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:::::] A classic example of why all of these lists should be binned - anyone can claim, or be claimed, to be anything. - ] (]) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | :::::] A classic example of why all of these lists should be binned - anyone can claim, or be claimed, to be anything. - ] (]) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | ||
::::::You are right. Next time if there is a proposal like that, I will favour commenting in support of that ] (]) 16:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | ::::::You are right. Next time if there is a proposal like that, I will favour commenting in support of that ] (]) 16:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC) | ||
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::::I'm adding the names of father & son, ] and ] respectively. These people are well respected and owned by the Rajput community therefore I see no problem. ] (]) 00:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::Why not? The Rajputs, themselves, were once warrior groups outside the caste system that came to the aid of established rulers and thereby underwent caste upliftment in the late 1st millennium CE and early second millennium CE. Why is it the fault of the Ravana Rajputs (and in particular this so-called "gangster") that they appeared too late in the history of India's bogus notions of stratification and ritual purity? Either AfD the List of Rajputs altogether, or add the Ravana Rajputs. | :::Why not? The Rajputs, themselves, were once warrior groups outside the caste system that came to the aid of established rulers and thereby underwent caste upliftment in the late 1st millennium CE and early second millennium CE. Why is it the fault of the Ravana Rajputs (and in particular this so-called "gangster") that they appeared too late in the history of India's bogus notions of stratification and ritual purity? Either AfD the List of Rajputs altogether, or add the Ravana Rajputs. | ||
:::PS I don't know if they trace their heritage to King ], but ''he'' was a pundit, so Ravana Rajputs, by the laws of ], would have a heritage that is both Brahmin and Kshatriya. They should therefore be placed at the very top of the List of Rajputs, standing at step 3 1/2 in the caste ladder, just 1/2 a rung below the priests. | :::PS I don't know if they trace their heritage to King ], but ''he'' was a pundit, so Ravana Rajputs, by the laws of ], would have a heritage that is both Brahmin and Kshatriya. They should therefore be placed at the very top of the List of Rajputs, standing at step 3 1/2 in the caste ladder, just 1/2 a rung below the priests. |
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ADD THE NAME OF BRIG RAJENDRA SINGHJI DOGRA
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The man who fought against 30,000 tribal soldiers(many of them were regular pakistani soldiers with disguise) with only 150 soldiers in 1947 in URI cannot be ignored INDIAN ARMY calls this the indian version of 300 VS 1 MILLION. For two days 30,000 tribals supported by heavy firing from pakistani army cannot cross 150 Dogra soldiers at URI.(the bridge was destroyed in fierce fighting).http://www.pranseth.com/Home/chapter-12
The praise by Mountabatten also shows the bravery of this great DOGRA RAJPUT who must be remembered as among the greatest 20th century soldiers. For 2 days he fought against 30,000 tribals(plus the INDIAN MUSLIMS who deserted dogra army and pakistani army). 122.161.70.126 (talk) 12:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
- If you find some decent modern reliable sources then you could create an article for him, perhaps using our WP:AFC facility if you are uncertain of how to begin. If he was indeed a Rajput and that is sourced in your article then, sure, he can be added to this list. I must say that I find your description astonishing: if he did what you say then I would have expected us already to have something about him, so you might also want to check first to see if an article has been created under another name. For example, the "ji" suffix is usually an honorific rather than a part of a person's real name. - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
The article for Rajinder Singh Brigadier is already created. I request to add his name.10:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not done. We still need a source that he was a Rajput. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 00:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Chauhry Nisar Ali Khan (Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan) former Interior Minitser of Pakistan 39.42.147.136 (talk) 19:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
References
- "Nisar's last bet". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 4 December 2017.
- Note that this project requires self-identification for associating a living person with a caste – see here for one of the relevant discussions. And the source provided here does not meet this requirement. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sceptre (talk) 01:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add actor Rituraj Singh
Rituraj Singh No2WesternImperialism (talk) 07:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
References
- "Whts your story with Actor Rituraj.K.Singh" – via YouTube.
5:17 where he gives his bio in Hindi
- https://www.tellychakkar.com/tv/gossip/whats-name
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An entire dynasty and its rulers who form a major part of Gujarat and Rajasthan history are simply missing. Kindly add the famous and big rulers of the Chaulukya dynasty which belonged to the Solanki (clan) of Rajputs: Mularaja, Bhima I, Karna (Chaulukya dynasty), Jayasimha Siddharaja, Kumarapala (Chaulukya dynasty), Ajayapala (Chaulukya dynasty), Mularaja II and Bhima II.
Source:
1. Hermann Kulke (2004). A History of India. Psychology Press. p. 117. ISBN 978-0-415-32919-4. When Gurjara Pratiharas power declined after the sacking of Kannauj by the Rashtrakutkas in the early tenth century many Rajput princes declared their independence and founded their own kingdoms, some of which grew to importance in the subsequent two centuries. The better known among these dynasties were the Chaulukyas or Solankis of Kathiawar and Gujarat, the Chahamanas (i.e. Chauhan) of eastern Rajasthan (Ajmer and Jodhpur), and the Tomaras who had founded Delhi (Dhillika) in 736 but had then been displaced by the Chauhans in the twelfth century."
2. Brajadulal Chattopadhyaya (2006). Studying Early India: Archaeology, Texts and Historical Issues. Anthem. p. 116. ISBN 978-1-84331-132-4. The period between the seventh and the twelfth century witnessed gradual rise of a number of new royal-lineages in Rajasthan, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh, which came to constitute a social-political category known as 'Rajput'. Some of the major lineages were the Pratiharas of Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and adjacent areas, the Guhilas and Chahamanas of Rajasthan, the Caulukyas or Solankis of Gujarat and Rajasthan and the Paramaras of Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan." 103.211.18.43 (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- This could be subject to WP:GSCASTE, so seek consensus before making an edit request. DreamRimmer (talk) 11:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Enough resources are attached above which testify that Chaulukya dynasty of Gujarat (also called Solanki dynasty) was a powerful Rajput kingdom from mid-10th to mid-13th century. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 05:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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- Kindly do the needful, all sources are mentioned above and in the reply below. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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- Enough resources are attached above which testify that Chaulukya dynasty of Gujarat (also called Solanki dynasty) was a powerful Rajput kingdom from mid-10th to mid-13th century. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: This assertion is not supported by the sources you provided. Please provide accurate and credible references. DreamRimmer (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- Kindly see the below news sources then:
- 1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/naikidevi-chandel-the-battle-of-kayara-and-the-sociomilitary-history-of-godwad/?source=app&frmapp=yes
- 2. https://www.news9live.com/knowledge/from-chauhan-to-guhila-check-list-of-some-of-the-major-rajput-dynasties-173603
- Books:
- 1. Rajput Clans of Gujarat: Mers, Solanki, Paramara, Vaghela, Rathore, Jadeja, Jethwa, Chapa Dynasty, Sodha, Chudasama, Garasia (https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Rajput_Clans_of_Gujarat.html?id=hxKOSQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y)
- 2. Rajput Er: Origin of Rajputs, Chandela, Solanki, Mihira Bhoja I, Ranthambore Fort, Dilwara Temples, Sun Temple, Modhera, Bappa Rawal (https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Rajput_Er.html?id=jfHDbwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y)
- Others:
- 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/Agnivansha --> the 4 Agnivanshli clans are mentioned as Pratihara, Chauhan, Parmara and Chaulukya (Solanki)
- Apart from that, references from standard history textbooks with corresponding lines have already been mentioned in my previous reply. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: I have seen your request and will respond as soon as I have time. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 01:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- I found certain books in which the Chalukya dynasty is referred to as a Rajput dynasty.
- Comment: I have seen your request and will respond as soon as I have time. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 01:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
References
- Boswell, John Alexander Corrie (1873). A Manual of the Nellore District in the Presidency of Madras. Government Press.
- Tod, James (1920). Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan: Or The Central and Western Rajput States of India. H. Milford, Oxford University Press.
𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 07:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Already done Mularaja II 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 08:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done Mularaja, Bhima I, Karna (Chaulukya dynasty), Jayasimha Siddharaja, Kumarapala (Chaulukya dynasty), Ajayapala (Chaulukya dynasty) and Bhima II 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 08:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kindly add Khudadad Khan, the first British Raj subject to earn the Victoria Cross, after members of the British Indian Army became eligible for the Victoria Cross in 1911, replacing the Indian Order of Merit first class.
Reference:
1. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/paving-stone-laid-for-pakistani-born-first-world-war-hero
2. https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/598326 Misplaced Pages mirror --Xan747
3. https://www.royal-prince.co.uk/home/explore/royal-rajput-collection/Does not support requested edit -- Xan747
4. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/victoria-cross.html?chrome=1 103.211.18.77 (talk) 03:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Done I struck two of your citations as noted above. I left out mention of the Indian Order of Merit as not relevant. Xan747 (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kindly remove Chander Kumar from the list. The given reference does not mention him belonging to Rajput community but from OBC. Kindly check the given reference once, the mention of Rajput caste is for other leaders. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 11:56, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: 1. The article title and lede says all entries are Rajputs. 2. According to Other Backward Class, Rajput is an OBC. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Kindly refer to this line in start of the article: Four of the seven ministers hail from the Rajput community, while one each is from Schedule Tribe (ST), Other Backward Caste (OBC), and Schedule Caste (SC).
- Therefore, Chander Kumar is not OBC and Rajput at the same time, he is an OBC leader as given in the article.
- Also, according to Other Backward Class, Rajputs come under OBC only from Karnataka while the person being discussed is from Uttarakhand. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 07:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Agree that given source did not support inclusion in the list and removed him accordingly. Xan747 (talk) 23:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Correction for Jitendra Singh
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The politician Jitendra Singh's link has been mistakenly directed to the politician Jitendra_Singh_(politician,_born_1971) whose name has already beem mentioned, making twice reference to same name. Kindly correct it. Also
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.
It is very frustrating that you don't specify exactly the changes you want made. You will get faster responses if you use the following format to request edits. Editors will be very thankful if you write the modifications as WP:Wikitext so that it can be pasted straight into the article.
FROM: Jitendra Singh (politician, born 1971), Bharatiya Janata Party politician from Jammu and Kashmir, member of the Jammu and Kashmir Royal Family.
TO:
FROM: Jitendra Singh (politician, born 1971), Indian National Congress politician from Rajasthan, member of the Alwar Royal Family.
TO:
Thanks, Xan747 (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
References
- "Lok Sabha polls: Battle royale between Rajputs in Jammu's Udhampur as Vikramaditya Singh takes on Jitendra Singh". First Post. 16 April 2019.
- "Gujarat RS poll: 'You are a Rajput', says Digvijaya Singh to Shankersinh Vaghela". The Times of India. 8 August 2017.
- "About Raghogarh". www.digvijayasingh.in.
- FROM: Jitendra Singh (politician, born 1971), Bharatiya Janata Party politician from Jammu and Kashmir, member of the Jammu and Kashmir Royal Family.
- TO: Jitendra Singh (politician, born 1956), Bharatiya Janata Party politician from Jammu and Kashmir and minister in Narendra Modi government. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 07:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
References
Done
Please note that creating citations containing only a URL as you did is strongly discouraged. This is because a proper citation gives the reader more information, and if the URL goes dead, gives editors a better chance of locating the reference elsewhere.
You can read about the various citation templates at Misplaced Pages:Citation templates. However, creating citations manually can be tedious, and various tools exist to make the process easier. My favorite is to use Misplaced Pages:VisualEditor--it contains a wizard that creates proper citations from pasting a URL, though often some manual editing is required.
Annoyingly it doesn't work on talk pages. For that, if you're in edit source mode, click on the Cite dropdown, and select Templates. It will give you a form to fill out manually, which I still find easier to use than manually editing a template. Xan747 (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Help with edit requests
Pinging @Fylindfotberserk, @No2WesternImperialism, @Abhishek0831996. As you are some of the top editors on this page and have recent editing activity here and other pages, I'm ask you for help with numerous edit requests that the community hasn't been able to resolve in a timely manner. Thank-you for any assistance you can provide. Xan747 (talk) 16:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ok! No2WesternImperialism (talk) 19:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- Many thanks. Xan747 (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Xan747, Done! 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 08:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Sweet! Xan747 (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Xan747, Done! 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 08:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Many thanks. Xan747 (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@User:No2WesternImperialism: Would you please dispose the existing edit requests? MahabaliKhali (talk) 13:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- @User:Xan747: Please help with pending edit requests. MahabaliKhali (talk) 11:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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Change:
Authors, biographers, educationalists, and writersTo:
Science, Environment, Education, Authors- Abdus Salam, a Pakistani theoretical physicist and a Nobel Prize laureate. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 09:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
References
- Salam, Ahmad (2021-11-14). "Professor Abdus Salam - KBE FRS". Retrieved 2023-07-20.
- Done A very properly done edit request, thank you! I changed the section heading to "Authors, academics, scientists" because I feel that covers educationalists as well. Everything else done exactly as you prescribed. Xan747 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add under Pakistani politicians and lawyers :
- Humza Yousaf, the First Minister of Scotland and Leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP) since March 2023. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 07:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add under Historical Figures :
- Panna Dai, 16th-century nursemaid to Udai Singh II who sacrificed her own son's life to save him. Kshatriya Yoddha (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Pakistan Armed Forces
7 out of 11 Nishan E Haidar recipients (Pakistan military's highest award) are Rajput (sub-caste like Janjua, Bhatti, Minhas, Rana) and Pakistan's most loved Army Chief - General Raheel Sharif (brother of a great Rajput martyr of the 1971 war) is also a Rajput 182.179.128.111 (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add "Pratap Singh Khachariyawas, a politician from Rajasthan" to the "Politicians of postcolonial India" section citing this source.
References
- "'Witty, a thorough gentleman,' Pakistan relatives recall moments with Scotland's 1st Muslim leader". MiddleEastMonitor. MEMO. 30 March 2023. Archived from the original on 18 April 2023. Retrieved 30 March 2023.
- Hooja, R. (2006). A History of Rajasthan. Rupa & Company. p. 461. ISBN 978-81-291-0890-6. Retrieved 2022-06-16.
- "हटाए जाने की चर्चाओं पर परिवहन मंत्री तल्ख:खाचरियावास ने कहा- प्यार से कोई मेरी गर्दन भी ले सकता है, जबरन कुछ नहीं; रोड पर रहा हूं, रोड का आदमी हूं". Dainik Bhaskar (in Hindi). 2021.
103.48.197.179 (talk) 07:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Done Article is locked, but I was able to check it. Self-identification present hence passed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add Ramanuj Pratap Singh Deo to the "shooting and hunting" section.
References
- Dilip Patel (20 September 2022). "Will the Kuno Cheetah can die like Gujarat?". All Gujarat News.
- Report on the Administration of the Feudatory States of the Central Provinces. 1922.
MahabaliKhali (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ User:Fylindfotberserk, thanks for your contributions to this page. Please look at this one too. MahabaliKhali (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Though you've created this article, I'm not sure about this person's notability. He seems to be only notable (got wide coverage) for being the killer of the last Cheetahs in India. That is, a case of WP:SINGLEEVENT. Pinging other for opinion @Sitush, Fowler&fowler, and Admantine123: - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- You are right, it needs to be merged in any other related page, which is about killing of last Cheetah in India. I would like to vote for its merger, if it is nominated at Afd.-Admantine123 (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- True to some extent. But so is Nathuram Godse who would be included in a putative List of Chitapavans. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- What this gentleman did to the world of Asiatic cheetahs on the subcontinent, with their fabled history, was as cataclysmic as Gandhi’s murder by Godse was to Indian nationalism. My general concern is that these lists of castes have become means of glorifying the respective caste, and don’t like to include those that bring the caste down a notch or two or three or four. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- He is notable enough. He was the last ruler of a princely state and ruled for around 25 years. He was a well-known hunter. Not only cheetahs, he is believed to have killed 1710 tigers in the central part of India.
- Though you've created this article, I'm not sure about this person's notability. He seems to be only notable (got wide coverage) for being the killer of the last Cheetahs in India. That is, a case of WP:SINGLEEVENT. Pinging other for opinion @Sitush, Fowler&fowler, and Admantine123: - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
References
- "India's natural history comes alive at Victoria". The Telegraph. 27 April 2017.
@User:Fylindfotberserk, would you please dispose this edit request and other pending requests? MahabaliKhali (talk) 18:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove the tag "need quotation to verify" from Sher Singh Rana's entry. In the youtube video citation, he clearly says at 02:00 about his Rajput credentials. MahabaliKhali (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add Humza Yousaf to the section "Pakistani politicians and lawyers" and use his tweet as citation. MahabaliKhali (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove the "page needed" tag from the entry of Chaudhry Ghulam Abbas. Page No 217 of the cited pdf clearly says that he was born in a Rajput family. MahabaliKhali (talk) 11:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please search the entry of Vijai Singh Shekhawat in "Indian armed forces" section. The source cited with the entry is good enough. Please remove the "better source needed" tag from this entry. MahabaliKhali (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove the entries of Benazir Bhutto and Shah Nawaz Bhutto from "Pakistani politicians and lawyers" section. The cited sources do not say that they are Rajputs. MahabaliKhali (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- See this. Ameen Akbar (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
- Deactivating edit request as it's been pending for more than a month and hence it's clear none of the people patrolling this queue are willing to implement it. If some talk pages watcher wants to do so, feel free. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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Please remove Madhav Singh Solanki from "Politicians of postcolonial India" section. The India Today article which has been used as source is misleading. More recent sources like 1, 2 reveal that he belonged to the Koli caste instead. MahabaliKhali (talk) 18:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Kundan A Singh (talk) 17:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Please add sport figure hockey player kd singh babu
- Not done. We need a source that he was a Rajput. MahabaliKhali (talk) 05:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
What about Ravana Rajputs?
@Fylindfotberserk can this list include other Ravana Rajputs? I can see Anand Pal Singh's name. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 16:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Abhishek0831996: Always wondered about that. It was added here by Ratnahastin, lets ping them. The article used as a source mentions some sort of solidarity and appropriation of his "legacy" by the Rajputs. Excerpts -
The Rajputs also saw in him an answer to the Jat gangsters whose reign Anandpal ended. Jats resent Rajputs for the latter’s historical domination in a region where the Jats are the numerical majority.
His death also sparked a rush to appropriate his legacy with Rajput bodies, who had earlier kept a distance from Anandpal, coming out in solidarity.
- - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin
- @No2WesternImperialism
- Give your opinions. Should this list include famous Ravana Rajputs? Abhishek0831996 (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging @Admantine123, LukeEmily, Sitush, Chariotrider555, and Fowler&fowler: for inputs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ravana Rajputs are not considered as Rajputs by Rajput community itself. They are also included in Other Backward Class and i think this case is similar to Lodhi Rajputs. They are not Rajputs, but call themselves Rajputs. Admantine123 (talk) 13:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Admantine123 A classic example of why all of these lists should be binned - anyone can claim, or be claimed, to be anything. - Sitush (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- You are right. Next time if there is a proposal like that, I will favour commenting in support of that Admantine123 (talk) 16:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Admantine123 A classic example of why all of these lists should be binned - anyone can claim, or be claimed, to be anything. - Sitush (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk, @LukeEmily, @Sitush, @Chariotrider555, @Admantine123, @Fowler&fowler
- I'm adding the names of father & son, Thakur Hari Singh Shekhawat and Dalpat Singh (soldier) respectively. These people are well respected and owned by the Rajput community therefore I see no problem. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 00:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ravana Rajputs are not considered as Rajputs by Rajput community itself. They are also included in Other Backward Class and i think this case is similar to Lodhi Rajputs. They are not Rajputs, but call themselves Rajputs. Admantine123 (talk) 13:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Why not? The Rajputs, themselves, were once warrior groups outside the caste system that came to the aid of established rulers and thereby underwent caste upliftment in the late 1st millennium CE and early second millennium CE. Why is it the fault of the Ravana Rajputs (and in particular this so-called "gangster") that they appeared too late in the history of India's bogus notions of stratification and ritual purity? Either AfD the List of Rajputs altogether, or add the Ravana Rajputs.
- PS I don't know if they trace their heritage to King Ravana, but he was a pundit, so Ravana Rajputs, by the laws of Mendelian genetics, would have a heritage that is both Brahmin and Kshatriya. They should therefore be placed at the very top of the List of Rajputs, standing at step 3 1/2 in the caste ladder, just 1/2 a rung below the priests.
- PS2 I'm not sure what Sitush means by "binned," but if it implies "banned," in addition, I'm all for it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler binned = deleted (and deprecated for the future). - Sitush (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- The word Ravana was used to signal half Rakshasa blood just like Ravan had on his mother's side. I doubt this has anything to do with Brahmins. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 01:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Fowler&fowler, the Ravana Rajputs has actually no connection with demon king Ravana. They were the illegitimate children of Rajput rulers with their slave women or their maids. So, from mother side, they were born to some non-Rajput women, who were considered inferior in caste ranking. This is why Rajput community didn't recognise them as a part of their own caste. Admantine123 (talk) 07:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keeping in mind that the Rajput community themselves descended from outcaste warrior communities which became powerful enough for the then upper castes to require their help. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- The case of Anandpal Singh is different from the trend observed in Indian society. Infact, nowadays, we are witnessing reverse of what we call as Sanskritisation. Rajputs later started supporting Anandpal as he became a dreaded gangster and emerged as a challenger to a Jat gangster, the social group, whom they consider as their rival. Hence, Rajputs of Rajasthan organised caste panchayats and meetings to support Anandpal Singh. It is believed that Singh was assassinated at the behest of then Rajasthan Home minister, who was also from Jat community. I read this years ago, so can't recall names of other characters. We need to keep a tab on the caste and surname articles as nowadays the Rajput community is claiming almost every surname to be their own, right from Yadav to Saini. There are number of websites made by caste groups to present pseudo historical facts as real history. Admantine123 (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keeping in mind that the Rajput community themselves descended from outcaste warrior communities which became powerful enough for the then upper castes to require their help. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging @Admantine123, LukeEmily, Sitush, Chariotrider555, and Fowler&fowler: for inputs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)