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Alisson Becker

I'm not sure if there's a guideline or policy, although it's pretty standard for the infobox name to match the article title. That said, I'm inclined to agree that just 'Alisson' is his more commonly used name, and was a little surprised that the title was moved to include his surname in December. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

overlink

i dont know what else to do but link. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you. Leedsfc (talk) 19:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

i left a welcome message on your talk page, the links there may help you -- FMSky (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

got them thank you Leedsfc (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Tina Turner

You reverted my correction to the description of the article on the late Tina Turner. A person born in Ireland who immigrates to America is an Irish-American, not an Irish-born American. A person born in America who emigrates to Switzerland is an American-Swiss, not an "American-born Swiss". But far be it from me to try to improve Misplaced Pages. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 22:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

She doesnt have American citizenship anymore, read the note at the end of the first sentence. There's also a talk page discussion going on rn --FMSky (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

That's irrelevant, but the heated discussion of this trivial issue just reminds me why I quit editing Misplaced Pages and that I should stick to that policy. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 00:19, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey. Celine Dion did release a short tribute to Tina. Granted, it only appears on Celine's official Facebook page, but it is fact that a tribute was released. You can search for the post, or I can sent a screenshot as proof. It's important that Celine's tribute is reflected in the tribute list to Tina in her official Misplaced Pages article. Can you please reinstate your edit? 2A00:23C6:BC8B:C301:7DD4:24D6:2A3F:10AF (talk) 23:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOSOCIAL

Hello. I've just seen your edits to DJ Ötzi and Lionel Richie as both are on my watchlist—please do not include links to social media accounts in external links sections per WP:NOSOCIAL. I don't know if you've added social media links like these to any other articles, but if you have, please remove them. Thank you. Ss112 20:16, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

why does the template <nowiki>{{Instagram}} template missing ID and not present in Wikidata.<nowiki> even exist then? no i've only added them to ötzi's article, on the lionel richie article it was added by someone else --FMSky (talk) 20:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I doubt the creator of that template consulted anybody upon creating it. I assume they probably didn't know about NOSOCIAL. Tbh Misplaced Pages is rife with all sorts of EL violations. I doubt all the people who've added the template to EL sections know about it either, hence why there seems to be thousands of uses. Ss112 20:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Gary and Paul O'Donovan

Hi. I believe you have confused the images for Gary and Paul O'Donovan. See:

• https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41148529.html
• https://www.rowingireland.ie/high-performance/our-athletes/gary-odonovan/
• https://www.sportsjoe.ie/world-of-sport/gary-odonovan-hes-career-best-form-183055

Gary is the brother with the slightly lighter hair and slightly narrower face. In my view, you've mislabeled them on Commons and Wikidata. Guliolopez (talk) 20:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

shit, you're right, will correct it --FMSky (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Honour

In British English, the word is spelled honour. As can be seen in this manual of style. The Lionel Messi article uses British English, as can be seen by the use of the Use British English template in the fifth line of the article. Therefore, the spelling should say honour, not honor. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

not when its a quote from a source --FMSky (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Says who? What policy is this? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:SIC --FMSky (talk) 10:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

"However, insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected". All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

How is it an error? --FMSky (talk) 10:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

also MOS:CONFORM "However, national varieties should not be changed, as these may involve changes in vocabulary. For example, a quotation from a British source should retain British spelling, even in an article that otherwise uses American spelling." --FMSky (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

So then you must want to apply WP:PRSOURCE, which says "A press release is clearly not an independent source as it is usually written either by the business or organization it is written about, or by a business or person hired by or affiliated with the organization... Usually, but not always, a press release will be identified as such... In general, press releases have effusive praise, rather than factual statements". I propose we remove the change the source and remove the quote, so the text reads as follows - In June 2021, Messi signed a five-year deal to become an ambassador for the Hard Rock Cafe brand. Thoughts? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC) All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

all of this just so that the word "honor" doesnt appear in an article. sounds ridiculous --FMSky (talk) 11:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

So when you want to apply MOS and policies it's fine, when I do it there must be an ulterior motive? Do you think this policy about press releases should apply all the time, or only when you see fit? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

heres the same with british spelling https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/new-lionel-messi-burger-launch-23254272 use that then --FMSky (talk) 11:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not arsed about which source is used as long it's reliable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

References

1. "The Hard Rock Cafe Is Collaborating With Lionel Messi For Its 50th-Anniversary". GQ Middle East. 15 June 2021. Retrieved 4 June 2023.

Heather B. Gardner

Hi. Please do not blank content from articles without providing a rationale for this in your edit summary, as you did with this edit to Heather B. Gardner. The material is supported by citations, and removing it without providing a rationale is not appropriate. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

When i made the edit there wasnt a source at all... per MOS:ROLEBIO only her most notable occupations should be listed --FMSky (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding photos.

Hi there. I tried moving a 1982 photo of Joe Jackson (not to be confused with the patriarch of the Jackson 5) after a 2021 photo was added but it didn't work properly. What did I do wrong as this is my first time manually adding a photo. GTAGamer245 (talk) 23:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, i guess you're referring to this edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Joe_Jackson_(musician)&diff=prev&oldid=1159208506 You put a "nowiki" tag around the image file, thats why it didnt show up, i've corrected it --FMSky (talk) 05:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

the pic the other guy inserted into the infobox was a copyright violation so i reverted the article to an earlier version --FMSky (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining my mistake. I didn't realise this kind of tag would cause the image to not show up properly. GTAGamer245 (talk) 12:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Alexander Graham Bell Infobox

Hi! You removed the (secondary school) education from Bell's info box, I replaced it, and you reverted stating the parameter guidance for infobox.

Bell's education is relevant -- the fact that he was a scholar and teacher, without having earned even an undergraduate degree, is indeed oft-cited in his biographies.

I don't care to edit war this! However, the infobox guidance for education and alma mater lead me to realize that we shouldn't really be using alma mater at all, but education to encompass all three items.

education: Education, e.g., degree, institution and graduation year, if relevant. If very little information is available or relevant, the |alma_mater= parameter may be more appropriate.

alma mater: This parameter is a more concise alternative to (not addition to) |education=, and will often consist of the linked name of the last-attended institution of higher education (not secondary schools). It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise

Since alma mater is not appropriate for secondary education, and Bell's higher education is a significant part of his history with plenty of information available, I will put all three schools in the "education" parameter, and remove alma mater altogether.

Please tag me if you care to discuss this more here, or add a section to the article's talk page so others can weigh in! Thanks! Kerri9494 (talk) 20:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Protege

Look man, if youre gonna take my edits down, you could at least take down the other Protege edits. JuanBoss105 (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Ryan Jarman

If you're going to restore that (IMHO off-topic) info, you need to source it. Toddst1 (talk) 22:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Name in Infobox

I know my edit would be reverted, but by your logic, that would for a good portion of biographical articles that go by the subject's birth name. Not sure why Whitney Houston is any different. Mr. C.C._{I didn't do it!} 20:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

see https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_person it should only be used if different from "name", which obviously makes sense, why would you want to list the same exact name (thats also already the infobox name) twice?? -FMSky (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You might as well remove it from every biographical article where their real name is used. You can just pick and choose. You have to do it for all. Mr. C.C._{I didn't do it!} 20:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah thats why i do exactly that whenever i notice it --FMSky (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Damon Dash

Can you remove the mention of Damon's brief appearance in a recent documentary about Aaliyah from his personal life section? I find it unnecessary seeing as though it adds no new or valuable information to the narrative about their relationship or Dash's wiki article itself. Dash has appeared in other Aaliyah documentaries over the years so it carries no true significance other than a particular user feeling the need to pad related wiki articles with every little Aaliyah fact they can. 166.198.202.60 (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done --FMSky (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Kelly Rowland/Destiny's Child

An edit regarding Destiny's Child sales was recently made to Kelly Rowland's page to reflect group sales of 100 million according to an alleged 2012 press release from Mathew Knowles but on the Destiny's Child wiki and other sources, it says the group has sold more than 60 million as of 2013. While 100 million would definitely be more than 60 million, I don't think it should flat out say 100 million, if it's not exactly that, but I also don't want to edit war so should I just leave it alone? 166.194.204.11 (talk) 23:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Jos Schaffer quote

I used some personal discretion when i edited in Jon Shaffer discussing "fiat currency", as the original article wrote "fee on currency". I changed the quote to "(fiat) currency", as I felt it was the best and most appropriate way to convey what Jon had said as the only reason the article had wrote "fee on" instead of "fiat" was a misquote in itself, and I am sure of this because there is a video of him speaking, also "fiat currency" is a well known and frequently addressed thing in economic, as well as political and extreme political circles.

You changed it back to "fee on currency" on 15:49, 28 August 2022 with the commentary being "what does the other even mean?", Well I am not going to explain it here, but if you google it, I assure you that you will understand my edit was a more proper one, and you should revert it back. Restorethetruth (talk) 22:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Restorethetruth: When you change a quote, is it still a quote? - FlightTime (open channel)

Wondering why you reverted my grammatical corrections?

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mel_Gibson&oldid=prev&diff=1080880141 Lifesnadir (talk) 04:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

How is "but has appreciates the sacrifices made by warriors" a correct sentence? --FMSky (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

This reversion

Hi. Not sure why you've reverted my edit but I think it's ok to include "producer" in the lead sentence. Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually yes you're right, he has more production roles than i had initially thought --FMSky (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Miguel (singer)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's really necessary to include the specific genre of music the singer specializes in in the short description. Jamgorham (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

and what would be a reason to not include it? --FMSky (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Tina Turner

Why did you remove my edit on Tina Turner that she died from natural causes? DrKilleMoff (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

your edits were partially unsourced --FMSky (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Lemmy

See this archived discussion from 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Lemmy/Archive_1. It's consensus that he is more commonly referred to by the mononym. And we use Lemmy everywhere else in the article. Please let it be now. DrKilleMoff (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Mispelling

I have no access to edit this article. As such, could someone change the sentence, "a submariner officer" to reqd, "a submarine officer" ? The superfluous "r" needs to go. Liahona999 (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

which article?

Reverted Edit

Hi FMSky,

I noticed that you reverted an edit I made to the Gene Simmons article and wanted to ask about your basis for doing so.

My edit was to insert a comma based on MOS:GEOCOMMA, which I cited in the edit comments. In your reversion, you stated "Can you not change direct quotes please?". Please review MOS:CONFORM and let me know your interpretation and understanding for how that applies in this case. The guidance says "quoted text should be adapted to English Misplaced Pages conventions without comment" but I suppose I can start including MOS:CONFORM in the edit comments, as well.

Please advise.

Edward Bednar (talk) 12:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

MOS:CONFORM doesnt say anything about commas so i'm really not sure. but its not even a necessary comma to begin with so there's no reason to mess with it --FMSky (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Removals

Yes, I did notice these removals but only by people acting irresponsibly while re-adding nationalities against consensus. I didn't take them seriously and am rather surprised that you did. SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

yeah but re-adding it wont do anything to solve it. it will just keep getting removed lol. so its better to find a solution that everyone agrees with --FMSky (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not User:Category Adder

Hey,

I noticed you removed my post from your talk page. I'm not Category Adder. I have no relation to him whatsoever. Please judge my comments on my merit and not that of another unrelated user.

Thank you! :-D AgentKozak (talk) 15:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

White Wizzard

Hello,

I've edited the bands page a couple times and you kept rejecting my edits.

Will Wallner is not longer a member of the band.

The photo on the page is from 2012, I've put an updated artwork of the band from 2022.

I have corrected the events of 2013 with real unbiased information with supporting articles and it was not approved as well.

Can you explain yourself?

All the information I've corrected is true and unbiased.

Looking forward to hear from you, thanks. Oferholan (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@Oferholan: Hi, i didn't revert the Wallner edit, the image was a copyright violation, and the informations you changed were unsourced --FMSky (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I have sourced the information with 2 articles!

I don't see how can you say it is unsourced.

Please go over it again.

About the picture, I will put in another one, that picture of the band from 2012 is really no representing the band.

Are you a fan of the band or know anything about them, or just assume that I'm making things up for no reason? Oferholan (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Look at the text again, it should be fine now --FMSky (talk) 18:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you just left that Joseph was fired, but I know for fact (as cited by the articles I have related in the references) that what I edited really happened.

I don't see why would you deny it, are you related to the band/its members somehow?

I have no interest in editing the page but posting the truth. Oferholan (talk) 18:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

No, but your wording wasnt neutral and a violation of WP:NPOV so isnt suited for wikipedia.

"In October 2013 Jon Leon fired Joseph Michael after he refused to perform a booked concert with paid attendees waiting in the venue while he sat in a bar across the street. Earlier that day, Joseph Michael made an entirely false claim that Jon Leon had misappropriated band funds from their Indie GoGo donations and demanding he get more money when the band had very little funds, and emailed all donators to try and smear Leon after the previous evening Jon Leon had let Joseph Michael know they would not continue their relationship after the tour due to multiple issues. None of these claims were proven or substantiated. They were a fabrication. The subsequent falling out led to the tour being cancelled, and the band imploded and would go on hiatus."

--FMSky (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I see, alright, I accept it. Oferholan (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Well or you could rewrite in a more neutral tone (and probably more concise too) --FMSky (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Try That in a Small Town

Hi, may I ask how removing "media" and "academia" here makes it "more accuarate"? The section specifically mentions both of these so it seems like the opening sentence should as well. –dlthewave ☎ 12:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Cause the earlier statement made it seem like the song was universally condemned, which isnt the case. Its actually his highest charting song. And not a lot of "academics" have even commented on it --FMSky (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I suppose we do only have one academic, but I see no justification for removing "media" as much of the criticism mentioned in that section comes from media personalities. Thank you for adding the Billboard numbers; this is the correct way to add additional points of view instead of removing mentions of negative coverage. –dlthewave ☎ 15:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Adding content about Neely's arrest record and mental health history

Hi, I do feel sympathetic to your concerns, in terms of having balance on the article, and adding further context to give a bigger picture about things. Hopefully my comments on the talk page of the Killing of Jordan Neely page didn't come across as too harsh. I will review some more sources, and get back to you when I have more free time, in terms of offering additional context and maybe some proposed language that could be included for an RfC proposal. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, no i understand your concern. but yeah i think an RfC is probably the best course of action --FMSky (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Here is something that I came up with after reviewing your edit and looking at some sources. I don't know how you (or others) would feel about it as a compromise, but this is one possibility of what could be added to the article:

In 2019, Neely was listed on a city-maintained roster of homeless people considered to be most in need of assistance and treatment, and in 2023 he was subject to an alternative to incarceration program after pleading guilty to felony assault charges. According to The Guardian, once Neely became homeless in 2013, he slipped "into a cycle of mental health crises, arrests and hospitalization that would continue until his death".

72.14.126.22 (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

i mean yeah its better than nothing but it still doesnt provide a lot of insight on that topic. also that kinda makes it seem like this was the only crime he committed. imo the quote i originally posted, "his history of violent of erratic behavior was likely a result of his untreated mental illness" (or something like that) would be good to include --FMSky (talk) 07:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean maybe several things in the article need to be reworked on the topic of mental health, his criminal record, and etc. We'd need a good source or several sources that actually very clearly state, almost verbatim, that he had a history of violent and erratic behavior to be able to say that in wikivoice. Might be easier to try and find a quality source, and just quote from them regarding the topic. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Another option would be to wait until the trial, and if the case is notable then a new article may be created, in which it would be more appropriate to perhaps go in-depth about Neely's background and history, depending on what reliable sources report on in terms of the arguments from Penny's defense attorneys etc. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 05:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Hi again, I notice you've still been removing negative information from various biographies, often citing NPOV. Please note that "neutrality" on Misplaced Pages means something different than you may be familiar with in general usage: We neutrally report on what reliable sources say about the subject, regardless of whether it's positive or negative. This is also a requirement of our WP:BLP policy. A few examples:

• Milo Yiannopoulos - Removing information about college dropout/expulsion with no explanation.
• Candace Owens - Removed "baselessly" which is supported by the source and significantly changes the meaning.
• Candace Owens - Removed college attendance which did not result in a degree.
• Operation Underground Railroad - Added "has been accused" for no apparent reason, casting doubt on RS reporting.
• Sound of Freedom (film) - Again adding "accused" to RS-reported facts.
• Sean Hannity - Removing negative details from lead, incorrectly citing WP:UNDUE

Going forward, please be more careful not to remove information just because it's negative, and do not add weasel words like "alleged" to cast doubt on factual reporting. This is your final warning and any further activity of this type will be reported to ANI. –dlthewave ☎ 18:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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1. Aceves, Matt; Stieb, Paula (2023-05-07). "The Outrage Over Jordan Neely's Killing Isn't Going Away". Intelligencer (New York). Archived from the original on May 3, 2023. Retrieved 2023-05-26.
2. Newman, Andy (May 13, 2023). "Jordan Neely Was on New York's 'Top 50' List of Homeless People at Risk". The New York Times. Archived from the original on May 27, 2023. Retrieved May 29, 2023.
3. Chan, Wilfred (12 May 2023). "'It's a failure of the system': before Jordan Neely was killed, he was discarded". The Guardian. Retrieved 26 July 2023.