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• I am "young at a longer time" enough to had assembled and used many type of typewriters. Good!

• Looking for neighbour as the same to me means looking for... God!

Have a nice weekend!

EgídioCampos, 2007.02.09, 20:00 UTC.

• Note: The above comment was written by me, despite of his accidental diconnection, then remaining as User IP:200.101.69.132. EgídioCampos

Gary Null

As you may be able to see from the article's talk page, I am trying to keep the peace on the above article and stick to NPOV. I am still waiting for a reply to a request on the BLP noticeboard. I would particularly like opinions about the Barrett issue, from experienced users, especially from admins - are you one? Thanks. Itsmejudith 00:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that, although I'm an Admin, I'm considered pro-Barrett in general by most, so that I would not be considered a good, neutral, commentator. I'm willing to try, but (to mix metaphors) it might be like pouring oil on troubled waters, and lighting it.... — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 04:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

IN RE deletion of mention on "non-notable" daughter of Gary Null. Gary Null may be lone leader in presenting an alternative health paradigm but he is not alone in the world. Larry R. Holmgren 02:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC) I read this on Phyllis Schlafly: "She was married to attorney John Fred Schlafly, Jr., (1909–1993) for forty-four years. They had six children: John, Bruce, Roger, Liza, Andrew, and Anne." No one deleted her familial context. Larry R. Holmgren 02:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. Go ahead and re-add it, or would you like me to. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm trying to find more facts on Gary Null's life. He is reticent to reveal them. Larry R. Holmgren 06:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Ibague

Why do you continue to remove my posts. The monkey Invasion of 1987 was real, so please leave my submission alone. --Ibague Monkey 2 20:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The "Chuck Norris" reference in your edit comment is a dead giveaway. It never happened. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

STOP VANDALIZING IBAGUE!!!! OMG YOU AREZ LAME!!!!oneoneoneoneone1! 128.95.141.33 09:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

School prank

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on School prank. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please read WP:3RR. — Skinmeister 16:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Acknowledged, although reverting to the concensus version is not necessarily an exception to 3RR. If you wish to make a report at WP:AN/3, go ahead. I've reported you. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sad to see that you're still censoring the School pranks article. I don't think you really understand what consensus means. Matt Gies 22:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the AfD result (keep, if only sourced pranks were listed in the article) is what I and others are enforcing. In theory, that would mean that, if the unsourced pranks were in the article, it would qualify for a speedy delete per AfD. I don't want to go there. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Alex Jones

One of the people making edits had his talk page covered in warnings about sock puppetry, nonsense, and vandalism.. I'm trying to help this encylopedia, but I'm conidering going back to contrbuting without an account because of alot of the obvious bad faith exibited by some editors. I mean, I used to fix stuff all the time and nobody reverted it before I had an account. - SeriousCat 23:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

One of the people...which one? I'll keep that in mind. Nonetheless, I don't think all of the editors who are reverting your change to the lead (even excluding myself) were acting in bad faith. Considering the controversial nature of his work, we need a mainstream source calling the films documentaries, or we cannot really say that they are documentaries. I'm only watching this page because of the continued vandalism (yes, I know what I said on your talk page) committed by Bov (and his IP addresses, as he seems unable to log in from work), Lovelight, NuclearUmph, Webucation, et al. If they hadn't been here, your edits to the page wouldn't have been seen by me, but you might have been tricked into a 3RR violation. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I didn't want to 'tell' on anyone directly, I'm new to userspace and I don't know the unwritten laws, but.. Brimba's talk page... makes me suspicius. - SeriousCat 00:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

5th millennium & Liquid-aim-bot

Thanks for informing me about this weird modification. I reverted =)
And my apologies for this english =^.^=

Liquid_2003 - Talk 18:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Article (publishing)

I notice you look out for Article (publishing) on a frequent basis. It was requested that the article be worked on, so I beefed it up. I did not delete anything, but simply added more information. If you have time would you take a look and see if the changes are appropriate? Thank you for any suggestions. Mazeface 21:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Anaheim Hills, Ericsaindon2, 3rr, etc

Thanks for the heads up about a possible block. No one ended up blocking me, although I thought I was following "the letter of the law" in regards to banned editors. It's so frustrating that we have to constantly semi-protect an article that should be completely uncontroversial. Sigh. AniMate 03:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

unhappy campers

Arthur, since you are most familiar with our respective histories in the relevant period, I'll ask for your view on civility here. I have sent an actual preliminary email with some key evidence pieces identified to User:Lethaniol, but not yet a written up analysis. Shot_info has lost his sense of humor when he should be preparing for a bigger, better laugh at me according to him, when no doubt there must a number of QW editors that are going to envy his "catch".--I'clast 10:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Since all of this is rubbing off on me at the RfArb, I request that this matter be dealt with promptly. -- Fyslee (collaborate) 10:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just replied to I'clast email. As the whole Shot info COI issue has been taken to the ArbCom, I have said that I will leave the issue up to them until the ArbCom concludes. I suggest any evidence is presented to the ArbCom in email form (via Fred) as per Durova's suggestion. Cheers Lethaniol 18:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Personally, it appears that I'clast et.al. don't have any evidence and that they do is flimsy at best, hence why I keep asking for it given that supposedly it is available for use by Ilena (and I'clast) in her ArbCom defense. Or rather, they are using this "evidence" to make an entire thread of unsubstantiated claims without actually providing any hint of what they actually have for rebuttal. Hence why I keep telling I'clast to cease his harassment on my talk page, put up or shut up. My take is that I'clast was quite prepared to blow smoke up everybody's rear end and bias the ArbCom with "other people are COIing, so if one is punished, all should be punished" type defense strategy. You can see Ilena locking onto this tactic quite early. Shot info 22:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Your note

It's definitely not allowable to create pages in order to "out" editors. See WP:BLOCK. She can do it offline if she wants to. SlimVirgin 01:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for you help last night, today. Arthur, I could use some quick help on stakes here. I am pretty sure an editor wll be leaving soon and I would prefer that be as amicable as possible. If an editor is indef blocked, does that mean the user page *has* to go away? Also same question for banned?--I'clast 04:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems traditional, but all I can find is WP:BAN#User Pages:

Banned users' user pages may be replaced by a notice of the ban and links to any applicable discussion or decision-making pages. The purpose of this notice is to announce the ban to editors encountering the banned user's edits.

— Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

quotation

Hello Arthur Rubin, you edited the page Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center with the following comment: "(Remove quote from source which is probably a copyright violation)". But I think this constitutes what is called a fair use, so I will put the quotation back on the page. Rougieux 10:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Inclusion of brief attributed quotations of copyrighted text, used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea is acceptable under fair use. Text must be used verbatim: any alterations must be clearly marked. Removed text is marked by an ellipsis (...), insertions or alerations are put in brackets (). A change of emphasis is noted after the quotation with (emphasis added), while if the emphasis was in the original, it may be noted by (emphasis in original). All copyrighted text must be attributed.

You misunderstood me. I'm saying that the link, itself, is likely a copyright violation, and so violates WP:EL. The quote would be fair use if the link was OK. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

You are right, I removed the link to Youtube but I let the quotation in the article. And I wrote an email to "VPRO tv" this morning. They say it's OK to include the quote and proposed to link to the video on their site.Rougieux 11:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Juan Carlos Echeverry

Aside from the original author, I don't typically notify other editors of an AfD nomination in order to avoid the appearance of vote stacking. Editors actively involved in an article typically notice an AfD nomination pretty quickly. Rklawton 14:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't complaining. It was just since we posted within 5 minutes (less if you ignore the edit conflict), I wanted it noted that you didn't contact me. Sorry if it wasn't clear. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Rklawton 15:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Billy Thorpe

I see you undid my undoing of this entry on February 28 deaths. The reason I reverted it in the first place is that it is currently February 27, so I fail to see how this person could be dead. After that, I did a (cursory) google search and checked the man's personal web page, and found nothing. I don't doubt that you have found sources, but figured I'd explain my reasoning. Natalie 23:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the article, he's in TZ UTC+11, and died around 0230 on February 28. That would be 1530 February 27, UTC, which is a good 8 hours ago. Sorry, it could be real. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. Apparently his homepage has not been updated to reflect the death yet. Too many fake death reports has perhaps made me a bit too suspicious. Natalie 00:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately it does appear that he has passed on ]. Shot info 00:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

AN/I on User:Antaeus Feldspar

Hi. Since you are tangentially involved in this, it is appropriate that I let you know about it and invite your comments. Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Attacks_and_disruption_of_noticeboards_by_User:Antaeus_Feldspar Thanks. --Justanother 14:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not. I was sporged, probably by the CoS, for a favorable comment I wrote in news:alt.religion.scientology . (I think I removed over 90% of the the 1000 or so from the Google archives, but there are still a number remaining. With Google's new From: mangling, they are difficult to find....) I don't want to get involved again. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely understand and sympathize. Just wanted to let you know. Take care. --Justanother 18:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Though I would be remiss if I did not invite you to consider if you are holding against me, as a Scientologist, something that the CoS (maybe, who knows, but I will grant it was them), holding against me that the CoS did something stupid in perceived defense against perceived ill-intentioned attacks. That would be like holding Watergate against every Republican. I do not think you would do that, would you? I must say that I see quite a pronounced "blind spot" when it comes to Scientology on the part of otherwise perfectly reasonable netizens. --Justanother 18:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Could someone explain how to revert?

The encyclopedia's help entry on reversion is unclear; it's missing a step or something. Can someone please explain how to get a page to revert? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.69.23.174 (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

(This is my interpretation, not taken from any present Misplaced Pages documents)

1. Click the history tab.
2. Find the version you want to revert to.
3. Click on the date/time to select that version.
4. Click the end this page tab.
5. In the Edit summary field, enter a description, such as "revert vandalism to revision of ]"
6. Click the Save page button.
7. Go back to the history and make sure that no one else has added changes you did not which to revert.

— Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not much different than what's in Help:Revert#How to revert. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

invitation

Arthur, I particularly invite your general discussion on system effects and merit beyond this specific case.--I'clast 23:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you--I'clast 07:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding only being able to submit a site once to dmoz

The page I sourced clearly has listed:

Step Two Do a quick search in the directory at dmoz.org (the home of the Open Directory) to be sure your site isn't already listed. This saves everyone time.

The assumption is that, if the site is found, one would save everyone time by not submitting because you could not be listed more than once. I can modify the language, but the difference is semantics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.40.53.133 (talk) 05:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

BTW - still figuring out how to use this and for some reason I couldn't respond on the actual page. I'm referring to DMOZ - Other alleged abuses have occurred at the executive level, with company management leveraging the link value from ODP to accelerate new privately funded projects. Although site policies suggest that an individual site is submitted in only one category , Topix.net, a news aggregation site operated by ODP founder Rich Skrenta, has more than 10,000 listings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.40.53.133 (talk • contribs).

Well, although the FAQs are down, the actual policy is that a site may only be suggested once* (actually, once in Regional, and once in a topical category, per language the site is in), but that editors may add the site and subsites to additional categories if they find it appropriate. I'll see if I can find a cite. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Found it: http://dmoz.org/help/submit.html#multiple

Respectfully Arthur, I think an error is being made due to semantics. On the same page I cited it also asks that a url be submitted only once. In fact, it asks to not "submit the same URL more than once. Example: http://www.dmoz.org and http://www.dmoz.org/index.html". If you take at the Topix urls submitted throughout the directory (you can see this through my first source link)they are all subfolders of the same url - which seems contradictory to the policy. Again, we can debate the language all day long - but the facts are that the submission policies clearly outline 1 url is to be submitted per site, thousands of Topix urls have been submitted and accepted into DMOZ (it's not just that editors have placed the topix.net url in multiple categories) and the coincidence that this seems to be an exception made for the former founder of the organization and his new private venutre should be noted. I'd be happy to rephrase the statment, but I believe the statements made are supported by documentation on the site.

Actually, the topix sites weren't suggested; they were added by an internal process. Some DMOZ editors (OK, to avoid any possibility of violating DMOZ confidentiality, I) have suggested that that wasn't a good idea, and future automatic processes should be proposed for comment by other editors, rather than being done by fiat. It still may be an indication of improper activity (I cannot say more), but the facts are not quite as you describe them. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Arthur - again - this is becoming a conversation of semantics. Shall I change the original wording to say that DMOZ has added, through internal processes, thousands of links from the directory to privately funded projects of management? I appreciate you driving the discussion here, but would like you to help suggest how the information can be communicated through wikipedia - as it is both accurate and of note. Shall I source this conversation? Thanks in advance.

Well, it's complicated. In general, sites should only be suggested once, to one category (with the caveat noted above, and, in some bizarre cases, sites which have two completely unrelated sections may be suggested to both categories.). What is a site is a complicated matter (for instance, geocities, although it has a single domain, probably should be considered to have each "user" as a separate site.)

As for topix.net (within the last couple years), cnn.com (a long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far, away...), and a few other sites, perhaps it would be best to combine the note with the following sentence about Rolling Stone magazine. Following "...not be repeated", a new sentence such as "Some news sites, including (cnn.com) (associated with the parent company) and (topix.net) (associated with the founder, Rich Skrenta) have had many of their pages added by automated processes, leaving the perception that the site is used to improve the page rank of related projects." (I'll let you develop the correct phrasing. If references are needed, you can reference one of the search results for the count, an appropriate FAQ for "automated processes", and your favorite anti-ODP site for the perception." — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

And you may not source this conversation. Probably only DMOZ FAQs, newsletters, and http://resource-zone FAQs should be considered adequate attribution for "official" ODP policies. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Make sense. I've enjoyed the ongoing dialogue.

Deletion Review

I saw you insightful observation on Jimbo's talk page last night, and wandered by your userpage while responding to it. There, I noticed that you say you are keeping an eye on deletion review. I'm currently the primary closer of deletion reviews, and don't recollect seeing your username there. If you still have interest in this area, could you swing by and opine more often? The number of regular participants is currently probably between 10 and 20, with the number of frequent opiners in the single digits. More regular participants would increase the health of the forum. I've had to relist several discussions the past couple days because they didn't have enough opinions either way to close them. GRBerry 15:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies; I really haven't been keeping up with Deletion Review lately. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Arthur...

Your recent edit to Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (numbers and dates) was not quite a revert, but you did remove the link to the 90125 article. Why did you do that?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 19:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You could read my edit summary, but 90125 is a redirect to 90125 (album). There's also an apparent convention that years with 5 digits or more have a "comma", making 90125 not being a proper year. See, for example, Year 10,000 problem. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

School pranks

Please stop deleting content from school pranks? I went and found a book specifically to deter this sort of thing, yet you just now deleted a large swath of pranks AND reference to that book! Frotz 02:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

If you check the history, I changed the reference to a citation. If you actually check and confirm the other pranks are referenced in that book, you may add a citation to that reference, and I'll leave them alone. Unreference pranks may not be listed in the article. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 13:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. Sorry. I guess I got to the article before you added the citation. I'll add more pranks from the book when I get some time to do so. Frotz 05:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

A pity

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Ombudsman&curid=1547386&diff=113717537&oldid=113527316 Midgley 21:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ombudsman's constant return to autism epidemic, read with his unaltered comments on the process etc look to me like tendentious editing on a medical topic. The article is interfered with, thereby. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Cesar_Tort_and_Ombudsman_vs_others#Ombudsman_placed_on_Probation

Midgley 12:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Gentzen

I've made a brief remark concerning a revert you did in the article on Gentzen. Could you respond on that talk page? Thanks. Francis Davey 12:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

NaN

Take a fucking chill pill. I was searching on Misplaced Pages under "Not a number" to do some research, and noticed that the article did not exist, so I created the article and redirected one of them to the other. I wasn't aware if there's a debate about the naming issue on the talk page, and I don't see why it'd matter so much. Wikipedian06 08:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

NaN debate

I read the talk page. Where the fuck is the debate over the "Not a number" namespace? The article didn't even EXIST until I added it, so there could not possibly have been a debate about it. Wikipedian06 08:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

If you wanted to rename NaN, you could have done so. Now, the history would be broken if your version were left active. (For what it's worth, if you didn't know about NaN, why were the articles identical? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Paul Turner

I have no idea about the referee but the rugby player is described as "Welsh international rugby union player" which would make him notable according to our criteria for sportspeople. Why did you tag him for speedy deletion? - Mgm| 13:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Stevenson-Perez

I notice you have also encountered the edits of User:Stevenson-Perez. I've posted some comments on the user's Talk page. - David Oberst 19:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Information is one of the articles I monitor to make sure that Fisher information doesn't improperly dominate Misplaced Pages. However, Stevenson-Perez is, shall we say, interesting. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Domain kiting

Listen, you may think you're hot stuff here (judging by your claim to being important and etc. on your user page), but you can't get away with threatening to block another editor because he's following Misplaced Pages policy and you happen to disagree with what he's doing... Domain tasting, whether you like it or not, is the more common name, and Misplaced Pages:Naming convention policy makes it clear that articles HAVE to go by their most common name. Furthermore, I did NOT copy and paste that text of the page, the other article was already there, so the version you keep trying to use is a Misplaced Pages:Fork file, which also breaks policy. Your kind of aggressive threats and postuiring simply to try to prevail with what you want to do against policy is unacceptable behavior, and it's disgusting that an admin would take such ridiculous actions. I have again restored the redirect to domain tasting, as even the article in question says ICANN and other registrars and groups use that term and that domain kiting was just the term coined as a neologism by the CEO of GoDaddy. That's the way it needs to stay, and do not threaten me with an abuse of admin power, because that simply doesn't fly. I'm not impressed by egomaniacs trying to throw their self-perceived weight around, especially when it breaks a number of the rules for how Misplaced Pages is set up to work. DreamGuy 20:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, you also said I should discuss it before taking the action, and I *DID* put the discussion on the talk page, and nobody else is talking there (not that they can say anything, as policy is clear on this point), so for you tell me I need to discuss it first when it's YOU who isn;t discussing it is yet another indication of your being unreasonable on this matter. DreamGuy 20:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

AND you even say in an old discuss on the talk page "'domain tasting' could mean something different, even if it is the preferred term in the industry -- YOU ADMIT IT'S THE PREFERRED TERM, SO POLICY SAYS WE HAVE TO USE THAT TERM. That policy has been around for years and years. As an admin you should really familiarize yourself with the policies you are supposed to be upholding. DreamGuy 20:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

{{uw-block}} ...

• Your creation (not reversion) of the article at domain tasting is out of process.
• There was a previous failed attempt to move the article from domain kiting to domain tasting. (I didn't close it, but there were no support !votes. The oppose !votes were a bit questionable, also.)
• If you were to propose the move on WP:RM, I might support it if you give reasonable arguments. (Or it could be we need to fork, as there are two related concepts which might separately be named.)
• As for it being the perferred term, it must also not be wrong, which is disputed in this case. See the KiB discussions elsewhere. It's clear that kB is the preferred term, but it's wrong.

— Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

911 template

You might want to consider adding Template:Sep11 to your watchlist. Tom Harrison 12:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 13:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Uładzimir Zylka

I've explained why this person is notable and why this article shouldn't be deleted at Talk:Uładzimir Zylka. BTW number of Google search results can be small in this case, because of Belarus' language nature. There are many different variatons of this name's transliteration. Best regards. Visor 14:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

to the rescue of a one-liner

I was hoping you could move Nephology (to be deleted) back to Nephology for me. Rebroad decided that this was too short and should be merged with Cloud and then moved Nephology to Nephology (to be deleted) so that he could move Cloud to Nephology. When he found out that he couldn't make that move (which ironically, he would have been able to if he'd had it speedy deleted or even Afded), he went to the talk page at Cloud (a first for him and moving) with this comment,

"Hi. Since this article is studying clouds, would it seem reasonable to rename this article to Nephology, with Cloud redirecting to it? Or perhaps rename the cloud disambiguation page to Cloud which would then include a link to Nephology"

And his logic is making me think that I need to assume even more good faith then I have been because I'm really now thinking that he wasn't trying to vandalize the person article and that all of his bizarre page moves have just been that--not vandalism. Anyway, he's right--the article's been a one-liner for forever, but it should be put on the stubs in urgent need of attention list, if I can ever find that page again, not move and double-redirected, and not instantly deleted. But I can't put it on the stub list or do anything until it's not called (to be deleted) so I was wondering if you could move for me.

And if you understood all that, you're either very clever or drank just the right amount of coffee. Miss Mondegreen | Talk   07:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)