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Seconding Deepfriedokra that this feels more like an ] request rather than an ARBCOM filing. The community can definitely still handle this. ―<span style="background:#368ec9;border:solid 2px;border-radius:5px"> ''''']''''' </span> 14:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Initiated by Crash48 (talk) at 13:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Proposed parties
- Crash48 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- Rsk6400 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- Talk:Ukrainian language#Little Russian language
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Third_opinion&diff=prev&oldid=1176410679
- Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 107#Talk:Ukrainian language#Little Russian language
Statement by Crash48
In September 2023, I added into Ukrainian language an outline of how and when the language ceased to be called Little Russian, and started to be called Ukrainian.
Rsk6400 reverted all mentions of Little Russian as the language's name, while allowing the mentions of Ukrainian to remain in the article. His stated reason for this was that "Little Russian is an imperialist name, intended to suppress Ukrainian identity". Abundant references such as https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ukrainian-language demonstrating that Little Russian used to be the language's primary name worldwide couldn't change Rsk6400's mind on including the name in the Misplaced Pages article.
In a discussion that followed, User:Mzajac formulated his and Rsk6400's attitude even more clearly: "Little Russian is currently a weapon wielded directly in a genocidal war by its main instigator. Whatever its historical status has been, is normalizing it and perpetuating colonial violence." This, and other statements of Mzajac at the article talk page, e.g. disallowing citations from "imperialist" authors, are such an outright statement of WP:RGW that I took this case to WP:NPOV/N. The only new participant from the noticeboard, User:Dege31, supported mentioning Little Russian in the article as the historic name of the language. Rsk6400 agreed to mentioning Little Russian as long as a "context" is added.
On Sep 22nd, Rsk6400 added a "context" to the article to his satisfaction. On Oct 29th, I pinged him asking whether there are still any objections against reinstating the references for the uses of the "colonial" name in notable 19th century works by notable Ukrainian authors, in Russian Empire as well as outside. Receiving no response in two weeks, I reinstated the references on Nov 13th, to be promptly reverted by Rsk6400 with a message saying "You have no consensus for that."
Rsk6400 refuses to elaborate on his remaining objections against citations using the historic name, and in particular, my question addressed to him on the article talk page, dated Oct 29th, remains unanswered to this day.
I request that Rsk6400's behaviour be reprimanded as POV-pushing, and the historical references using the Little Russian language name to be reinstated in the article.
Statement by Rsk6400
Statement by deepfriedokra
@Crash48: This probably needs to be hashed out at WP:ANI instead of here, and I note that this falls into Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe, where ArbCom has already adopted a special set of rules. Best -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC).
- This feels mostly like a content dispute, which needs WP:dispute resolution . -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Statement by GhostOfDanGurney
Seconding Deepfriedokra that this feels more like an ANI request rather than an ARBCOM filing. The community can definitely still handle this. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 14:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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