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	Something is absolutely wrong with the US numbers. How can musicians sold 250 million records in the us and then 1,5 million un Japan or 15 million		Something is absolutely wrong with the US numbers. How can musicians sold 250 million records in the us and then 1,5 million un Japan or 15 million
	in UK. The method to analyze the records sold in the us seems pretty flawed. Statistically, it doesn’t make sens. ] (]) 21:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)		in UK. The method to analyze the records sold in the us seems pretty flawed. Statistically, it doesn’t make sens. ] (]) 21:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

			== Depeche Mode - 98 million ==

			Hey! Here a study about Depeche Mode’s sales during their hole career. Should be added - https://chartmasters.org/depeche-mode-albums-and-songs-sales/?fbclid=IwAR3XGo0i3dm2v3tlqwn0tiVMSWfiTcW35U7enGOOgb2HIY8-31norU6amjg_aem_ASJgpwXEk10RL5Ffnqu8v0w5V51x09gF3oR2GLon5rcFHKbbuN3SrOVTRNLd_9rpzjc ] (]) 16:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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It is essential to provide reliable sources when editing this article. For examples, see the references section. Unsourced or unreliably sourced additions will be removed immediately.

The list is frequently edited in good faith to update the certified sales figures; however, claimed sales figures need to be supported by reliable sources, preferably from news organizations.

Artists with claimed sales figures below 75 million may not be added to the list.

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Below you can get an understanding as to when certifications for songs are added to the total certified sales of the listed artists.

One lead artist and one featured artist. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both, the lead artist and the featured artist as both will have almost equal amount of part).
Two lead artists. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both lead artists as both will have almost equal amount of part).
Two lead artists and one featured artist. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of both lead artists as well as the featured artist. Both lead artists will play a significant part in a song and the part of the featured artist also should be significant enough).
One lead artist and two featured artists. (The issued certification(s) should be added to the total of the lead artist and to the total of both featured artists as almost all should have equal amount of part).

The year next to markets below indicates how far back the certification systems go in each country. The percentages stand for the global market share based on a 2007 IFPI report.

USA: RIAA (1958) (31.6%)
Japan: RIAJ (Physical certifications since (1989)(16.5%)
UK: BPI (1973) (10.6%)
Germany: BVMI (1975) (8.4%)
France: SNEP, Infodisc (albums), Infodisc (singles) (1973) (5.8%)
Australia: ARIA (1990) (2.23%)
Canada: Music Canada (1975) (2.22)
Italy: FIMI (2009) (1.95%)
The Netherlands: NVPI (1978) (1.52%)
Spain: PROMUSICAE (1979) (1.48%)
Austria: IFPI (1990) (1.10%)
Mexico: AMPROFON (1999) (1.08%)
Brazil: PMB (1990) (0.97%)
Belgium: Ultratop (1995) (0.91%)
Norway: (Archived certification-database) (1993) (0.86%)
Switzerland: Schweizer Hitparade (1989) (0.84%)
Sweden: IFPI (Archived certification-database), Sverige Topplistan (Chart-database) (1987) (0.81%)
Denmark: Hitlisten (Chart-database), IFPI Denmark (2001) (0.67%)
Ireland: IRMA (2005) (0.52%)
Poland: ZPAV (1995) (0.51%)
Finland: IFPI (1971) (0.49%)
Argentina: Capif (1980) (0.48%)
New Zealand: Recorded Music NZ (1978) (0.37%)

Madonna, 400 million?

https://people.com/madonna-is-still-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-8382770 Copy Editor (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

According to Guinnes Record Madonna has sold 400Million Records worldwide. Jjavier1978 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist Jjavier1978 (talk) 20:30, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Madonna should be at 400 million with the new Guinness — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fstar042346 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Guinness is saying that Madonna "claimed that she had sold over 400 million records", not that she actually sold that much. We have much better sources citing confirmed sales plus industry-standard estimates to fill in the gaps for countries that don't report units. In this case Guinness is not reliable. See WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. The 300 million number stands. Binksternet (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Binksternet Would the same apply to Julio Iglesias as well just to confirm? Not arguing of course, just want to make sure. Erick (talk) 20:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Right. The award given by Guinness to Iglesias is not as reliable as certified sales figures plus industry-standard estimates. Binksternet (talk) 20:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Guy Lombardo?

I don't know much about this topic but maybe Guy Lombardo should be mentioned on this list? These two pages say he sold between 100 and 300 million records but I don't know what their sources are:

CalebBill (talk) 01:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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Change Lady Gaga figures from 124 Million to 170 million

Matheushpdutra (talk) 19:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Just to put in discussion:

There are some considerations the editors need to make:

- 170 million records sold represent Lady Gaga's so-called pure sales.

- First, because this goes against the claimed sales before streaming became standard in the music industry. In January 2016, Billboard reported that Gaga had already sold 27 million albums and 146 million singles, therefore 173 million records. Source: https://www.billboard.com/pro/lady-gaga-signs-caa/ Note that Billboard explicitly uses the term “sold” not “equivalent sales” or otherwise and that this information is 7 years old. According to the article's definitions: “Gold/Platinum certifications issued after 2016, especially on singles, are in some cases more than 50% streaming generated”. Well, we're using an earlier period.

- Second, because Lady Gaga's own team has already revealed the numbers of copies generated by streamings: 275 million in song consumption as stated in the author information section in the book “Channel Kindness: Stories of Kindness and Community” released by her in 2020 (numbers of this year). Source: https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Kindness-Stories-Community/dp/1250245583

- Third, because in a press release released last year for the Chromatica Ball Tour in London, it updated the numbers in 2022: 393 million in song consumption. Source: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2022/march/lady-gaga-announces-two-concert-dates-at-tottenham-hotspur-stadium/

- Fourth: Lady Gaga would have more than 75% of sales with certifications.

- Fifth : in fact Lady Gaga's claimed sales are even greater than 170 million, so this number is reasonable.

- Last: Other musicians figures are updated almost monthly, but no update was made for Gaga in years. Is there any explanation for this? By the way, her own Wiki page cites 170 Million Records. Matheushpdutra (talk) 19:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I support Lady Gaga's claim sales upgrade to 170 million as reasonable. TJ 23:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this correct?

For Rihanna, it says "Total certified units" = 361.8 million, and "Claimed sales" = 250 million or 230 million. Is this correct? I mean, how can claimed sales be actually less than certified sales? 2A00:23C8:7B09:FA01:AD2A:5B8D:55B7:93D6 (talk) 23:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Something is absolutely wrong with the US numbers. How can musicians sold 250 million records in the us and then 1,5 million un Japan or 15 million in UK. The method to analyze the records sold in the us seems pretty flawed. Statistically, it doesn’t make sens. 2806:102E:18:37AE:D003:C21E:7490:4DBC (talk) 21:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Depeche Mode - 98 million

Hey! Here a study about Depeche Mode’s sales during their hole career. Should be added - https://chartmasters.org/depeche-mode-albums-and-songs-sales/?fbclid=IwAR3XGo0i3dm2v3tlqwn0tiVMSWfiTcW35U7enGOOgb2HIY8-31norU6amjg_aem_ASJgpwXEk10RL5Ffnqu8v0w5V51x09gF3oR2GLon5rcFHKbbuN3SrOVTRNLd_9rpzjc 2A00:F41:1890:7AFA:BC26:9D75:CB78:650F (talk) 16:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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