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A barnstar for you!

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	A big thank you for going through the lists of Fellows of the British Academy and correcting/adding links! Gaia Octavia Agrippa 01:55, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of James Comyn

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Hi! I've done a full review now and have some other issues that need to be addressed. Could you respond there as soon as you're able to? Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 13:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for James Comyn

On 27 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James Comyn, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a woman once threw a dead cat at James Comyn while he was cross-examining her in court? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James Comyn. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, James Comyn), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Ways to improve Vincent Quénet

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Thanks for creating Vincent Quénet! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Edward FitzRoy

Hi, Atchom. Would you please notice the difference between the Royal Military College, Sandhurst, and the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst? Regards, Moonraker (talk) 02:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for removing junk (namely, those non-existent post-nominals) from the infoboxes of a plethora of articles. Great work! Asqueladd (talk) 00:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Post nominals

Hi Atchom,

I have seen that you have removed a great deal of post nominal orders in infoboxes across Spanish-related individuals' articles. May I ask under what criteria have you done so?

--Cantabrucu (talk) 15:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Cantabrucu. Of course you may. I removed these post-nominals because none of them exist. The habit of putting letters behind one's name to indicate state honours is almost entirely peculiar to English-speaking countries influenced by the British tradition. None of the Spanish orders of knighthood give an entitlement to post-nominal letters (unlike the case in the UK, where there is secondary legislation to that effect) and there is absolutely no evidence of a Spanish custom of doing so. In fact, the Spanish Misplaced Pages article on post-nominals specifically refers to it as a British custom.

I realise from your message to another contributor that you disagree, and that's fine. However, unless you're going to provide evidence that people go about referring to, say Miguel Arias Cañete, as Miguel Arias Cañete, OCIII, OCM, EUC, I'm going to keep removing them (the fact that two of these putative "Spanish" post-nominals are actually abbreviations of the English name of the award/post instead of the Spanish one is rather telling.)

Finally, no, I'm not "a biased British contributor", nor indeed am I British, and I would appreciate it if you skipped the personal attacks. Hope this answers your query. Atchom (talk) 16:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry Atchom. I may have overeacted a bit.

Thank you for your feedback, --Cantabrucu (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you for your suggestion, which will be considered with the seriousness it deserves. Atchom (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Who's Who UK and microstubs

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Thank you for pointing me toward this very recent RSP, which was barely advertised. As an experienced editor, I am sure you will keep WP:CONRED in mind before making any untoward AfD nominations. Atchom (talk) 01:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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See WP:DRAFTOBJECT to object. Pilaz (talk) 05:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

the official rule is very simple: "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace, and if it is not notable, list it at AfD."

There is a more practical version, which is much ore likely to keep the article: add one more good ref, and move it back. No one is likely to take it to AfD. DGG ( talk ) 05:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@DGG:, just assuming you're talking about Charles Henry Godden that I draftified and that you put reviewed. Following the workflow of AFC, how does the article meet the GNG with two sources, one of which is a primary source and the other of unknown reliability? Pilaz (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

the official rule is that everything should be accepted which more likely than not to survive an AfD. This has generally been interpreted not at 51%, but at 67%; many reviewers, including myself, interpret it as being reasonably sure to pass AfD, which means something like 80%. (not that the erratic nature of afd really makes it able to be to quantitated more than very approximately).

the reviewing instructions are guide to learn how to use judgment--the only actual test is afd. I follow policy according to consensus, and guidelines as I think a reasonable interpretation --but think it responsible to advise anyone who asks to follow them strictly. Workflow and similar instructions and usages I take as advice, not as requirements--but I advise others to meet them to avoid being questioned. Thus I know that an article on anyone who has a RS for CBE is at least 80% sure of passing AfD, based on my experience of the only thing that decisions rest on here, common practice at AfD. (I was involved in several extensive discussion of the significance of these UK orders, where it was decided that that MBE by itself was not sufficient and did not necessarily imply other sources would be found, that OBE, made it probable, but not certain, and that CBE and above always proved to be notable enough, and I cannot recall one having failed afd unless for other reasons that notability. I also know the GNG is merely a subguideline of the Notability guideline, and all guidelines by their nature have exceptions . And Notability is a guideline; attempts to make it policy have failed; the actual policy it is based on is NOT INDISCRIMINATE.

But you will notice that, just as I say I do, I advised the editor here to add sufficient references to meet the conventional statement. DGG ( talk ) 05:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you DGG for the rationale behind your decision, and for being transparent about it. You raise a lot of good points and opened up a few I hadn't considered (given the prominence of the GNG at AfD, one sometimes forgets WP:N is a guideline). An additional question, since I interacted with User:Necrothesp on this specific topic, quite recently, at User:Necrothesp/List of AfD discussions for individuals with a CBE or above: do you happen to remember on which noticeboard these several extensive discussion of the significance of these UK orders took place? Not looking for a specific link, just the general direction on where to look - best to incorporate them in a future discussion, if I open a new one. Cheers, Pilaz (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

We don't actually have a keyword index to these. But I found ] and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Yasmin Bevan (2014)/ DGG ( talk ) 07:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

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With only two sources - one of which is a WP:PRIMARY source, this article is not ready for mainspace because it likely does not meet the general notability guideline. Pilaz (talk) 05:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

If you object to this draftification, please see WP:DRAFTOBJECT. Thank you, Pilaz (talk) 05:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Dear User:Atchom. How does one get to 34,180 edits? Chapeau. Wikipedian WatermillockCommon pointed me to "your" article "Bernard Ribeiro, Baron Ribeiro" as an example in support of bolding titles of nobility (in this case "Baron Ribeiro") at their first use in the main text after the first sentence of the lead (where they usually also appear in bold). WatermillockCommon and myself had a discussion about this practice after he bolded such titles in the article Gustavus Hamilton, 1st Viscount Boyne. I was astonished by his edit because User:Peacemaker67 had requested to unbold similar bolding of titles during the A-class review of the article Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty (see look for MOS:BOLD). We hope that with your extraordinary experience you will be able to shed some light on this issue. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 10:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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