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Section sizes Section size for History of climate change policy and politics (14 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 2,865 2,865 History of climate change mitigation policies 200 200 History of activism 64 64 Development of political concern 2,176 6,010 Partisan division 3,834 3,834 Development of international policy 4,670 4,670 History of climate change adaptation policies 99 99 History of climate change denial 79 17,905 Political pressure on scientists in the United States 63 17,718 Actions under the Bush Administration around 2007 7,353 7,353 Politically motivated investigations into historic temperature reconstructions 10,302 10,302 Climatic Research Unit email controversy (2009) 108 108 See also 122 122 References 209 209 Total 32,144 32,144

Merge Global warming controversy into here?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was no consensus. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I propose merging Global warming controversy into here in the hope that future editors will be more likely to slim it down. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Support. There is no reason for a "...controversy" article since we have a Climate change denial article. The "controversy" is an illusion manufactured by denialists. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Support Definitely too many pages here. The "denial" page might be a better page to merge this content into? {{u|Gtoffoletto}}   22:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Mild support and thank you for starting this! The merger won't be easy. Bits of it might be mergeable to History of climate change policy and politics and bits to Climate change denial and bits to somewhere else (politics of climate change?) but a load of it is probably in need of deletion anyhow. The article is 63 kB large and most of it was written in 2007. Most likely hopelessly out of date. Mind you the pageviews are quite high, around 300 currently. And I see there is some content there that provides a good balance. I haven't reviewed it in depth. But I know we have too many similar, overlapping climate change articles... EMsmile (talk) 18:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

P.S. after having looked at it a bit more, I still support some merging activities but not necessarily to merge Global warming controversy into here. I don't think we should frame it (the controversy/denial activities) as just a historical issue. A better merge could be with climate change denial. EMsmile (talk) 11:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree, movie parts of this to those two and merge to one of them. Newystats (talk) 21:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Newystats Err - so do you support or oppose my proposal? After this discussion is closed I will be happy to hear your proposal. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@EMsmile If this merge is agreed I have no objection to you moving as much as you like from this article to climate change denial. If this merge is not agreed I expect a subsequent proposal by you to merge global warming controversy into climate change denial would succeed. I know these binary merge discussions can be a bit limiting, but on the other hand for very free-ranging discussions like the ones about climate apocalypse we likely have to wait for ages for a non-involved editor to close the discussion. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• There is also this article: Climate change conspiracy theory, another candidate for merging? EMsmile (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose If you want to encourage others to slim down the controversy article, the collegial thing to do is request that on the appropriate talk. WP:RSs contain abundant material on History of CC politics that could be added to this article. Id already started updating a few months back and was thinking of doing a through job of making this article reflect the best available WP:RS like I did with the main Politics of CC article back in 2021. That sort of undertaking takes hundreds of hours of research - can't see why anyone would make that sort of effort if the article's value to readers is going to be reduced by such sub optimal merges. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Problems with this article

This article is actually quite new and was mainly written by User:Jbeutum. It contains a lot of content that is not specific to the "history of climate change policy and politics", like the section on "controversies". I am not sure if we really need this article or what its scope should be. When does the "history" start and end? It would need to integrate better with Politics of climate change. EMsmile (talk) 10:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I have found it too difficult to delete sourced articles I think we don't need such as List of countries by coal reserves (aha I just thought as a German speaker perhaps you can see how BGR figure out the economics of coal reserves). Rather than starting Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Peak copper I probably should have just renamed it to Copper production or Copper supply and rewrote it as maybe no-one would have cared about that.

Although it can be tedious you might have more success just gradually deleting or moving the duplicate or out of scope stuff. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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