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:: I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. ] 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) | :: I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. ] 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
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LGBT Rights sub-section sourcing is problematic.
So after responding to @Nlivataye's talk page post above. I reviewed the article for any potential WP:UNDUE material. After taking a look at the sub-section " LGBT Rights" (Under section "Political Views"), the sub-section contains a few WP:MREL and WP:GUNREL sourcing citations. We have Mic.com which isn't on the WP:RSP, but it was singularly sourced in the first sentence about banning transitioning individuals from joining the military. The next sentence about Disney is sourced by Forbes Contributor which is classified as generally unreliable on RSP, as well as a marginally reliable HuffPo Political piece. (Which if we remove the gunrel Forbes piece will be a single sourced mrel piece). We also have a sentence singularly cited with a gunrel YouTube url. I have no issue with leaving the WP:GREL cited material. But the other content only cited by gunrel and mrel need to be removed. Eruditess (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Totally agree. Inconsistent sourcing makes all sourcing seem unreliable Superpig05 (talk) 16:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. Black Kite (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- yeah there was a source that claimed she supported same sex marriage but I couldn't find anything of her stating that. What she claims indicates otherwise 2600:8801:FB13:6B00:A871:9DED:7D14:72EA (talk) 02:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've fixed those cites by adding others. Owens' own Twitter comment about Disney is still there for everyone to see. I'm not too bothered about the military issue, that could probably be removed as it's not that important - Owens has attacked far more LGBT targets. Black Kite (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The Honorable
Reading from The Honourable article we find "In the United Kingdom, all sons and daughters of viscounts and barons (including the holders of life peerages) and the younger sons of earls are styled with this prefix." As the child of a Lord, this means George Farmer is styled this way. And given a wife shares the title of her husband this means Candace Owens is in fact The Honorable Candace Owens. So do stop deleting this correct form of address. Llevenius (talk) 19:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Does this comply with MOS ? Also, is there a reference for this that describes her title? If not it should probably be left off. Springee (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Owens is styled The Honarable here, here, and here. She can also be found using the style herself here. Llevenius (talk) 21:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- In those sources the title appears to apply when used to the couple rather than as an individual. I think it's an interesting fact and could be included in the part about her marriage. I'm not sure it should be applied as you are trying but I will let others weigh in. Springee (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- This matter should not really be an issue of any sort. She (Candace) is the wife of the son of a baron in the UK. She is automatically styled with the honorific Honorable. Her marriage to George Farmer (which is very well reported to have actually indeed occurred on 31 August 2019) is the proof that she is entitled to this honorific. The fact that she is entitled to this honorific is not (or should not be) debatable. The only real question is where in a biographical article should her designated honorific be used. It is this latter question that is a matter for the WP:MOS. Regardless of anything else, WP person info-boxes have provision for specifying the honorific of its subject. At the very least, one would expect that her honorific be specified within the info-box. If someone thinks that the honorific should not be specified inside the info-box, then that discussion should be taken up by the experts of that particular info-box (the person info-box in the present case) and otherwise would be a separate question than anything to do with Candace. If the info-box developers (experts) made provision for an honorific (which they have done up until the present time), then that should be honored and used until the info-box itself removes that provision. If someone feels that provision for an honorific within the person info-box should be removed, you should take your case to the talk page of the info-box in question; namely, Template talk:Infobox person --L.Smithfield (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The Honorable, as used in the context of Brittish nobility, can be found in the infoboxes of, to name a few examples; John Byron, Robert Boyle, Anthony Berry, Nigella Lawson, and Gwyneth Dunwoody. So I find no reason why the same would not apply to Owens. Maybe it would be appropriate to add a sentence in Personal life to clarify that she is entitled to the style following her marriage. Llevenius (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- "The Honourable" is used for a large amount of reasons, not just nobility (many of those you've mentioned above are not nobility). However it would only apply to Owens in the sense that she is the wife of a son of a baron, and therefore she would be styled The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer not The Hon. Candace Owens (or Candace Farmer). Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- That was what I was thinking/wondering about. I don't see an issue mentioning that in the article as the provided Yahoo news source does support that, as a couple, they have that title. It doesn't in my reading support that the title would independently apply to her. Springee (talk) 12:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I took the section out but would have no objection to it being put back with a more accurate reading of what her title actually is. Obviously, as a couple, The Hon. George and Candace Farmer is correct as well. I think the Yahoo source just puts it clumsily. Black Kite (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have never in my life before heard of a couple title. Owens is to be styled The Honorable, irregardless of what follows be it Candace Owens or Mrs Geroge Farmer. Llevenius (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't say it was a couple title, I was pointing out how the "Honourable" should be written when it refers to the couple (i.e. not The Hon. George and Hon. Candace Farmer). And Owens is always The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer if you're going to use the honorific, not her own name (as her honorific only stems from her marriage). Black Kite (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I know I'm correct, but I'll stop arguing because I can't be bothered anymore. Llevenius (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think it is an interesting fact, I wouldnt mind a small section mentioning it as more trivia. However, if we can't verify that this is correct with WP:RS I think it lacks notability and would unfortunately fall under WP:OR. MaximusEditor (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I know I'm correct, but I'll stop arguing because I can't be bothered anymore. Llevenius (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't say it was a couple title, I was pointing out how the "Honourable" should be written when it refers to the couple (i.e. not The Hon. George and Hon. Candace Farmer). And Owens is always The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer if you're going to use the honorific, not her own name (as her honorific only stems from her marriage). Black Kite (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have never in my life before heard of a couple title. Owens is to be styled The Honorable, irregardless of what follows be it Candace Owens or Mrs Geroge Farmer. Llevenius (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I took the section out but would have no objection to it being put back with a more accurate reading of what her title actually is. Obviously, as a couple, The Hon. George and Candace Farmer is correct as well. I think the Yahoo source just puts it clumsily. Black Kite (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- That was what I was thinking/wondering about. I don't see an issue mentioning that in the article as the provided Yahoo news source does support that, as a couple, they have that title. It doesn't in my reading support that the title would independently apply to her. Springee (talk) 12:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- "The Honourable" is used for a large amount of reasons, not just nobility (many of those you've mentioned above are not nobility). However it would only apply to Owens in the sense that she is the wife of a son of a baron, and therefore she would be styled The Hon. Mrs. George Farmer not The Hon. Candace Owens (or Candace Farmer). Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The Honorable, as used in the context of Brittish nobility, can be found in the infoboxes of, to name a few examples; John Byron, Robert Boyle, Anthony Berry, Nigella Lawson, and Gwyneth Dunwoody. So I find no reason why the same would not apply to Owens. Maybe it would be appropriate to add a sentence in Personal life to clarify that she is entitled to the style following her marriage. Llevenius (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- This matter should not really be an issue of any sort. She (Candace) is the wife of the son of a baron in the UK. She is automatically styled with the honorific Honorable. Her marriage to George Farmer (which is very well reported to have actually indeed occurred on 31 August 2019) is the proof that she is entitled to this honorific. The fact that she is entitled to this honorific is not (or should not be) debatable. The only real question is where in a biographical article should her designated honorific be used. It is this latter question that is a matter for the WP:MOS. Regardless of anything else, WP person info-boxes have provision for specifying the honorific of its subject. At the very least, one would expect that her honorific be specified within the info-box. If someone thinks that the honorific should not be specified inside the info-box, then that discussion should be taken up by the experts of that particular info-box (the person info-box in the present case) and otherwise would be a separate question than anything to do with Candace. If the info-box developers (experts) made provision for an honorific (which they have done up until the present time), then that should be honored and used until the info-box itself removes that provision. If someone feels that provision for an honorific within the person info-box should be removed, you should take your case to the talk page of the info-box in question; namely, Template talk:Infobox person --L.Smithfield (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- In those sources the title appears to apply when used to the couple rather than as an individual. I think it's an interesting fact and could be included in the part about her marriage. I'm not sure it should be applied as you are trying but I will let others weigh in. Springee (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Owens is styled The Honarable here, here, and here. She can also be found using the style herself here. Llevenius (talk) 21:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Education in infobox
This parameter shouldn't be used for non-graduates, per https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Infobox_person/doc "It is usually not relevant to include either parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise"
Unless there has been a consensus somewhere that i haven't seen --FMSky (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- In this case I would say that it's very relevant to her career as a journalist, especially since it's discussed further along in the article. I'd like to hear what others have to say. –dlthewave ☎ 18:42, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- I would leave it out. My general feeling is this is a line for information about secondary degrees. As an example, is notable for not having graduated high school yet was a big proponent of education later in life. His bio box doesn't have an education line. Springee (talk) 19:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Leave it out it's not important. Iamreallygoodatcheckers 23:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Impertinent. Actually the article as a whole has potential but is a conglomerate of negativity. I'd wager several other articles in the political sphere written and slanted like this would have been rewritten many a moon ago--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Basically every article of BLPs who lean towards the right of the political spectrum is like this. Its a major problem on the eng wiki --FMSky (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Impertinent. Actually the article as a whole has potential but is a conglomerate of negativity. I'd wager several other articles in the political sphere written and slanted like this would have been rewritten many a moon ago--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Unclear sentence in the lede of the article
The unclear sentence is as follows: "During the 2023 Israel-Hamas War, she criticized the Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and accused the nation of "genocide" against the Palestinian people." The unclear part is "accused the nation" without giving any clue which nation the author of the sentence meant. There is no clear indication before or after. I don't want to correct the sentence not knowing what the author meant. 24.225.161.193 (talk) 03:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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