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Founder of the libertarian financial blog Zero Hedge. Fails WP:BASIC. This article is mostly based on primary sources and sources about Zero Hedge that mention Ivanjiiski tangentially. Does not merit a stand-alone article. Schierbecker (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Keep or redirect there are a number of secondary sources referenced in the page (New Republic, New York Magazine, Bloomberg) but given the (crazy) importance of Zero Hedge, even if we decided that it doesn't merit a stand-alone article, it would make sense to redirect to the blog's article per WP:ATD-R. Jahaza (talk) 01:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. I agree with the above. --Bduke (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep In the past when I have nominated for afd ceos and founder types (who were not notable for anything except the founding) I received spankings stating there was a notability policy for this version of BLP. Come someone link to that here? Anyone know what I am talking about, or did I hit my head recently? Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Delete/redirect. I was a little bit surprised on a WP:BEFORE, but it seems that aside from the blog, everything else is WP:ROUTINE, lacking in SIGCOV (jobs, $780 insider trading, marriage/divorce, family). Notability is not inherited and subject does not meet WP:BIO. Regarding the above voter's note about a special notability poilicy, I think it's probably ANYBIO.2. Personally, I don't think that WP:ANYBIO.2 applies: Zero Hedge's reliance on conspiracy theories and sensationalism suggests that the individual's contribution will not remain part of the enduring historical record in the field of finance. But I could be convinced otherwise. —siroχo 08:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Delete/redirect Past AfD spankings and "crazy" importance of ZeroHedge are not good arguments to keep. I've previous discussed the "number of secondary sources" in this BLP on the ZeroHedge talk page (link). The argument is short enough that I can repeat it here: The article cites 14 sources. 8 are unacceptable primary sources. The two most-cited sources are about ZeroHedge, and only mention him as a tangent. The only three sources that provide significant coverage of him were all published on the exact same day (WP:RSBREAKING, which should never be the basis for a whole BLP), and are all about him in relation to ZeroHedge. See WP:NOPAGE. DFlhb (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Well, you might want to read my post again. I said that due to the importance of Zerohedge (which I referred to as crazy, because of its importance despite its conspiratorial and tabloid nature, not because of the intensity of its importance), we should at least redirect the name, not that we should keep it on that basis. The name of the founder of a notable web site that has been extensively covered by legacy media is at the least a plausible search term, even if the founder is only notable for the web site. Jahaza (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Finance, and Bulgaria. Spiderone 10:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. Definitely not a Delete. Despite his pathological desire to be anonymous (e.g. when Nigel Farage was given a breakfast with Ivandjiski in 2012, it made the Spectator), he had coverage in 2009 in his first unmasking in The New Yorker, and Business Insider, and wider SIGCOV in his 2016 unmasking in Forture, Bloomberg, Sydney Morning Herald, and South China Morning Post, and SIGCOV on himself (and his father) in 2022 in The New Republic (which is a WP:RS/P). He also gets quite a lot of WP:BASIC type coverage, such as in The Hill, the Straits Times, CNN Business, the Daily Dot, and CBS News. A search of books here also demonstrates a lot of WP:BASIC coverage. Definitely not a delete, this person, despite his best efforts, is of note. Aszx5000 (talk) 12:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Question, is there any notability (that's not a minor personal detail) aside from that inherited from the blog or family? —siroχo 22:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Whether or not he wants to be a public figure, the question is whether it makes sense to have a page separate from ZeroHedge discussing him. A merge would also be fine, though the target article already seems to mention all the relevant bits (hence my support for redirecting). WP:OVERLAP strongly applies; articles shouldn't have other articles as 'semi-required' background reading, and any info about him is more relevant to covering ZeroHedge than to covering him. It's better that he be covered in the ZeroHedge article than in this "perma-Start-class" short article with very low views. I don't like us keeping articles that are this short and have minimal prospect for expansion. It's also a pretty strong case of WP:PSEUDO. DFlhb (talk) 08:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

This person has the standalone SIGCOV (2009, 2016, 2022) for WP:GNG, and in addition is referenced widely enough in media and books for WP:BASIC. I am sorry Mr. Ivandjiiski, despite your desire for anonymity, you are a textbook case of Misplaced Pages notability. Aszx5000 (talk) 20:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is a great enough difference of opinion here that I think a week's relisting is worth doing.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz 23:17, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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