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Help interpreting a Ukrainian-language source with a linked document in Russian

Could someone here look at the source https://hromadske.ua/posts/putin-gotuyetsya-zaluchiti-do-vijni-proti-ukrayini-nepovnolitnih-rozvidka now used in Young Army Cadets National Movement about which text better reflects the source?

"Nevertheless, 6 years later, during Russian invasion of Ukraine, the same Minister of Defense commissioned reports on the possibility of recruiting 17-year old Yunarmy youth for the war effort." (The minister in question being Sergei Shoigu.)

Or

"During Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukrainan Intelligence published an order by the Minister of Defence, which orders evaluation of potential use of Yunarmiya members during SMO after their conscription into the Russian Armed forces." Sjö (talk) 05:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

The second option is more accurate. The order says clearly that what needs to be evaluated is their involvement in the "special military operation" after they are drafted ("после их призыва на военную службу в ходе весеннего и летнего призывов 2022 года"). So the point is that it applies to the guys who were 17 at the time this order is published but who would be 18 and thus eligible for the summer draft. Draftees are not supposed to be sent to the war in Ukraine, so the order (if it's real) is about making an exception for draftees belonging to Young Army Cadets National Movement.

This order was purportedly made in February 2022 and published on the GUR's facebook page in March 2022. More than a year has passed since then and if this actually happened, we would know it from reliable sources. If all we have is a facebook post and an article in Hromadske from early 2022, I would re-word it

Alaexis_¿question? 08:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Of course, the order itself is a primary source and it's better to use secondary sources that interpret primary sources. However in this case the secondary source (Hromadske) basically copied the post by the Ukrainian Military Intelligence service (), which is a primary source, so no interpretation was performed and I think that we should simply attribute the news as I suggested earlier. Alaexis_¿question? 11:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I have changed the text to your suggestion. Maybe a bit of SYNTH to pur that sentence after the one before, but the text is absolutely more neutral. Sjö (talk) 07:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Telmanove#Requested move 5 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Telmanove#Requested move 5 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Konstantyn H. Kulyk

I've created an article for the former Ukainian prosecutor Konstantyn H. Kulyk. There seem to be a lot of different spellings for his name, in Ukrainian, Russian and English. Could someone familiar with these languages take a look and check that I've got the right versions of these names? — The Anome (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Nashi political party's page has missing sources.

The sources for these two claims are incorrect. The sources attached have nothing to do about supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

"The party has a pro-Russian stance. It supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022."

All 3 attached sources are from before 2020. 2601:5CF:4181:48B0:AD:AD6E:31CB:9D7B (talk) 04:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Removed the 2nd sentence, see Nashi (political party). Rsk6400 (talk) 07:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Dovzhansk Raion into Sverdlovsk Raion

There is a merge proposal ongoing at Talk:Sverdlovsk Raion#Proposed merge of Dovzhansk Raion into Sverdlovsk Raion that may interest editors of this WikiProject. HappyWith (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Has the classification "Rural Settlements" been abolished along with "Urban-type Settlements"?

I just learned that Ukraine has recently overhauled their settlement classification scheme, but I can't seem to figure out whether they abolished the classification of "Rural-type Settlement". I've translated a few settlement articles and would like to update them if the classification no longer exists. Also, if they have abolished it, do rural settlements immediately become villages (selos) in January when the law takes effect? Physeters 05:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know where to post this question, so I apologize if this is the wrong place. Physeters 05:58, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

You would naturally assume that, but it seems that the new law simply ignored the existence of rural-type settlements, since there are very few of them. Legally, they were never called "rural-type", they were called simply "settlements" and generally were smaller than "villages". Only "urban-type settlements" always used an adjective in the name. So it seems that the new law did not affect the rural-type settlements and they would stay as "settlements" even though we basically have a corrupted hierarchy now: city > settlement > village > settlement. Maybe, it will get fixed eventually, or maybe not. Kammerer55 (talk) 06:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The most sure way to check the status of any settlement would be to check with the official classifier which is a huge excel file listing all administrative units and their types. However, it has not been yet updated since the new law took an effect, so we would need to wait for the update and then see how the ministry deals with this inconsistency. Kammerer55 (talk) 06:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! I'll have to check in on the spreadsheet in January. Physeters 06:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Igor Bondar (of the 2020s)

Igor Bondar (writer),
Igor Bondar (poet).
Hi! As of December 2023, works (or at least "columnist work") are coming out of Kharkiv from Bondar.--In Ukraine, is he considered a poet, first and foremost, or rather a writer?--He seems to be sort of a correspondent (from Kharkiv) in a mid-size newspaper in my country, because his newspaper column gets printed a few times every month.--Trying to find in-depth sources is problematic, in part because there was an Ukrainian journalist (uk.wikipedia.org/Ігор_Бондар) Igor Bondar, that was murdered in Odessa in 1999.--Thoughts on how to find sources about the writer/poet and his works?--His work printed in my country (and largely in one newspaper), might barely contribute to possible wiki-notability; however, it is all other stuff that might decide possible wiki-notability. 2001:2020:319:E17D:699C:9BC6:1933:8A02 (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

You mentioned "my country". Is it Ukraine or other country? Google search in Ukrainian finds poet Igor/Ihor Bondar-Tereshchenko from Kharkiv (uk:Ігор Бондар-Терещенко). Is that the one? Kammerer55 (talk) 05:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Outstanding! I will link the article when I expect to have it done in a few weeks.--(As columnist, his "Brev fra krigen" column, is signed by Igor Bondar, although the articles are translated by a local translator.)--I will use the title Igor ..., unless a talk page advises that Ihor ... is how his name should be in English. (Wikidata does not give any clue yet, it seems.)--Thanks a lot! 2001:2020:319:E17D:79B1:ADF4:4412:FC66 (talk) 02:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge discussion at Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Merge_discussion

There is a requested merge discussion at Talk:Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Merge_discussion that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dan the Animator 22:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Titles of articles on Ukrainian povits/uezds

I intend to clean up the titles of articles and categories on historical povits (a.k.a. uezds or counties) in Ukraine. This system of subdividing the gubernia (a.k.a. huberniia) was established in the Russian empire (Governorate (Russia)), and then inherited by the Ukrainian People’s Republic and Soviet Ukraine (Administrative divisions of Ukraine (1918–1925)).

The spellings and names are not consistent. There’s no advice in WP:UAPLACE and I can’t find any corresponding guideline for Russian-empire or Soviet place names. A number of these have been moved without discussion to a different pattern (e.g., Bakhmutsky Uyezd was moved to Bakhmut uezd).

I intend to rename all of these to use consistent spelling with the main article uezd, for example Konotopsky Uyezd → Konotopsky Uezd. This is not controversial and I will proceed without waiting for comments (but feel free).

I am also considering the following questions:

1. Do we keep the prevailing capitalization Konotopsky Uezd, or switch to lowercased Konotopsky uezd?
2. Do we keep the prevailing native adjectival proper name, like Konotopsky Uezd, or switch to an anglicized version like Konotop Uezd (after the city of Konotop)?
3. Were any of these established in Ukraine after 1917 and should therefore be renamed, e.g., Konotopsky Uyezd → Konotopskyi Povit/Konotopskyi povit?

Any other concerns? Please comment. —Michael Z. 16:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It makes sense to use "uezd" for consistency with the main article name. Regarding the questions:

1. This probably should be governed by some general English rule. I see that American counties always use the capitalized versions: "Albany County", "Los Angeles County" (also "New York State"). Is it the same in other English-speaking countries?

2. I would prefer Konotopsky Uezd because it's closer to the original name. Otherwise, you actually need to do some original research to identify the center and to transform the name accordingly. And what to do when it's not named after the center, like Dneprovsky Uyezd? (Also, Ushitsa uezd is named after part of the name "Novaya Ushitsa".) Similar examples for other units, like Podolia Governorate and Taurida Governorate frankly sound a bit unnatural to me as a Ukrainian/Russian speaker, and require some extra-thinking to understand what the topic is about.

3. During Russian Empire times the divisions were very stable, but a lot of changes (incl. creations of new units and deletions of old ones) were happening after 1917. I guess most of uezds listed below were created in Russian Empire times, so probably the Russian name uezd can be used: 1) for consistency with all other imperial units existing back then, 2) because in all official documents of that time it would be written in Russian (since Ukrainian language was either prohibited or suppressed during that time), 3) since it would be hard to distinguish Ukrainian from non-Ukrainian units, since Ukraine did not have well-defined boundaries back then. However, if some unit was created in Ukrainian SSR or one of Ukrainian states (after 1917), then probably the term "povit" might be a better fit, since that's how it would appear in many documents (including most of modern historical research focused on post-1917 Ukraine) and it would be clear that the unit indeed belonged to Ukraine. For older Russian Empire units which continued existence in Ukrainian SSR, the redirection from povit to uezd can be also used. Kammerer55 (talk) 04:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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