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| "During Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukrainan Intelligence published an order by the Minister of Defence, which orders evaluation of potential use of Yunarmiya members during SMO after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces." ] (]) 05:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC) | "During Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukrainan Intelligence published an order by the Minister of Defence, which orders evaluation of potential use of Yunarmiya members during SMO after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces." ] (]) 05:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
| :The second option is more accurate. The order says clearly that what needs to be evaluated is their involvement in the "special military operation" '''after''' they are drafted ("после их призыва на военную службу в ходе весеннего и летнего призывов 2022 года"). So the point is that it applies to the guys who were 17 at the time this order is published but who would be 18 and thus eligible for the summer draft. Draftees are not supposed to be sent to the war in Ukraine, so the order (if it's real) is about making an exception for draftees belonging to Young Army Cadets National Movement. | |||
| :This order was purportedly made in February 2022 and published on the GUR's facebook page in March 2022. More than a year has passed since then and if this actually happened, we would know it from reliable sources. If all we have is a facebook post and an article in Hromadske from early 2022, I would re-word it | |||
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Could someone here look at the source https://hromadske.ua/posts/putin-gotuyetsya-zaluchiti-do-vijni-proti-ukrayini-nepovnolitnih-rozvidka now used in Young Army Cadets National Movement about which text better reflects the source?
"Nevertheless, 6 years later, during Russian invasion of Ukraine, the same Minister of Defense commissioned reports on the possibility of recruiting 17-year old Yunarmy youth for the war effort." (The minister in question being Sergei Shoigu.)
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"During Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukrainan Intelligence published an order by the Minister of Defence, which orders evaluation of potential use of Yunarmiya members during SMO after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces." Sjö (talk) 05:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- The second option is more accurate. The order says clearly that what needs to be evaluated is their involvement in the "special military operation" after they are drafted ("после их призыва на военную службу в ходе весеннего и летнего призывов 2022 года"). So the point is that it applies to the guys who were 17 at the time this order is published but who would be 18 and thus eligible for the summer draft. Draftees are not supposed to be sent to the war in Ukraine, so the order (if it's real) is about making an exception for draftees belonging to Young Army Cadets National Movement.
- This order was purportedly made in February 2022 and published on the GUR's facebook page in March 2022. More than a year has passed since then and if this actually happened, we would know it from reliable sources. If all we have is a facebook post and an article in Hromadske from early 2022, I would re-word it
| “ | According to Ukrainian military intelligence, in February 2022, the Russian Defence Minister ordered an assessment of the potential use of Yunarmiya members in the war in Ukraine after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces. | ” |
Alaexis¿question? 08:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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