section could be much stronger without being much longer. My own sympathies are with humanism, but it would be worth clarifying that plenty of people reject humanism on admirably moral grounds. Just off-hand, I could direct editors to Michael E. Zimmerman's contribution to the Camb. Comp. to Heidegger, in which he links H.'s antihumanism to deep ecology. The argument might be lousy, but the intention is admirable. There are also other, less radical arguments for rejecting humanism in view of, for instance, findings about animal sentience.
  6. This might be overly specific to my own interests, but I would have liked even just a few more sentences explaining the way that Kant "provided the modern philosophical basis of the humanist narrative." Kant explicitly refuses to ground rationality, autonomy, etc. in human nature. It's not hard to see the appeal many of his ideas would have to humanists, but he himself would have rejected such an appropriation. So I'm just curious about how that played out.

Best wishes with the GA nomination —

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 21:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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