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== Spanish and Navajo in the lead == |
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Spanish is spoken by over a quarter of the population of New Mexico, at 28.45%. And Navajo is spoken by 65,493 people, at 3.50%, these languages are of extreme importance in the state. Many legal documents are created in English, and in Spanish and Navajo too. ] (]) 16:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:Information about both these languages is included in the article. I removed them from the first sentence per ] and ] (which calls for languages in the first sentence to be "closely associated" with the article). A language spoken by 28 percent of the population does not seem a close association. ] (]) 16:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: Your information in one of your edits that says that 28.45% of our New Mexico population is a bit skewed out of context ] (]). Approximately 29% of the population over the age of 5 years speaks Spanish solely as their primary language AT HOME. Many, many more in our state speak Spanish conversationally in and out side of the home. Perhaps you wonder why when you vote here in New Mexico why our ballots are so long, because they could be shorter if the Spanish version was left off. We cannot do that to accommodate you, though, ] (]). New Mexico’s election laws are peppered with Spanish-language requirements. Proposed constitutional changes must be printed on the ballot in Spanish and English, for example, as must the samples of the text of each amendment that the secretary of state distributes to county clerks. Sample ballots, official ballots, primary election proclamations, information about registration and voting, voter registration certificates – all must be printed in both Spanish and English. You may think of Spanish as the only language spoken by an individual when we see, say, and show that a person speaks Spanish in New Mexico, but that concept of monolingualism in our state is incorrect. Bilingualism is the character of our state. Those who are outsiders are those who do not learn to communicate in both English and Spanish to some extent in order to get along in our state no matter what one's race or country of origin is. Inserting the Spanish name of the state a well as the associated IPA symbol is perfectly acceptable in this article. ] (]) 17:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:: A quarter of the population is significant, and this region was named Nuevo México in the 1500s, which is significant as well. And as for Navajo, 56.3% speak the language in McKinley County and another 34.8% speak it in San Juan County. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/11/18/the-languages-we-speak-at-home-mapped-by-county/ ] (]) 17:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::The example at ] is "a location in a non-English-speaking country". ] (]) 18:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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::::The entire first paragraph of ] needs to be considered, rather than taking the example out of context. The first paragraph says: "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local language equivalent:Chernivtsi Oblast (Ukrainian: Чернівецька область, Chernivets’ka oblast’) is an oblast (province) in western Ukraine, bordering on Romania and Moldova." So, since the subject of the article (New Mexico) is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence." ] does not refer only to "a location in a non-English-speaking country" So, it is appropriate to include the special contribution in the article about New Mexico. ] (]) 18:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:::New Mexico clearly meets the definition of "a subject closely associated with a non-English language." Laws are promulgated in Spanish, government business is often conducted in Spanish, and it is a majority language of several cities in the state, including Las Vegas and Las Cruces (the second-largest city in the state). See ] and ]. ] (]) 04:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:Despite the equivocation of our section on the matter, Spanish is an official language in New Mexico (laws and government forms are always printed in Spanish as well as English; that's pretty much the definition of "official language"). Dineh (Navajo) does not have this status (though {{em|some}} government materials are produced in Dineh, though some are also produced in Chinese and German and Vietnamese and Russian, too, especially for the health & human services department, the division of motor vehicles, etc.). Dineh is only one of at least half-a-dozen Native American languages used in the state. I would keep the Spanish name in the lead, both for this reason and because it's historically important in the pre-statehood period. I would not add the Native American renditions, because they'll stack up and get messy, but are of little interest to most readers, and are not intimately bound up with the region's overall history. We can cover them in a section in the body. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 20:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC) |
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== Reason for military bases == |
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== Reason for military bases == |
In other words, NM has lots of military because of its large area and its economic climate. The first one makes sense (you can't have lots of military bases in a small place), but I don't understand the second. When the federal government wants a new military base, does it pay attention to the local economy? I would guess that they would care about strategic location (witness lots of Cold War military installations in Alaska) and maybe local real estate prices (so it's cheaper to buy a massive area of land), but I don't understand how the state's economy would be responsible for the large military presence. I couldn't find anything in the rest of the article talking about the military presence being partly due to the economic climate. If any climate is relevant, it's probably the state's arid literal climate, which means that much of the state isn't covered with farms and probably made it a lot less expensive for the federal government to buy massive areas of land. Could this be changed to refer to the effect the military has on the existing economic climate? 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:4807:1190:E7F7:8F2F (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
