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	:As our article makes entirely clear, 'Blackness' is ultimately a social construct. What constitutes 'looking black' (or 'looking white') varies from place to place, and time to time. It is routinely contested. Attempts to divide humanity with its complex patterns of diversity into simplistic binary categories are rooted in the realms of politics, not science. And to be more specific with regards to your question, there have been contexts where having any 'black people in your bloodline' made you 'black' in the eyes of (white) social norms, regardless of appearance, and regardless of any own personal identification: see the so-called ] in the United States. 'Appearance' is but a small part of what society constructs its arbitrary racial categories from. ] (]) 13:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)		:As our article makes entirely clear, 'Blackness' is ultimately a social construct. What constitutes 'looking black' (or 'looking white') varies from place to place, and time to time. It is routinely contested. Attempts to divide humanity with its complex patterns of diversity into simplistic binary categories are rooted in the realms of politics, not science. And to be more specific with regards to your question, there have been contexts where having any 'black people in your bloodline' made you 'black' in the eyes of (white) social norms, regardless of appearance, and regardless of any own personal identification: see the so-called ] in the United States. 'Appearance' is but a small part of what society constructs its arbitrary racial categories from. ] (]) 13:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
	::definitely for colour blind people to think someone is black or white ] (]) 10:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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Find and add citations to reliable sources.
Remove unverifiable material and original research.
Show a multi dimensional view of Black people across the world, not merely an American perspective.
Remove "undue weight" per WP:CSB and WP:NPOV.
Give more information on the diversity of peoples within African, e.g. Khoisan, Bantu, Pygmy, etc.
Remove the comment about underestimation of strength of Black men - out of context and contributes to racist stereotypes

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Definition of 'black'

As far as I'm aware, most of the Indigenous people of Oceania are not considered 'black' and even aboriginals are generally considered to be genetically and socially distinct. Shouldn't the article reflect this rather than sticking them under one term? Schwarbage (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It's one term, but it has many different meanings and many different connotations, depending on who uses it, when they use it, and in what connotation. It certainly is used in Australia (sometimes currently spelt blak), more often by Aboriginal people to describe themselves or their fellows. It is often deliberately politically loaded today. The issue with Melanesia is well described in the article. That name literally means Island of black people, which is hard to ignore. But you're correct in saying that the term is rarely used today to describe people from there. I think the article does a reasonable good job with an inherently fraught term. Individual sections can always be improved though. HiLo48 (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Nazi Germany

@White American 2023 and Fajita Biscuit: You added information about Black people in Germany, which I removed for the following reasons: The history of anti-Black racism in Germany is not limited to Nazi period; Black people have a longer and richer history in Germany than just being victims of the Nazis or other racist people; Jews and Roma were persecuted on a different level, i.e. they were systematically murdered. Some Black people were murdered by the Nazis, some were sterilized, some (like Hans Massaquoi) were able to live a kind of "normal" life. Not everything that is sourced should be included here, see WP:ONUS. Rsk6400 (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Black, White Or Both

This may sound stupid but I have crossed countless people who have called themselves black althought they physically look white. So that made me ask: Can a person who looks white but has black people in their bloodline be labeled “black?” 80.200.150.84 (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

As our article makes entirely clear, 'Blackness' is ultimately a social construct. What constitutes 'looking black' (or 'looking white') varies from place to place, and time to time. It is routinely contested. Attempts to divide humanity with its complex patterns of diversity into simplistic binary categories are rooted in the realms of politics, not science. And to be more specific with regards to your question, there have been contexts where having any 'black people in your bloodline' made you 'black' in the eyes of (white) social norms, regardless of appearance, and regardless of any own personal identification: see the so-called one-drop rule in the United States. 'Appearance' is but a small part of what society constructs its arbitrary racial categories from. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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