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== Splitting Baltimore Orioles into its own article (while keeping some information for background) == |
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I want to preface my own personal disagreement with this, but per this very article, MLB, Baseball-Reference, and several other credible baseball sources, the 1901 Baltimore Orioles are not considered to be the same franchise as the 1903-present New York Yankees. The Orioles should have their own dedicated page located at the current redirect page here: ]. I'd personally split it myself, but I'm avoiding ] since IMO, the scale of this move is maybe too big (even if the destination article itself may be small). |
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I figure some discussion should occur before anything is done.]<sup>], ], ]</sup> 20:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Spesh, as someone who was the primary contributor for the Yankees history FA who could have to edit part of that article depending on how this goes, I'd like to kindly suggest that you bring this topic up at the ]. You're much more likely to get commentary quickly by mentioning it there than just having a split request here, and you'll also expose the topic to wider attention. I don't know if the project has a consensus on this issue, but if so that's the best way to find out, and to seek a change to the consensus. ] (]) 01:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:I'm in favor of a split, being that I was the one who finally bit the bullet and reworked the article to reflect the position of the official historian of MLB and the team itself. Previous comments in the archives against such a split were based on incomplete understanding of the situation. {{u|LuK3}}, one of the most frequent contributors to this article in recent history, and I in ] tossed around the idea of a split, but neither of us have followed through. It's definitely time. The teams are officially separate, they should have a separate article. I'd just note that there's really nothing to take out of this article, though, as it's already a pretty minimal coverage of the background. ] (]) 16:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:: I just posted a pointer to this page's discussion at ] ] (]) 19:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:I can't remember where, but an RFC was held on these matters (franchise relocations), about a year or more ago. ] (]) 19:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::That's the thing though, it's not a relocation. The 1901–02 Orioles failed midseason when the manager/part-owner bolted to the New York Giants, taking a bunch of players with him. The franchise was taken over by the league to pay out the string with layers loaned from other teams, and then folded and outright replaced with a new team in New York before the following season. It's not the same franchise, per the official historian of MLB. |
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::Anyway, the major topic of the discussion referred to was what to name sub-articles about the historic periods of relocated franchises, ie, ] vs ]. The latter had been in use, but the discussion came to the conclusion that shorter is better. So, taking that into account, a separate article for ] would be in line with that consensus. ] (]) 21:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Narrowly with regards to the article title, if this were to move forward, it should utilize four-digit years: ]. ] (]) 05:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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I've done the work myself! Find the page here: ]. I feel as the page could use some improvement. I combined any information I could find on the New York Yankees and history of New York Yankees articles, added a little information that was not already stated, and made the legacy section focus on baseball in Baltimore in general, and less so about the Yankees after their move in 1903. Finding information on this team outside of "the team had their biggest victory, scoring 11 runs etc." was a bit difficult, and it seems the Yankees pages already covered 90-95% of information that was usable. Maybe the Yankees pages should discuss the Baltimore Orioles (1901–1902) more generally, since current historiography around the relationship of the two teams point to them being different, and not a continuation (like the St. Louis Browns and modern Baltimore Orioles are.) ]<sup>], ], ]</sup> 06:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! I like it. ] (]) 07:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023 == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023 == |
who played part of 1913 season with them. That was the first year they were known as the Yankees. McKechnie was elected to the HOF as a manager, his primary team being the Cincinnati Reds.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 22:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)