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::Hi {{ping|Ericm2031}} I originally commented on Jake's talk page, but I will move my comment here:<p>{{block indent|Hi Jake, in one of my previous edit summaries I wrote, "Removed the tables per the consensus ]. There is a lack of independent, secondary sources supporting the lists, and they go against ] and ]. I included a summary of the airport's air service instead." ] (]) 18:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)}}</p><p> I also previously discussed my edit with VenFlyer98 ]. ] (]) 19:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)</p> ::Hi {{ping|Ericm2031}} I originally commented on Jake's talk page, but I will move my comment here:<p>{{block indent|Hi Jake, in one of my previous edit summaries I wrote, "Removed the tables per the consensus ]. There is a lack of independent, secondary sources supporting the lists, and they go against ] and ]. I included a summary of the airport's air service instead." ] (]) 18:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)}}</p><p> I also previously discussed my edit with VenFlyer98 ]. ] (]) 19:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)</p>
::For ease of reference, I will also explain here why I believe the table goes against the consensus from that Request for Comment (RFC). Every reference in the table is a ]: a timetable, ], or a press release. ] are unavailable for most of the routes, like the ordinary flights from Las Vegas to hub cities. That means we're giving them ]. The consensus also mentions how tables without independent secondary sourcing go against certain parts of ]. We're not supposed to maintain a ] of the airport's current destinations or function as a ] that keeps track of every change to the list. Now, I definitely believe we should talk about the airport's current operations in the article. That's why I replaced the table with a summary of key details, like which airlines are based at the airport and what the top destinations are. ] (]) 03:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC) ::For ease of reference, I will also explain here why I believe the table goes against the consensus from that Request for Comment (RFC). Every reference in the table is a ]: a timetable, ], or a press release. ] are unavailable for most of the routes, like the ordinary flights from Las Vegas to hub cities. That means we're giving them ]. The consensus also mentions how tables without independent secondary sourcing go against certain parts of ]. We're not supposed to maintain a ] of the airport's current destinations or function as a ] that keeps track of every change to the list. Now, I definitely believe we should talk about the airport's current operations in the article. That's why I replaced the table with a summary of key details, like which airlines are based at the airport and what the top destinations are. ] (]) 03:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
:The table should be kept and the removal is inappropriate. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Busiest international route

Does anyone know what the busiest international routes from Las Vegas is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:68BB:65F0:C9BB:75D4:AD82:4F4F (talk) 00:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Cargo terminals

Does anyone have some information for the Cargo section?Vegaswikian

Pictures

Does anyone have airport pictures we can use?

  • Terminals
  • Welcome sign at D Gates
  • Murals at D Gates tram stop

Charter International Terminal?

OK, if this is a name also used for this terminal, why is it that so many people who work at the airport don't even know it? To almost everyone it is simply Terminal 2. That is how it is listed on just about every sign. It is infrequently called the international arrivals terminal or the international terminal. During construction it was sometimes listed as the Charter/International Terminal to indicate its purpose but not as a name for this. The Signature terminal is also probably better know as the charter terminal then terminal 2. So, it would be interesting to hear where that name is actually used.

Terminal 1 is frequently called the main terminal, but I don't think listing that as an alternate name is something that should be done. Vegaswikian 18:01, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to McCarran image copyvio?

I have started a discussion about the image's status on it's Talk page--N35w101 18:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup tag

I dropped this tag since the effort was being described as slash and burn apparently the standard airport terminal list of airlines, gates and destinations were deemed as as unsightly. Personally I think changes like that should be discussed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Airports because that is the format used for all large airports. Vegaswikian 18:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on with this "slash and burn", but the airline listing is unusual as I see it for at least two reasons. First, there are sections about museums, art and such after the airline info. In every other airport article I've seen the airline section is at the end, in front only of various links. Second, It seems very ususual to list charter airline services. Most airport pages list only scheduled service. I definitely agree that the list itself should be kept, however. Rdore 18:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
If it belongs at the end, then it should have been moved there and not just deleted completly from the article. Besides the scheduled services, McCarren is a major hub for sightseeing flights. Those can not be ignored. One common way to address items that tend to increase the the size of an article or to complicate the layout is to create a new article to split out that information. Is that a better solution here? If so, what should be moved out, all airlines that will be moving to the new Sloan airport/heliport? All sightseeing operations. Vegaswikian 20:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
As I said, I definitely don't support deleting airline information. However it seems to be much more of a mess, than on most airport articles. And its formatting is a mess. I'm also curious why gate info is listed - it's not available on most airports airports (just checked SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, ATL and didn't see it). It also seems hard to update and/or verify. And it clutters up the list, especially since most airlines don't seem to have continuous blocks of numbers. (I am in favor of maintianing by concourse info.) As far as charter information, I think it would be better to make a separate listing like there is with Anchorage. Any objections? Rdore 21:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The gate information was there when I arrived on wiki. So I don't know if there is any history behind it. If there are no objections I don't see a reason to keep it. Like you said, one less thing to keep updated. No problem converting to a series of heading for the different types of services. I would like to see what the Airports project has to say before making a major overhaul in that area. It would be nice to have a common guideline to use. Vegaswikian 22:52, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
With respect, I would object. I think gate information is useful and should be kept. Granted, some airports make this information obvious and readily available; others do not. Still, where available it's pertinent, albeit technical information, and appears at a variety of different airports besides this one, although such information does appar to be lacking from the big airports. Oh, and Hi, by the way, I'm Allstar86 and I've been creating and editing airport pages for a few weeks now. Allstar86 05:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


Apologies - when I dropped the terminal list, I wasn't aware that this was a standard inclusion in airport articles - it just struck me as being a particularly long section disturbing the flow of an article which was already too long. With this included at the end, with reduced to information, I think it's a fairy reasonable article now. TheMadBaron 07:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

  • The terminal section would be fine without the long list of destinations, which I feel is more suited to the individual airlines and airport websites. People who wish to know the desitations of specific carriers can already find this information in other places. dok 09:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
This is standard information on every airport page. If you really feel it should be removed, I'd like to see some discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports, rather than just making the changes here. Rdore 16:53, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
  • OK. The problem with McCarran is that it has flights to a lot of destinations and with many airlines. That results in several airlines flying to the same location with small planes, the only widebodies I'm aware of are a few 747 on the overseas flights. McCarran does not want to be a hub and it's layout does not support hib operations very well. McCarran and LAX are the two main airports with this problem. McCarran also is a major sightseeing flight hub and it may be the only airport in the top 20 busiest with this type of traffic. Throw in unique traffic like multiple flights a day to Area 51 and it makes for a lot of interesting information. If someone is going to cleanup the article then rewriting the bad areas is more appropiate then deleting everything. If you want to cleanup something in this article give the transportation section a shot. It needs real work. Vegaswikian 19:29, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Busy airports

I rolled back the change made by an anon for several reasons. 1, the offical numbers are not out. McCarran could be 9th or 10th based on the numbers for Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. 2, changing the date makes it look like the cargo numbers are from 2005 and they are not. 3, the figure in the article at the time of the change was an estimate and not the offical number. I'll add the one from their website shortly. Vegaswikian 19:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I did a similar revert today. Does anyone have access to the final 2005 data yet? Vegaswikian 00:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Runway length

There is a mix between the length in feet and meters. The length in meters should be under feet and vice versa. Did someone knows how to fix it? Chagai 19:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

good point, ill fix it 72.83.117.107Nweinthal

SkyValue

I reverted the SkyValue change since it is cleanly in the wrong place. I had moved it to a better place in the terminal listing, but someone apparently decided that it did not belong. Likewise it has already been documented what the source, which was a concern, is so we don't need that to be included in the list. If someone wants this added back in, see where I had moved it and created a correctly formated (I belive) entry. Put it back there or in a better place, like if you know what terninal they will actually be using. Vegaswikian 18:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

US Airways' Secondary Hub???

LAS is NOT a secondary hub for US Airways. The airline's current route map considers LAS as a US Airways' hub. Bucs2004 04:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

WiFi Zone

The paragraph about WiFi under history read like a press release. Which it was, McCarran is not a WiFi Zone, first your equipment has to be WiFi Alliance certified (which it is) but the airport has to list with the WiFi Alliance which it has not . I work at the airport, and know that none of the hallways have WiFi, or some do, it is very weak. Ben 21:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

To echo my comments on this - when I visited last year, I departed via the 'International Departures Terminal', and as of April 2006, there was *NO* wireless coverage in that building. 213.143.9.20 12:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

British Airways

British Airways does not fly to Las Vegas, they code share with American from Dallas.

CRF Access Control System

Unless a news agency talks about it, you may never know about unless you rent from one of those companies. It does exist.

Time to semiprotect this page?

We seems to be seeing a lot of vandalism and spam edits from anon and new accounts. Is it time to semi protect this page using the {{tl:pp-semi-vandalism}} template? Vegaswikian 19:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

AirTran Focus City

AirTran has a lot of future destinations from LAS. Could we call it a focus city?

Incidents

I returned the incidents header introduced by anon IP. It seems well-written and referenced. Binksternet (talk) 16:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

  • That may be, but the airline and airport project both have established guidelines for these. Basically if there was not loss of life or airframe lost the incident is too minor to list. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification. Binksternet (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Out Of Date Picture

The picture under Terminals, airlines and destinations is out of date. It doesn't show Manila and it shows London Stansted as a destination. The service to London Stansted was operated by MAXjet who went bankrupt in December 2007. Can anyone list it for speedy deletion? 71.193.162.77 (talk) 21:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

St. Louis

Check a flight status on aa.com and you'll see American Airlines offers one nonstop flight per day utilizing a Boeing 757 to STL. I tried explaining it in the article's "history" section but I accidentally typed one stop instead of one flight.ZHoover123 06:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZHoover123 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for explaining, but are you talking about Flight 1578? I can't find any other direct or nonstop flight on the schedule. AA 1578 has a stop in DFW, an AA hub, thus making it ineligible for listing per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. If you mean that one, it needs to be removed. HkCaGu (talk) 08:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
You know what, you're right...I double checked and it does stop in DFW. I'll remove it. ZHoover123 21:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Manchester (UK)

Please do not add Manchester (UK) as a destination for Virgin Atlantic Airways. They only offer nonstop service to London Gatwick. For reference, please visit: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/us/whereintheworld/routemap/index.jsp ZHoover123 01:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Did you read this? Vegaswikian (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok but US Airways is going to serve Tokyo from Phoenix in 2012. It's too far in advanced, we don't need to add it quite yet. ZHoover123 05:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the guideline to list if the date is announced and meets WP:RS? We even have an exact date the service is to begin. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:17, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok well when does it actually begin? If it begins within the dates the airline allows you to book a flight on it then yes, post it. But if it's not able to be booked on the airline's reservation books, then no not yet. ZHoover123 17:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
If the airline itself announced the route in their press release and the press release states that flights begin April 3, 2011 then I would list it. However, the year "2011" must be included since it is only "April 2010". Snoozlepet (talk) 20:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Snoozlepet is right. "2011" has to be in there with the start date. But what I'm trying to say is if that flight is unable to be booked because Virgin Atlantic Airways's reservation book hasn't been extended that far, don't post it yet. Wait until their reservation book allows you to make a reservation on the flight, then post it. ZHoover123 22:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I would at least wait till the Airline announces it themselves on their website as per the primary sources, which I am sure they will at some point. Whilst newspapers may be good secondary sources, they are not always accurate. Therefore I've removed it again. Sb617 (Talk) 12:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Sb517, that's what I've been trying to say. ZHoover123 13:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you...I just said that! Wait until the airline announces it. Snoozlepet (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Well this includes the reported actual announcement by the airline. Other sources include Crain's, Opodo, Travel Agent Central which includes when ticket sales will begin and Virgin itself. So it is clear that these flights are planned and when the official start is and when ticket sales will begin. So exactly what facts are in dispute? Does anyone do research? Vegaswikian (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Had a look through the Virgin Atlantic websites, no press releases anywhere, the usual timetable providers such as Travelocity (for example) does not have the flights loaded in the GDS, nor can I book it yet. It's just like Delta saying Paris-CDG is a hub (according to their website), when in technical terms, CDG is not a Delta hub. Sb617 (Talk) 02:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
It's appeared on the GDS now, so seems this dispute has since been dated. Sb617 (Talk) 06:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
And it is also announced by Virgin Atlantic itself here: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/allaboutus/pressoffice/pressreleases/news/vegas.jsp. Snoozlepet (talk) 23:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

AirTran - Indianapolis

Can someone tell me. Does AirTran's service to Indianapolis end on April 11, 2010 or 2011? According to their route map: , it is still in operation, but I'm not quite sure. ZHoover123 21:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it ended yesterday, as no more TRS flight plans have been filed since then as displayed on FlightAware. HkCaGu (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Links to old airline schedules-- wrong for Misplaced Pages?

I added links to lists of old airline schedules at LAS

(Airline schedules in 1956 and 1962).

Somebody removed them. Think they belong here? Tim Zukas (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

If there is to be a section on the history of the airport, a few lists of who scheduled flights to where on a random sample of dates seems like a useful addition to that history. Tim Zukas (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Former routes and destinations had been deemed unencyclopedic for airport articles. If you want to write about history, write it in prose (not table or template), fuse it with other contents, and cite your sources as references, not external links. HkCaGu (talk) 16:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Present routes (routes current at the time of writing) have been deemed encyclopedic? Tim Zukas (talk) 20:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Please refer to WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. HkCaGu (talk) 02:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian Airlines and T3

Does anyone know for sure when Hawaiian Airlines is moving from T2. I have seen it in print that T2 will close when T3 opens. If so, Hawaiian Airlines needs to be moved in June. I'm pretty sure that the TSA will not be keeping the checkpoint open for one airline, but you never know. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Terminal 3

The FAA Airport Diagram doesn't show Terminal 3. This is a scattershot article that essentially gives no practical information since the opening of Terminal 3 in June 2012. Dangnad (talk) 19:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Eurowings

Why do you guys keep removing eurowings from the Las Vegas airport? I never heard of them cancelling flights, just delayed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:68BB:65F0:29F4:7B01:611D:7D19 (talk) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

According to this link, the flight has been indefinitely postponed. We can't relist it until a set start date is announced again. - ✈Sunnya343✈ (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:McCarran International Airport/GA1

Controller Incapacitated Incident 07 Nov 2018

Does anybody think the Accidents and incidents section should include the 07 Nov 2018 incident in which the midnight shift female controller became incapacitated resulting in slurred and erroneous instructions to multiple aircraft on the ground and on approach? YouTube LiveATC and KNTV article (and much more available) Titaniumlegs (talk) 06:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

McCarran Intl Airport (LAS) Passenger traffic for 2019; referencing

Hello and good day. Can someone reference (source) the 2019 data I entered in Statistics:Passenger traffic for 2019. Obtained data from LAS website. Greatly appreciated. Have a good day.2601:581:8000:BDC0:CC36:DAE5:9827:50B6 (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Official FAA Name Change / Article Name Change

As of the 17th of June the FAA will have officially changed the name of the airport to Harry Reid International. This article needs to be updated to reflect this, I am not comfortable doing so as this is a new account. Las Vegas Sun and Official FAA Charts Wolfinmen42 (talk) 21:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I've updated the article to note that the FAA has made changes to their aviation charts to reflect the new name. However, the FAA itself doesn't control renaming the airport. According to the reference I've added to the paragraph, the Clark County Commission is expected to do the official renaming by the end of the summer. The name of the article should be left as McCarran International Airport until then. JRHorse (talk) 12:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Name Change talking points

Earlier this week I moved the article to Harry Reid International Airport. I made other changes to reflect the name change. Thanks to the other users who helped. That is very much appreciated. I go through this airport a lot so I figured I could help. At the top of the article I moved some things around and I do have the former names mentioned. I feel that for now its perfectly reasonable having those former names mentioned within the first few paragraphs as many people have not gotten used to the name change yet. That of course takes time. I feel that perhaps after a year, the McCarran name can be moved further into the actually history section of the article. At some point everyone will be used to the name change. Prior to the name change there was also a logo which was included in the info-box for the airport. I imagine a new logo will be available soon that can be included. Anyway these are the talking points I wanted to mention. Have a pleasant weekend. --IndustryPlantCooper (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Potential Edit Warring Over Airport's Namesake?

Some time ago, IndustryPlantCooper had been retroactively reverting all mentions of this airport's previous namesake to its current namesake on parts of this article pertaining to events taking place before last December's name change. This would constitute an anachromism. It is based on the fact that this airport's previous namesake was a racist and an anti-Semite. Wouldn't IndustryPlantCooper changing those historical references back to the current namesake go against the NPoV policy, too? I have been using the terms "then-McCarran" or "now-Harry Reid" to avoid edit wars when a better solution to a problem like this couldn't be found. Jim856796 (talk) 05:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Potential section about popular culture?

In Fallout: New Vegas McCarran airport is a major military base for one of the game's factions. Should a section with popular culture mentions be added listing this fact? Sealboyer (talk) 10:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Stop Removing the Airlines and Destinations List

There is no consensus to remove this list and replace it with an Operations section and has been disruptive to this page. Giving a reason for your edits does not justify removing the list of Airlines and Destinations. Jakemhurst (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning this. Came to the page yesterday and was so thrown off but not very savvy with editing pages and didn't want to make it worse. Not sure why that person keeps wanting to change a section that is literally in every airport Wiki page. Ericm2031 (talk) 05:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Ericm2031: I originally commented on Jake's talk page, but I will move my comment here:

Hi Jake, in one of my previous edit summaries I wrote, "Removed the tables per the consensus here. There is a lack of independent, secondary sources supporting the lists, and they go against WP:NOTDB and WP:NOTNEWS. I included a summary of the airport's air service instead." Sunnya343 (talk) 18:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I also previously discussed my edit with VenFlyer98 here. Sunnya343 (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

For ease of reference, I will also explain here why I believe the table goes against the consensus from that Request for Comment (RFC). Every reference in the table is a primary source: a timetable, WP:PRIMARYNEWS, or a press release. Secondary sources are unavailable for most of the routes, like the ordinary flights from Las Vegas to hub cities. That means we're giving them undue weight. The consensus also mentions how tables without independent secondary sourcing go against certain parts of WP:NOT. We're not supposed to maintain a database of the airport's current destinations or function as a news service that keeps track of every change to the list. Now, I definitely believe we should talk about the airport's current operations in the article. That's why I replaced the table with a summary of key details, like which airlines are based at the airport and what the top destinations are. Sunnya343 (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The table should be kept and the removal is inappropriate. Reywas92 21:12, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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