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| * 30 March 2004 The user mentioned, an anonymous user 80.3.32.9 deleted the whole talk page of the article , which I think nobody considers a "goof faith". I thought it was a sock puppet of Matthew Stannard, as it was created just then, and appeared together with Matthew Stannard, thou later I had some doubts about that. There is no common definition of trolling, but the trolling by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard I mentioned, is how I call this , ie an exercise of winding up a user, including the personal attacks both by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard. I don't remember saying exactly that, but I considered to submit a request for arbitration, talked about it, and said exactly that -- I shall submit a request for arbitration, if there will be no alternatives, so this was not a threat. | * 30 March 2004 The user mentioned, an anonymous user 80.3.32.9 deleted the whole talk page of the article , which I think nobody considers a "goof faith". I thought it was a sock puppet of Matthew Stannard, as it was created just then, and appeared together with Matthew Stannard, thou later I had some doubts about that. There is no common definition of trolling, but the trolling by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard I mentioned, is how I call this , ie an exercise of winding up a user, including the personal attacks both by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard. I don't remember saying exactly that, but I considered to submit a request for arbitration, talked about it, and said exactly that -- I shall submit a request for arbitration, if there will be no alternatives, so this was not a threat. | ||
| * I don't see that I deserve any punishment, or ugen64 is going to double punish me for edit war almost a year ago, when, as I said, I was a beginning user with not much edits, and measures against me (protecting the article) were already taken. I though consider it necessary to ban Paul Beardsell, because now already almost a year he did not want to settle the dispute, and his hostile behaviour didn't change even recently. This arbitration request by me was the last resort, no measures taken earlier, or in a civil way not responding to his attacks, didn't change Paul Beardsell's hostile behaviour. In Misplaced Pages I have almost only edited the Artificial consciousness article, and because of personal attacks, even this has been severely hindered. | * I don't see that I deserve any punishment, or ugen64 is going to double punish me for edit war almost a year ago, when, as I said, I was a beginning user with not much edits, and measures against me (protecting the article ) were already taken. I though consider it necessary to ban Paul Beardsell, because now already almost a year he did not want to settle the dispute, and his hostile behaviour didn't change even recently. This arbitration request by me was the last resort, no measures taken earlier, or in a civil way not responding to his attacks, didn't change Paul Beardsell's hostile behaviour. In Misplaced Pages I have almost only edited the Artificial consciousness article, and because of personal attacks, even this has been severely hindered. | ||
| ==Evidence presented by ]== | ==Evidence presented by ]== | ||
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Evidence presented by User:tkorrovi
- 18:14, 13 Mar 2004
- Content. Unexplained deletions on controversial article. Removed more than 60% of the article, replaced removed paragraphs with keywords, like "spatialization", "analog I", "analog Me", "excerption", "conciliation" and "narratization". Reverting this change resulted in series of extensive changes. .
- 21:07, 13 Mar 2004
- Possible use of sock puppet, later named User:Ataturk, now there is no such user .
- 00:42, 25 Apr 2004
- 12:05, 3 May 2004
- 23:53, 3 May 2004
- 11:35, 4 May 2004
- 15:05, 4 May 2004
- 00:27, 7 May 2004
- 13:51, 2 Dec 2004
- Ignorance of Misplaced Pages policy concerning the NPOV label. Putting NPOV label back without a comment or explanation, the label was removed after all requirements necessary for removing it, provided by the Misplaced Pages rules, were met, , diffs of the last necessary changes to comply with NPOV label removing requirement .
- 07:42, 8 Dec 2004
- 20:21, 8 Dec 2004
- 05:53, 11 Dec 2004
- 07:40, 28 Mar 2005
- Consensus. Didn't want to allow me to edit the article by reverting my changes (I made different changes every time), without agreeing to explain or discuss, writing an absurd edit summary "remove non-grammatical, non-sequiter addition by Tkorrovi which is UNFIXABLE" concerning the text which was exactly copied from a scientific paper, more explanation in my comment in the arbitration request, .
- 22:38, 28 Mar 2005
Questionnable or wrong edits by Paul Beardsell:
Paul Beardsell forced into the article the term "Strong AC", or "Genuine AC", never used by any scientist before. This caused problems on the whole structure of the article, to accommodate his view, as a compromise to have "NPOV". as he interpreted it.
Some of the underlying reasons of this "conflict" .
I submitted an arbitration request against Paul Beardsell . I didn't see any provided evidence in what I am accused before starting the case, why the case was made against me, in addition to Paul Beardsell?
Concerning the evidence by ugen64:
4 April 2005
- I did not argue so much about the headers or other miniscule issues, if Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard did not change the headers, and move the text within talk page so frequently, and emphasize the miniscule issues.
- The only thing I said, was "anonymous, please register", I don't understand how this can be interpreted as preventing the anons from editing, or "taking to own the articles".
- I inserted a sentence without sources, it is not said anywhere that all sentences in the articles, like logical conclusions, must have sources. But, after this sentence was disputed, I removed it at .
- 13 March 2004 I don't see it as trolling, that prediction is an aspect of consciousness was argued at , which is a peer-reviewed paper, as said earlier. What Paul Beardsell states, is something which I only heared Paul Beardsell to say, and it doesn't even seem to be a logical conclusion based on any source.
- 13 March 2004 This edit war started from Paul Beardsell removing most of the content of the article, I mentioned earlier. I was a new Misplaced Pages user then, with not much edits, and therefore I had not much experience to deal with such conflicts correctly. But in the end, the article was protected in a version favourable for Paul Beardsell, by ugen64.
- Sorry, couldn't find that from the history, the history is only 500 changes deep, and the earlier conversation is not there. Don't remember saying that, but this is also not an attack against any person in particular.
- 30 March 2004 This was one of the series of major changes, which followed removing the content by Paul Beardsell. I would not describe it as a "wholesale revert", rather ugen64 added a lot of content, which I partly replaced with almost the same amount of content, these both were major changes.
- 30 March 2004 The user mentioned, an anonymous user 80.3.32.9 deleted the whole talk page of the article , which I think nobody considers a "goof faith". I thought it was a sock puppet of Matthew Stannard, as it was created just then, and appeared together with Matthew Stannard, thou later I had some doubts about that. There is no common definition of trolling, but the trolling by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard I mentioned, is how I call this , ie an exercise of winding up a user, including the personal attacks both by Paul Beardsell and Matthew Stannard. I don't remember saying exactly that, but I considered to submit a request for arbitration, talked about it, and said exactly that -- I shall submit a request for arbitration, if there will be no alternatives, so this was not a threat.
- I don't see that I deserve any punishment, or ugen64 is going to double punish me for edit war almost a year ago, when, as I said, I was a beginning user with not much edits, and measures against me (protecting the article ) were already taken. I though consider it necessary to ban Paul Beardsell, because now already almost a year he did not want to settle the dispute, and his hostile behaviour didn't change even recently. This arbitration request by me was the last resort, no measures taken earlier, or in a civil way not responding to his attacks, didn't change Paul Beardsell's hostile behaviour. In Misplaced Pages I have almost only edited the Artificial consciousness article, and because of personal attacks, even this has been severely hindered.
Evidence presented by ugen64
4 April 2005
- Firstly, in general, tkorrovi has been acting childish, disputing miniscule issues (in Talk:Artificial consciousness/Archive 3, for example, he spent a long time arguing about where to place comment headers on the talk page; in the current talk page, he spent a time arguing about the usage of "what and that", "what and which", typos, and so on). For some specific evidence:
- Generally:
- tkorrovi has taken to owning articles: he's prevented anons from editing such as this edit summary; this has subsided recently (past four or five months)
- he has refused to cite sources for dubious claims , but then has accused others of NPOV violations (this is evident by looking at the history and talk page).
- 13 March 2004
- 13 March 2004
- 16 March 2004
- "But now I'm back to deal with possible further trolling." (the aforementioned third archive)
- 30 March 2004
- 8 December 2004
- Personal attacks: "'Then nothing happened until last month when another user tried in good faith to make this article worthwhile.' This was you sock-puppet, stop trolling." "This article was trolled by you and Paul Beardsell, or stop talking about it, otherwise we must go on with arbitration, which was already almost agreed on my request."
- I believe tkorrovi has mentioned every possible piece of evidence I could find against Paul, so I won't bother with that. In short, both users should be punished, but not drastically - their behavior has subsided in recent months.
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