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PragerU

Greetings! You thanked me for my edit on PragerU, so you must see the value of it. You should join the discussion, which is dominated by some angry leftist activist who speaks of ”leftism bringing truth”. We need a more objective and fair discussion. Trakking (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Evening!

I made an edit which I believe works well for not only your edit, but also theirs. I did laugh when I saw that editor claim that 'republicans are anti truth so leftism is truth' AbiquiúBoy (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I could not find any historians or political scientists among the critics at all! And if there aren’t, the information is false and should be removed. Could you do a double-check on them so we’re being correct? Trakking (talk) 14:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

You do this by clicking on the links and then on the author in the articles, where it says ”this person is a journalist” etc. Or by googling their names and looking up their credentials. Trakking (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! While I do know how to look at the authors in articles, what I was struggling with was finding the right links for that entire paragraph in the first place. Maybe the criticism sub article has better links. I'll have a look👍🏻 AbiquiúBoy (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I did review it and there were 2 historians or political scientists (Kevin Kruse and Paul Gottfried) so the current compromise edit seems to be the best choice AbiquiúBoy (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Good find. Gottfried is a historian—I forgot. The other guy seems to be one as well. But there’s no political scientist, then. Could you change the text to read ”journalists, sociologists and historians”? Thank you. Trakking (talk) 14:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The reason I made that edit for the fascism article was because, like i mentioned, most people right-of-centre hold the same beliefs in social hierarchy, but it's fascism's rigorous and appalling implementation of it which makes fascism 'fascism'. Maybe we could reach a compromise on that by merging the societal implementation parts which you had mentioned? AbiquiúBoy (talk) 13:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

My intuition was right about that statement being wrong. Historians and political scientists tend to be Rightists. Journalists and sociologists, on the other hand, are often leftists. Fun fact: one of the two historians cited, Paul Gottfried, is in fact an adherent of paleoconservatism, which is a very traditionalist form of conservatism. Trakking (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Historian, ye sure might be, but political scientists? I think those are more of the liberal bent.

Journos and sociologists ye sure.

Thing is, nobody who reads the article can reasonably be expected to get that nuance. What they interpret to be the difference is that journos and sociologists are more 'biased' (regardless of affiliation) and more of a subjective source whilst historians are thought of as a way stronger and more objective source AbiquiúBoy (talk) 19:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking the time to look out for a new editor! AbiquiúBoy (talk) 16:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

If you're going to try to edit in areas under sanctions, please tread carefully. Comments like could be seen as disruptive. --Hipal (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Point taken AbiquiúBoy (talk) 18:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

ARE comment

Just so you know, you're not supposed to reply directly in someone's section at ARE, as you did here and here. You have to add your own subsection titled "Statement by AbiquiúBoy". I suggest you remove or move your comments–if you don't a clerk will do it for you.

As for your reply to me, it is not bad faith to ask a question. It was a reasonable question given I was literally being name-called. And please do not call me "lad". ––FormalDude (talk) 15:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

AbiquiúBoy, I was going to say the same thing. ARE is a place where where replies aren't supposed to be nested. Springee (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

👍🏼I'll take that into consideration from now on thank you AbiquiúBoy (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, didn't know that.

It seems a lot like bad faith because ForumDude and FormalDude are so similar as to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry if I offended you by referring to you as 'lad', it's just a habit I have on other websites

AbiquiúBoy (talk) 15:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Asking a question is giving the benefit of the doubt. I didn't say "You purposefully attacked me". I simply asked what they meant by it. ––FormalDude (talk) 15:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Just came off as a little passive aggressive, especially in the context of something as heated as admin notices AbiquiúBoy (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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