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Joseph Smith article - upcoming nomination at FAC

Hi Buidhe! I am here to let you (as well as the other FAC coordinators on their talk pages) know that User:P-Makoto and I intend to nominate the Joseph Smith article for Featured Article status within the next few weeks. After spending some time lurking at WP:FA and WP:FAC though, I notice that this article is lengthier and more complex than most of the articles that are nominated. I think the length is justified: Smith was and remains a very complex and controversial figure. And of course, just being complex and controversial with a long article doesn't necessarily disqualify a topic from FA status (for example, see Jesus).

That said, I'm wondering if you have any specific thoughts, questions, or comments before we jump into things? I think the length and complexity of the material has turned off some reviewers from doing a deep dive into it in the past. For example, a 2013 PR request failed to attract a single reviewer or even a comment. Is there anything you recommend to offset this a little bit?

Thanks in advance! Trevdna (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Holocaust

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GOCE copy edit at The Holocaust

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• As hard as parts of it were to read, what an absolute masterpiece you have worked on, Buidhe. A topic like this has got to be one of the most technically difficult areas to bring up to a professional standard, but you did it. A privilege to read, truly. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Armenian genocide and the Holocaust

With respect to your revert there, what was it you were trying to do exactly? I can't tell from your edit summary and suspect a misclick Elinruby (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Elinruby not a misclick. See the "debating genocide" chapter. Why have you added a failed verification tag when on the cited page it literally says "There can be no doubt, from the evidence I have presented in the previous chapters, that the Nazis knew of and were (at least in part) inspired by the Armenian Genocide." (t · c) buidhe 14:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring this question. The source is on the same topic alright but the source does not support your text when read as a whole. There is a very big however that follows the quoted statement. It also says nothing about the 1920, the German press, or any decisions that undefined nationalists might have made. At least not on p. 333. In addition, he does not "conclude" this, as the sentence you quote is not his conclusion. It is X in an argument that seems to go "while X, and also Y, the parallels are unmistakable." Maybe he goes into the press and so on earlier in the book; that would be just fine if cited to that page. Also FYI I removed the 4-5 citations to Jewish Virual Library per thisRfC Elinruby (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Elinruby The content about the great genocide debate is covered elsewhere in Ihrig's book, a different page number should be cited for it. As for the conclusion about the Nazis being inspired by the Armenian genocide, if you don't believe it is supported by the cited source I suggest posting on WP:NORN to see if this view has any merit. What JVL cites? (t · c) buidhe 03:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

yes, the correct page number needs to be cited. Hadn't thought of NORN. Re JVL, if that's confusing. let me double-check that. I edited several aricles about the Holocaust in Armenia last night. My main point however about that was just to inform you -- I also missed the RfC at the time, and did not know this until it was pointed out to me. Elinruby (talk) 03:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Aha, that was at History of the Jews in Armenia. I see you have never edited it; perhaps you would like to, if you are interested in the topic, as there are also cites there to genealogy projects and Armenian weeklies that look questionable. I left those for the moment so as not to tag bomb it too harshly. In any event, please feel free to remove the failed verification tag on Armenian genocide and the Holocaust once it has been addressed. Thanks Elinruby (talk) 03:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

???? There was no Holocaust in Armenia. It was never occupied by any of the Axis powers. (t · c) buidhe 05:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Um? I am unsure what you are saying. I am looking at articles on the period and Armenia has come up in a couple of places. Let me try this again.

1. The JVL references were in another article, in which you may be interested. Or not, your call.
2. You should not have deleted the cn tag on the unsourced statement, so I have replaced it.
3. The citation for the next sentence, to which you referred me, does not substantiate the sentence it follows, or the one before it on which I placed the cn tag.
4. The tags can be removed when the problems are corrected.

Over and out. Elinruby (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

AFDs

When an article is up for an AfD you cannot remove the tag. You MUST PARTICIPATE in the discussion. It has not been created yet but it will be as it is posted where it will be. Reverting it again can be determined to be an edit war. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:D41E:2828:7AA7:A58D (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò for deletion

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Your revert of my attempt to discuss

I am taking it to mean that you do not stand by your revert of my tagging and will be replacing the citation needed tag. The sentence that follows the one in question is indeed cited, but that source fails verification. If you do not want to do as my tagging suggests, then fine, but the referencing in that article mostly fails RS and the attention of other editors needs to be drawn to the article. Please note that both the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide fall under the contentious topic guidelines. Thank you. Elinruby (talk) 00:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Based on your comments above I have little faith in your ability to edit articles to accurately reflect what the sources say. The sources cited in that article are fine, although I don't really care about it anymore. You don't seem to even be able to correctly leave a contentious topics notice. (t · c) buidhe 01:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

i can but why would I? You have marked yourself as aware. As for your claim that I am not competent to judge RS, may I ask what you base this on specifically? Please. If there is something I am not seeing here, please explain it to me. Elinruby (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of The Holocaust

The article The Holocaust you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Holocaust for comments about the article, and Talk:The Holocaust/GA2 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Borsoka -- Borsoka (talk) 03:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Million Award for The Holocaust

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	For your contributions to bring The Holocaust (estimated annual readership: 2,810,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Misplaced Pages's readers! Reidgreg (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How is this not a vital article? Much thanks for your work on this! – Reidgreg (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, I see the vital article banner is in with the WikiProjects. Thanks again. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Please relist

Can you please revert your close and relist at Talk:Federal government of the United States#Requested move 19 May 2023? You closed a few hours after I made my plea. I’d like to see some discussion on the point I made. Thanks. В²C ☎ 07:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Japanese nationalist editor - Please help

I was RC patrolling and found a bunch of pretty explicit Japanese Nationalist and Yamato Supremacist content on Soh Ohba and tried to remove it but an IP just put it back up. Its not strict vandalism so I can't just take it back down without violating 3rr. I am still relatively new to wikipedia and am not very well versed in the nuances of WP:DUE, WP:NPOV, etc and honestly I don't have the emotional energy to deal with this properly, but just ignoring it would damage the integrity of the project. I am reaching out to you because of your presence on the Nazi Affiliation task force, and as its subject area is tangential to these issues I am hoping that you are more knowledgeable and better equipped (and willing) to deal with this. — FenrisAureus ▼ (she/they) (talk) 04:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

FenrisAureus I know little about Japan but it looks like the additions can easily be reverted as unsourced BLP. You can warn the IP and then report them at WP:EWN or alternatively request page protection at WP:RPP which is a pretty reliable way to get admin attention. (t · c) buidhe 04:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

thanks! — FenrisAureus ▼ (she/they) (talk) 04:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The Holocaust in Poland

Are you going to fix the numerous reference errors you have introduced into The Holocaust in Poland? DuncanHill (talk) 22:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

There was a script I was trying to use to fix it but sadly it's not working at the moment. (t · c) buidhe 23:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Overcat?

At History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II - Category: War crimes of the Wehrmacht. Should it be removed? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Khirurg

Hello! Thank you for your response on the ANI. I think you need to take a look in the article of Albania. Even thought you agreed with me about the disputed content, the user is again reverting and denying any decision made by you. I think a sanction would not be inappropriate. Of course, that is up to you. AlexBachmann (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Just for the record: Some days ago I've reported the user Khirurg on the ANI. (So you know what I'm talking about) AlexBachmann (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Holocaust

On 5 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Holocaust, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that around 1,500 anti-Jewish laws were enacted by Nazi Germany in the years leading up to the Holocaust (victims pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Holocaust. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Holocaust), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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June songs

my story today

Thank you for that excellent improvement of the article! It's also featured on Portal:Germany--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Image licensing on the Commons

Hi there, dropping by because another editor recently drew my attention to this discussion, specifically the portion about image licensing. I wanted to clarify that PD-US is not a requirement for all images on the Commons; rather it’s one of many legitimate licenses for the Commons. It means that an image has no US copyright restrictions whatsoever. But some restrictions are compatible with use on the Commons and thus other WMF sites, like several Creative Commons licenses. Many Flickr images can be imported for instance despite not being in the public domain, because the person who retains copyright has licensed them for CC reuse. In general problems only arise if the license cited is not accurate to the image; my understanding is that if the Commons offers a license to apply to an image, that’s because the Commons has deemed that license sufficient basis for hosting such images. Hope that’s helpful. CCing The History Wizard of Cambridge who may wish to know. Cheers, Innisfree987 (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Cheers @Innisfree987, that is very good to know. When @Buidhetold me that all images needed to be PD-US, I was terrified because I very often use the PD-UK-Unknown tag. Because my specialist area is the British Empire in the 20th century, I use this tag quite often. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The History Wizard of Cambridge I apologize for what I wrote, which was misleading. CC licensed images are OK (if there is compatible licensing) because they have been freely licensed by the copyright holder. Images that are PD-UK but not PD-US (or freely licensed by the copyright holder) are not okay, certainly not in enwiki, because our servers are located in the US and we have to comply with US copyright law. Admittedly there are some commons users who believe that if an image is PD in one country but not the US it should be allowed on commons unless there is a takedown request, but that does not mean such images are ok to use on enwiki. Similarly, there are a lot of outright copyvios on commons and you may not use those either. (t · c) buidhe 18:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Buidhe you're the first editor in my three years of editing wikipedia to tell me I can't use PD-UK-Unknown. Why does the tag even exist on wiki if I can't use it? You must be mistaken, unless you can show me otherwise. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The History Wizard of Cambridge PD-UK-unknown is an acceptable tag, but not by itself; because images must also be PD in the US to be acceptable to use on Misplaced Pages. Examples of relevant tags would be

This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1929. Public domain Public domain in the United States false false

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This image is in the public domain in the United States because it was first published outside the United States (and not published in the U.S. within 30 days) and it was first published before 1978 without complying with U.S. copyright formalities or after 1978 without copyright notice and it was in the public domain in its home country on the URAA date (January 1, 1996 for most countries). PD-US Public domain in the United States //en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Buidhe

This file is believed to be out of copyright in its home country, as well as the US. If this is confirmed when checked, it should be transferred to Wikimedia Commons, unless the file is tagged {{Keep Local}} ,

etc. This is not my opinion, it is stated clearly in WP:Copyrights ("The Wikimedia Foundation is based in the United States and accordingly governed by United States copyright law.") and other policy and guideline pages. (t · c) buidhe 18:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Holocaust in Poland

I wanted to raise one point, as I see that you are involved in the re-write of the Holocaust in Poland article. I think that in the Background section it should be mentioned that for a time Poland was a shelter to Jews who were being persecuted and expelled from other parts of Europe. I raise this issue not to sugar-coat the history of Jews in Poland, but this was a legitimate reason why so many Jews ended up in Poland by the end of the middle-ages, eventually leading to the later events of the 20th century. However, I don't want to jump in and start re-writing the section and instead allow others to clean up the text first, but I do think this fact explains why such an exodus from western Europe to Poland happened in the first place, and there are numerous sources which cover this topic. E-960 (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

E-960 While I'm not necessarily opposed to including such content, one must also consider balance; most of the sources specifically about the Holocaust in Poland that cover background information focus on the interwar period, so that should receive more wp:weight. Also, the cited YIVO source also suggests also that these migrations had multiple causes including economic reasons. (t · c) buidhe 18:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moral example

Hello, Buidhe,

I don't think that this AFD discussion was a good candidate for a NAC closure. Opinion was divided and it could have been closed as "No consensus". I realize that you are an experienced editor but in the future, try to pick AFD discussions to close that don't seem like they might be contested, where it is obvious what the closure should be. This seems like a close call to me. Thank you. Liz 17:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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