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August 2023

Hello, I'm Bojo1498. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Matt Koleszar, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Misplaced Pages has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! bojo | talk 18:51, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Concerns

Hi Therangerrick: Thanks for joining the project and helping out! But I have some concerns, originally arising from your editing at Ruby Franke.

• Most importantly, in a biography of a living person it is particularly important that all the information be referenced (and to reliable published sources, not blogs, forums, personal knowledge, or even government databases). In this edit you added a birthdate that does not appear in the cited sources (or any other sources used in the article), and a maiden name, also with no cited source. This is a serious violation of privacy even if the information is accurate (see WP:BLPPRIVATE for the relevant guideline, but I would have thought it was obvious that a person's unpublished personally identifying information should not be placed on a Top 10 website), and I may ask for revisions of the article with the date to be removed from the public record.
• Franke's children are mostly minors and none of them is a public person. We have a policy against naming such incidentally involved people, especially minors: WP:BLPNAME. In this edit you were the first to introduce such a name. Note that the better news sources on the arrests avoid naming the children concerned. As an encyclopedia, and a prominent website, we similarly avoid such a privacy violation, even though there may be sources online that give all the names, as in this case. I also disagree with your considerable expansion of the section about the treatment of the children, creating a separate section that overwhelmed the article. Again, Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia; we summarize. And the article is nominally about a person, not about the (still future) court case. It should be shaped as a biography; readers can consult the sources for the details, which is why we cite sources.
• Less importantly, but you should also note: some of your edit summaries are either inaccurate or show misunderstanding on your part. That same edit has cleaned up grammer/sentence structure in its edit summary, but the change you evidently refer to as the clean-up was from In the 2020s, Franke began working as a mental health coach at ConneXions, a company run by Jodi Nan Hildebrandt, a counselor; they have also appeared in videos together to From 2021 to 2023, Franke began working as a mental health coach at ConneXions, a company run by Jodi Nan Hildebrandt, a counselor. They have also appeared in videos together. Making a new sentence instead of using a semicolon is a purely stytlistic change (and the 2021 date you added is unsourced, and "From 2021 to 2023, Franke began" is actually a disimprovement; you should have changed it to "In 2021, Franke began"). In this edit you also used the edit summary Cleaned up grammar when your change, again, created a separate sentence rather than correcting any error: from was founded and incorporated by Zuriana (Ani) Zonneveld and Pamela K. Taylor in 2007, headquartered in Los Angeles with regional offices in ... to is a grassroots human rights organization founded and incorporated by Zuriana (Ani) Zonneveld and Pamela K. Taylor in 2007. Headquartered in Los Angeles, MPV has regional offices .... The change from "was founded" to "is a ..." is an improvement in clarity, but there was nothing wrong with the grammar of the original sentence. Also, that edit summary and the edit summary of your first edit to the Ruby Franke article refer to the "short description", but both edits left the short description untouched; what you changed was the article introduction, what we sometimes call the "lead section" or the "lede". (That Ruby Franke edit was also not a grammar correction but a stylistic change—plus addition of dates). Edit summaries are for fellow Wikipedians to check your work and possibly help out; please take these two points about them on board so you don't inadvertently mislead people. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Your opinions are noted. Though I must add that creating separate sections was entirely appropriate because it was a jumbled mess that needed reorganization. Your reversions made it worse, not better. The entire reasoning behind it was to make things easier to read, not this gigantic paragraph.

Comments were unhelpful overall. Therangerrick (talk) 03:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the two children's names. (And for moving the ConneXions bit into Career.) However, since it is clear that you don't agree on the policy matters I raised, and since we must get biographies of living people right, I've reported your editing of the article at the BLP noticeboard: Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Ruby Franke. I hope this will draw experienced editors to the article who can correct and improve it. Yngvadottir (talk) 07:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with the policy citations. It was your overall attitude I took issue with. I will be reporting as well. Therangerrick (talk) 11:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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