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	:::NO. What's that even supposed to mean? By birth? He was born in a German family in a German build, German inhabited city. You people are insane. ] (]) 11:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)		:::NO. What's that even supposed to mean? By birth? He was born in a German family in a German build, German inhabited city. You people are insane. ] (]) 11:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::It is likely his father was a Germanized Pole, he also spent years in Polish cities and universities, such as ] in Krakow. ] (]) 11:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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1497:Canon of Frauenburg

The current WP article refers of his son Andreas in the role of Augustianin canon of the Cathedral of Frauenburg. But the same charge took to Nicolaus, in 1497, when he was in Italy yet (source: Holmes Charles Nevers, Popular Astronomy, Vol. 24, p. 219, in SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS)).

The same information is also provided by Smith, David Eugene (July 1, 1917). "Medicine and Mathematics in the Sixteenth Century" (PDF). Ann Med Hist. 1 (2): 125–140. OCLC 12650954. PMC 7927718. PMID 33943138. Archived (PDF) from the original on May 15, 2021. Retrieved July 15, 2021. (here cited p. 129). This book dates back to 1917 and is also an alternative source about the Copernicus' masters of mathematics and astronomy: Peuerbach, Regiomontanus, Domenico Maria, and Brudzewski. All of them are actually sourced by a unique monography (Dobrzycki and Hajdukiewicz (1969)). Regards, Theologian81sp

In the "Theology" section, the information differs from its source.

In the "Theology" section, early on, there are a number of quotes to a controversy with Calvin. This controversy is supported by sources 112 and 113 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/2708147). It turns out that such a source explains that the aforementioned quotes from Calvin are not actually found in the writings of that author, but in the words of Bertrand Russel who, in turn, makes no mention of a source. It should be noted that this source is Edward Rosen, an expert in Copernicus.

Furthermore, such quotations attributed to Calvin against Copernicus are now recognized as non-existent. Russell probably obtained the "citations" via Andrew Dickson White and his "A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom", where they first appear. The Misplaced Pages article on White's book itself exposes the situation.

Finally, I myself possess all of Calvin's commentaries, including those of Genesis and Psalms, cited in this article (about Copernicus) and I can state that there is no similar quote. In fact, there is no citation to Copernicus' name in Calvin's work, either positive or negative.

Therefore, it would be fair to completely remove the references to Calvin, because: 1) they are unlikely (Calvin simply does not address the issue raised by Copernicus anywhere); 2) refers to indirect citations that do not cite sources; 3) misuses the source, as the author is denouncing the fact that the quote to Calvin does not refer to the original source.

The text would then look like this (first paragraph of "Theology"): "Tolosani may have criticized the Copernican theory as scientifically unproven and unfounded, but the theory also conflicted with the theology of the time. One sharp point of conflict "

An alternative would be to amend the text, explaining that this was an idea popularized by White (and then Russell), but that it does not match reality, citing the same sources that exist in the articles about White and his book.

Mistocrente (talk) 17:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistocrente (talk • contribs) 15:22, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

You are mistaken about the quotations of Calvin. There are two such quotations given in the Theology section of the article. Rosen, in the article of his that you cite, attributes both of them directly to Calvin (on pages 437 and 438), citing a 1948 re-issue of John King's translation of Calvin's Commentaries on the Book of Genesis (Vol.I, p.61) for the first, and a 1949 re-issue of James Anderson's translation of Calvin's Commentaries on the Book of Psalms (Vol.IV, pp.6-7) for the second. It's true, as Rosen documents, that anti-Copernican statements which Calvin never made have been misattributed to him, but these two quotations are not among them. The reasons you offer for completely removing the references to Calvin therefore don't stand up to scrutiny. However, I believe the truth of your parenthetical comment, "Calvin simply does not address the issue raised by Copernicus", is sufficient, just by itself, to justify the removal.

2001:8003:1D7D:5100:E00A:92E0:46A:C431 (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

ya 2601:204:C001:3A70:9CC9:5089:AE99:9B8 (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

You are mistaken about the quotations of Calvin. There are two such quotations given in the Theology section of the article. Rosen, in the article of his that you cite, attributes both of them directly to Calvin (on pages 437 and 438), citing a 1948 re-issue of John King's translation of Calvin's Commentaries on the Book of Genesis (Vol.I, p.61) for the first, and a 1949 re-issue of James Anderson's translation of Calvin's Commentaries on the Book of Psalms (Vol.IV, pp.6-7) for the second. It's true, as Rosen documents, that anti-Copernican statements which Calvin never made have been misattributed to him, but these two quotations are not among them. The reasons you offer for completely removing the references to Calvin therefore don't stand up to scrutiny. However, I believe the truth of your parenthetical comment, "Calvin simply does not address the issue raised by Copernicus", is sufficient, just by itself, to justify the removal. 2601:204:C001:3A70:9CC9:5089:AE99:9B8 (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

someone please correct small grammar issue

Near the beginning of the article it says that he was active as a mathematician, an astronomer, and Catholic canon. That's ungrammatical. Someone please correct it, e.g., to: active in mathematics, astronomy, and Cathologic canon. (I don't have an account, and don't want one, so I cannot correct it myself.) 2A02:A03F:8D32:AC00:441C:A3DD:7F9A:A742 (talk) 13:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I fail to see the grammatical error. On the other hand, the existing statement says that he acted in different professions, not just doing a bit of math, astronomy and especially canon. So as a non-native speaker I cannot judge whether the existing sentence is grammatically wrong, but I know that your version does not carry the meaning that is supposed to be there. Just to explain why I will not follow your request. ASchudak (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

how do you know 2601:204:C001:3A70:9CC9:5089:AE99:9B8 (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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550th birthday

is today 19th February 2023. The World Copernican Congress, organised to mark the 550th anniversary of the birth of Nicolaus Copernicus, will begin on February 19th with at NCU Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń, later in other cities. The twitter account of "The Chancellery of the Prime Minister or Poland" (Mateusz Morawiecki since 2017) twittered "„Stopped the Sun, moved the Earth”. #OTD we celebrate 550th anniversary of the birth of Nicolaus #Copernicus, the Polish Renaissance man who presented the first, since Ancient Greece, heliocentric model of the Solar System. Copernicus is the parton of 2023." Matthead (talk) 14:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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Grammatical corrections? 205.213.104.147 (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd be happy to make any corrections - feel free to list the changes you'd like to make here and they will be made on your behalf. Tollens (talk) 23:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

A monumental scandal

An enormous bulk of evidence about Copernicus having been ethnically German and of Polonising German topography has been "archived". The present article carefully avoids the terms German or Polish for the ethnicity of the man because the evidence is clear that he was German - with a German father and a German mother, who will have taught him the German and not the Polish language. And the article Polonises all place names in Prussia that got Polish names only in the 20th century, but misses out on Danzig. - A monumental scandal and a disgusting disgrace. 2001:9E8:25F:FD00:E9AB:E4CF:D944:B901 (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

True, but both sides have valid arguments, it's best to leave nationality out of this Crainsaw (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

No they don't it's not even a discussion. He was quite obviously ethnically German but wikipedia is leftist political propaganda at it's finest. This site truly has become a disgrace. 178.24.247.43 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

The current article represents a hard-earned consensus, after monumental disruption by editors who aggressively espoused competing assertions of nationality. Please don't start that again. Acroterion (talk) 19:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

We have been through this. Several times. There are definitive arguments for Copernicus being a loyal subject of the Polish crown in territory ultimately subject to the Polish king - which is a good definition of being Polish. There is the definitive argument of Copernicus subscribing to the German Natio in Bologna and his suriving works in German (and Latin). The rest is more or less speculation (some more, some less). We DO know that this debate runs over centuries now, and finding a consensus here took a decade or two. Just accept him to be in the heritage of both nations, at best a connecting rather then a dividing aspect of history. ASchudak (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

He was Half-Polish by birth, German in name, but he lived in Poland, it half because Lived in Poland+Half polsh= Half Polish, and German in name+Half German=Half German Crainsaw (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

NO. What's that even supposed to mean? By birth? He was born in a German family in a German build, German inhabited city. You people are insane. 178.24.247.43 (talk) 11:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

It is likely his father was a Germanized Pole, he also spent years in Polish cities and universities, such as Jagiellonian University in Krakow. Crainsaw (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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