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==Fowler&fowler==
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===Request concerning Fowler&fowler===
; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Abhishek0831996}} 11:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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; ] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it :
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Made 3 reverts on the main article of ] even after knowing that he ] for his edits on talk page concerning a ]. He resumed discussion on the talk page (by instead of continuing on the existing one) only after reaching too close to making 4 reverts in 24 hours. His talk page discussions have been toxic due to personal attacks and he continues to show his failure to ].

#: Falsely accusing editors of "meatpuppetry".
#: ] and ].
#:Demeaning editors as having "{{tq|]-viewpoint}}" and violating ] by pinging at least a dozen of editors (with most having never edited the article). Though he made no pings to any of the editors who have been involved in this months-old dispute.
#: Simply refuses to understand ] and doubles down by saying "{{tq|It seems to be the latest arsenal in the revamped, slightly more sophisticated, Hindu nationalist attack on Misplaced Pages}}".
#: Believes I don't have enough credibility because I have "{{tq|a record of two edits}}" on the main article. This is very contrary to his own canvassing of editors as mentioned above who have never edited the article before.
#: Violation of ]; {{tq|both you, Randy Kryn, and CapnJackSp are being less than generous when you respond to my reliably sourced edits with what are personal musings.}}
#: Once he failed to receive any support on talk page, he went to misrepresent the content dispute on the page-protecting admin's page to convince him to restore his preferred version. He made no mention of the talk page discussions where consensus has been held against his edits.
#: Almost the same as above but this time more emotive and least objective.

His responses to editors who have raised issues on his talk page include "{{tq|please do not post on my user talk page again. I have a limited amount of patience for arguments with people who have given no evidence for knowledge of the mode of historical argumentation}}". "{{tq|I'm sick and tired of bogus editors such as you}}". And "{{tq|you have no compunction leaving a superciliously preachy message on my talk page about my behavior}}".

This is a long-term behavioral issue with Fowler, to impose his views and exhaust the patience of others. Experienced editors of this area have frequently condemned the behavior of Fowler, with some deeming his actions as a "{{tq|clever strategy to remove editorial opponents}}" or "{{tq|my way or the highway}}". Even after various ANI reports, Fowler has evidently refused to mend his behavior. ] (]) 11:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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    Appeal request by GoodDay

    Appeal request by GoodDay (talk)

    Sanction, that appeal is being requested for

    Administrator imposing the sanction

    Notification of that administrator

    Statement by GoodDay

    Well, it' been a full year now, since my t-ban was imposed. I might've been able (not sure) to request having it lifted six-months ago, but chose to wait longer. I understand the mistakes I made & certainly recognise that the topic-in-general is indeed contentious. Should administrators chose to lift my t-ban from GenSex? I can easily promise, it's a topic area I would very much rather avoid. If any questions, please feel free to ping me. PS - I will also avoid the editor, whom I wrongly described with an offensive pronoun & not use such offensive pronouns on any other editors. Heated exchanges do not excuse, such utterances. GoodDay (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    I've been asked why appeal, if I'm going to avoid the topic anyway. Because, it's less stressful, if one edits a page (unknowingly) even remotely related to Gensex, without the possibility of breaching a formal t-ban. GoodDay (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    Good catch @Courcelles:, I did appeal, six months ago. My apologies for the over sight. Since then, I've successfully had my t-ban modified. GoodDay (talk) 17:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    @Sideswipe9th:, I've no plans to make any Gensex related edits or get involved in Gensex content disputes/discussions. If my appeal is successful? I would certainly walk away or stay away, from such disputes & undo any edits to main space, if seen as problematic. GoodDay (talk) 18:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    @Swarm:, We've got links to both the July 2022 case & Jan 2023 appeal, I believe now. I would appreciate it, if you would point out, any other. GoodDay (talk) 14:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    @Miesianiacal:, I'm fully aware, one must tread carefully around the GenSex topic & interaction with editors, when content disputes arise. Can I do better? There's only one way to prove if I can. That would be lifting the t-ban & giving me that chance. In the GenSex topic, I can prove I can do better, if I'm given the chance to 'walk the walk. GoodDay (talk) 14:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    To administrators - I will not be argumentative around the GenSex topic, since I won't be giving input in GenSex topic disputes. GoodDay (talk) 23:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    Statement by Dennis Brown

    Statement by Sideswipe9th

    Just to note on the timeline, this is GoodDay's third appeal, having made and withdrawn an appeal in January 2023, and having made a successful amendment request in February 2023.

    I'm honestly not sure what it's less stressful, if one edits a page (unknowingly) even remotely related to Gensex, without the possibility of breaching a formal t-ban will mean in practice. After the amendment in February, GoodDay can already make his typical Wikignome style edits to GENSEX articles without fear of breaching the TBAN. I have to ask, what sort of edits and contributions are you planning on making if this appeal is successful, and that you can't make now? Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal request by GoodDay

    Statement by FormalDude

    Why are you appealing the t-ban if you "would very much rather avoid" the topic area? ––FormalDude (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    Statement by Miesianiacal

    Can GoodDay demonstrate he's learned from the mistakes he's made? Simply recognizing the topic is contentious isn't enough; an inability to recognize contentiousness wasn't even the problem that led to the t/ban in the first place. Given my own recent experience with GoodDay a couple of months ago, I'm highly skeptical of any claim that he's learned from his mistakes and "I'll just keep myself away from the topic" isn't very reassuring. My impression is GoodDay should elaborate on what he believes he did wrong and then on how he proposes to do things better going forward. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 19:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    Result of the appeal request by GoodDay

    Appeal request by Товболатов

    Appeal request by Товболатов (talk)

    Sanction, that appeal is being requested for

    • indefinitely topic-banned from articles related to ethnic minority groups in the former Soviet Union, broadly construed

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    Statement by Товболатов

    Hello, respected arbitral tribunal. I have a topic restriction indefinitely topic-banned from articles related to ethnic minority groups in the former Soviet Union, broadly construed. My violation 17 February 2023 tendentious editing across multiple articles, particularly this editing spree on February 16 (Special:Diff/1139722862, Special:Diff/1139722968, Special:Diff/1139723019, Special:Diff/1139723084, Special:Diff/1139723110, Special:Diff/1139723167, Special:Diff/1139723254, Special:Diff/1139723211). I admit it's my fault. Half a year has passed, I did not participate in disputes, I did not violate the rules. Request to the community to remove the restrictions from me. I won't break the rules. User talk:Товболатов, User talk:Товболатов, Special:Contributions/Товболатов.

    Sincerely, Tovbolatov. Товболатов (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

    Hello, Courcelles this i made this edit by mistake, confused the project with the Russian one. Any person makes mistakes, no one is immune from this. If I violate the rules, any administrator can immediately block me. There were no edits after that, I didn’t want to make a mistake, I thought if I made a small mistake, they could immediately block me. Sanctions were applied to me for the first time, I had not come across this before in 7 years (in the beginning I wrote from anonymous).--Товболатов (talk) 07:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

    I forgot in the Russian project for 7 years I was blocked for one hour. I'm sorry.--Товболатов (talk) 07:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

    I don’t understand why I have such a long block, I didn’t have any gross violations, only spamming once. During this, there is usually a day or two of blocking. I did not offend anyone, I did not have a doll. I didn’t create fakes, but there were disputes at the beginning due to three articles by one person, but their community (administrators) was deleted due to unreliable information. Like I'm some kind of villain. Everyone makes a mistake once, according to the rules, I can apply to three instances. This is the third time I've been rejected. --Товболатов (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

    In the Russian project, I wrote two articles during this time, made many edits. I have been thanked several times for this. There were discussions with participants and I made positive contributions. I want to translate several articles into an English project, three so far. Two about the personality and one about the group of origin. I wrote 12 articles here, they are in the main space with three pages, the administrators helped me. Pages Created Diff- Эпизод сражения при Валерике 11 июля 1840 года, Товболат Курчалоевский, https://ru.wikipedia.org/Служебная:Вклад/Товболатов,
    I finalized this article, protected it from deletion Хамзат Нашхоевский, edited this page Верхний Наур, Штурм аула Гуниб 25 августа 1859 года. Created pages My three pages got on the main page in Russian Misplaced Pages. In total, I wrote 177 articles on Misplaced Pages. --Товболатов (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    Courcelles ok, i'll fix it, thanks for the trust!--Товболатов (talk) 19:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

    Statement by Rosguill

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal request by Товболатов

    Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)

    Result of the appeal request by Товболатов

    • Absolutely not. Essentially no editing since sanctioned. Should have been blocked for this. Likely we need to broaden this to the former USSR, including modern successor republics, broadly construed. Courcelles (talk) 22:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
      Okay, withdraw my idea of expanding the ban, but still oppose appeal. We want to see good editing on the English Misplaced Pages, not merely the passage of time. Courcelles (talk) 18:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    • I see that Товболатов has barely edited since the topic ban. Perhaps edit other areas for a while and then ask for the topic ban to be lifted. --RegentsPark (comment) 00:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
    • I'll accept the explanation for that single questionable edit (God only knows I've typed things in the wrong window more than once), but even so the complete lack of activity doesn't really give us anything else to go on. We need to see evidence of actual improvement, not just the clock ticking. That's the exact reason that we don't very often do time-limited topic bans any more; before they get lifted, we want to see someone doing better, not just running out the clock. Seraphimblade 21:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    SMcCandlish

    Withdrawn by filer as out of AE scope. Comment objected to was withdrawn, as well. Courcelles (talk) 23:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


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    Request concerning SMcCandlish

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Tamzin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    SMcCandlish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBATC
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 10:54, 22 July 2023 Asserts that TheMainLogan is "willfully misinterpreting" MOS:DASH (an assumption of bad faith) and that if they disagree with his interpretation of MOS:DASH, they "are just smokin' crack" (a personal attack)
    2. 21:13, 22 July 2023 When I asked to strike, replied that I should "Try cultivating a sense of humor", with edit summary ""
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement log/2013 § Article titles and capitalisation: "SMcCandlish (talk · contribs) prohibited from violations of WP:AGF; advised to avoid commenting on contributor." The linked warning includes the line You are strongly advised to avoid commenting on contributor and to confine your comments to content; in particular, you should avoid making personal attacks or engaging in incivility. Failure to achieve a requisite standard of discourse may result in further sanctions being imposed at WP:AE;
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    • Under active sanction in topic area, see above
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I asked SMcCandlish to strike this remark after seeing that it had clearly upset TheMainLogan . Saying that someone must be smoking crack to disagree with you isn't a joke; it's a personal attack, even if you aren't literally accusing them of cocaine abuse. Doing so after putting oneself forward as an authority on the topic at hand just comes off as bullying. This is coupled with a violation of the AGF sanction. Accusing someone of willfully misinterpreting guidelines, without any evidence for that willfulness, is a prima facie assumption of bad faith. Given the age of this sanction, I was hoping it could be cleared up with a polite request to retract, but as he has, in his own words, rolled his eyes at the idea that he's done anything wrong, I am bringing it here for review. -- Tamzin (she|they|xe) 21:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    @SMcCandlish: Apparently my vote/opinion neither counts nor matters and a major author of the Manual of Style has accused me of being addicted to crack cocaine. The first of the four instances I gave above of them clearly being hurt by what you said. -- Tamzin (she|they|xe) 21:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    @Izno: My apologies. I was relying on the wording in the 2013 sanction (which applied to all discussion of MoS), but agree that the 2017 amendment to ATC limits the scope of that sanction. Given that what I initially asked for—a retraction of the personal attack—has occurred regardless, feel free to close this as withdrawn. -- Tamzin (she|they|xe) 23:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Special:Diff/1166643597


    Discussion concerning SMcCandlish

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    Statement by SMcCandlish

    Observing that someone seems to be going out of their way to misterpret material is not an "assumption of bad faith". Indeed, I think that participants in disputes like that one have entirely good faith; they believe that they are "correcting" the English of others. Making what is obviously a silly-phrased joke is not a "personal attack". I'd be entirely willing to strike that phrase if the editor in question said they felt attacked by it, but they have so far remained silent, and probably have a sense of humor. Tamzin needs to find something better to do than thought-police other editors. I'll remind the commitee of previous decisions that even telling other editors to "fuck off" isn't necessarily actionable as an attack, and I've come nowhere close to such hostile behavior.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC); rev'd. 22:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    The "surrounding context" makes it abundantly clear I was neither assuming bad faith nor engaging in a personal attack. I was pointing out an interpretation logic error (based on very direct experience of having written much of the material being misinterpreted), and trying to inject some levity into yet another tedious style debate, which way too many people take too seriously and allow to suck up their time.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    Given that theMainLogan, to whom the comment was directed, objected to the phrase, I've struck it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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    Result concerning SMcCandlish

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Two comments, while leaving any specific decisions to the uninvolved admin. First, this isn't before the Arbitration Committee. It's at WP:AE so it's before uninvolved administrators (hence why I'm leaving decisions to them). Second, even telling other editors to "fuck off" isn't actionable as an attack is not correct; per WP:FUCKOFF "fuck off" is definitely uncivil in many contexts, and incivility is sanctionable, but consideration should be given to the surrounding context of each instance before deciding to apply sanctions. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
    • These comments are made outside the scope of the contentious topic designation, see the superceded version.

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      Izno (talk) 22:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    Fowler&fowler

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    Request concerning Fowler&fowler

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Abhishek0831996 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Fowler&fowler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Made 3 reverts on the main article of Mahatma Gandhi even after knowing that he got no support for his edits on talk page concerning a 5 months-old content dispute. He resumed discussion on the talk page (by His talk page discussions have been toxic due to personal attacks and he continues to show his failure to drop the stick.

    1. 22 July 2023: Falsely accusing editors of "meatpuppetry".
    2. 22 July: WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:CANVASSING.
      Demeaning editors as having "Hindu nationalist-viewpoint" and violating WP:CANVASSING by pinging at least a dozen of editors (with most having never edited the article). Though he made no pings to any of the editors who have been involved in this months-old dispute.
    3. 22 July: Simply refuses to understand WP:ASPERSIONS and doubles down by saying "It seems to be the latest arsenal in the revamped, slightly more sophisticated, Hindu nationalist attack on Misplaced Pages".
    4. 22 July: Believes I don't have enough credibility because I have "a record of two edits" on the main article. This is very contrary to his own canvassing of editors as mentioned above who have never edited the article before.
    5. 23 July: Violation of WP:AGF; both you, Randy Kryn, and CapnJackSp are being less than generous when you respond to my reliably sourced edits with what are personal musings.
    6. 23 July: Once he failed to receive any support on talk page, he went to misrepresent the content dispute on the page-protecting admin's page to convince him to restore his preferred version. He made no mention of the talk page discussions where consensus has been held against his edits.
    7. 24 July: Almost the same as above but this time more emotive and least objective.

    His responses to editors who have raised issues on his talk page include "please do not post on my user talk page again. I have a limited amount of patience for arguments with people who have given no evidence for knowledge of the mode of historical argumentation". "I'm sick and tired of bogus editors such as you". And "you have no compunction leaving a superciliously preachy message on my talk page about my behavior".

    This is a long-term behavioral issue with Fowler, to impose his views and exhaust the patience of others. Experienced editors of this area have frequently condemned the behavior of Fowler, with some deeming his actions as a "clever strategy to remove editorial opponents" or "my way or the highway". Even after various ANI reports, Fowler has evidently refused to mend his behavior. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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